Spread for Dealing With Unconscious People....

[Eric13]

I actually have three questions about spreads I would like to pose for the forum over the next three days, so stay tuned.

 

There are those in life who walk among us, I or you may meet who "think they know it all" or are visibly unconscious souls. Obviously thinking their way is the only way, never open to learning something new, when they encounter something they don't know, instead of taking the time to ask a question, do some research, they make up their own mind to stay ignorant. Or here's the great one, they assume something about you, it's all wrong, you correct them, and they get angry with you. I love that one. Their mind is closed and not ever open to things esoteric or different.

So, my question to the fine folks here is, what kind of a spread would you use to deal with them, lets say if a sitter came to you about this question? 

It could be three cards, or four, more or less. And who here would have the right kind of questions representing each card?

I've been thinking about this myself, but can't really come up with anything at this time. So I would love to hear what readers here would do.

Thanks. 

[Guest Night Shade]

Hi @Joe.  I don't know if this spread is quite what you're looking for, but it may help you deal with the type of people you're describing.

 

1. The matter in question from your perspective

2. The matter in question from the other person's perspective.

3. What you really want them to understand.

4. What you need to understand about the other person's point of view.

5. What's blocking your message from getting through to them.

6. How to express your message so it penetrates their defenses.

7. How to deal with any animosity you may face from them.

8. How to move forward if they still refuse to listen to you.

 

I hope this helps you. 

[Eric13]

Thanks guest!

Thats all very interesting, I'll give a try tonight and see how it works. Thank you.

[Eric13]

I saw it before, this morning. I thought it was funny to see guest. Hey, just adds to the mystery of being Night Shade!

[Purplemystic]

I'll give this one a go. Looks interesting. ☺

[Eric13]

Nice this thread was brought back into consciousness! @Purplemystic, let us know how it goes.

[Symph]

I really don't know, do you mean a spread to help YOU to deal with them, or a spread to help THEM see that they are blocking themselves from receiving wisdom?  If it's a spread for yourself I'd probably do something like 

 

1.  The Issue

2.  What I can do about it

3.  My limitations in the situation.

4.  What I am unaware of

5.  What they are unaware of

6.  Best course of action

 

Or something like that I was just thinking fast.  

[gregory]

Is it any of our business to try and "get them to accept wisdom" ? This feels a bit like the JWs who come to your door to help you see the light - and stop giving blood. Who says it is an issue at all ?

 

So - I would leave them be. They are their own people as we are our own people. I will read for people who want to be read for..

[FindYourSovereignty]

49 minutes ago, gregory said:

Is it any of our business to try and "get them to accept wisdom" ? This feels a bit like the JWs who come to your door to help you see the light - and stop giving blood. Who says it is an issue at all ?

 

So - I would leave them be. They are their own people as we are our own people. I will read for people who want to be read for..

Yes, this is what I was thinking also. It is their journey.

[geoxena]

I'd say it smacks of being an act of self-aggrandizement to judge others as being "unconscious" because they act like "know-it-alls," "never" want to learn something new (seriously?), make assumptions about you, and avoid anything "esoteric."  Surely, we all have times when we're unconscious, but I've found that trying to "get someone to understand" me, or some particular issue, is generally a futile exercise.  We can't control if or how anyone understands anything.  We can't make someone listen to us.  We can't make them "receive wisdom" (from where?  Are there only certain approved and acceptable sources?). And, a lot of the time, what one person might perceive in another as evidence of their being unconscious might not be that at all.  A person can be conscious and have knowledge of something and reject it as not for them, and that is their right to do so.  Suffice it to say that looking to change someone else to what we think would be better (for whom?) is never the way to go; compassion and empathy could be much more satisfying.

[Guest]

I was that person ( the unconscious one) when my best friend, in our twenties, tried to convince me astrology was real. I was then an Objectivist, still am I think and anything that wasn’t provable in a western, scientific method way fell into the insanity catagory. I did end up studying it so I could save him and ended up having my own world irrevocably changed. I was a real truth seeker since childhood and didn’t like ignorance in any form so not quite the same. I know it has taken most of my life to accept what the scientific studies all seem to say-that the harder you try to convince someone the more they dig in and defend their position. The idea of empathy is s great suggestion. We hold our views to feel safe most of time. The reading could help the querent in their own reaction to the situation though. 

[Barleywine]

If your only goal is to understand the person and not to "redeem" them, I have a psychological spread that might work for you; it's primarily Jungian. I'm not big on psychological profiling (aka "mind-reading") with the tarot in general or Jung in particular, so take it for what it's worth. I wouldn't be surprised if you wind up with one of the two PoMo narcissist cards as the "Grand Quint." 🙂

Edited June 28, 2020 by Barleywine