Astral travel tips?

[devin]

I recently came across this detailed (and free) guide to lucid dreaming and out of body experiences. It's written by a medical researcher / scientist (neuro scientist, if I remember correctly).

 

http://www.dondeg.com/metaphysics/do_obe.pdf

[Nivian]

I have been an astral traveller since I was a very young child. In the astral, thoughts equal action. I can fly through buildings; even seeing the bricks, mortar, glass, metal. I have had intense spiritual experiences while in the astral. I have helped Jesus rid a building of drug dealers and protect the children while in it. I have reonnected a child who died in a car wreck with her parents who wanted to only say goodbye to her. It was an incredible moment floating in the top of a cathedral with all of is in a circle holding hands. There is nothing unnatural about the astral. It is part of being human. If a religion looks down on it that is due to ignorance and fear. There is no way to break the cord either. When its time to come back you will gently glide back, cord and all, into your body.

 

As how to make it happen. I don't know. I do it spontaneously. Sometimes it happens more frequently when I am exhausted or stressed. It is freeing. I remember who I am. A soul not a body. I'm not from this planet but Im here for certain reasons like we all are. It is my gift. Tarot reading not so much LOL. But I love tarot for the art. I'm more of a collector.

[MysticZn]

So how do you see during an astral trip?

We see through our eyes which are on our bodies.

So when leaving your body, you would have no eyes.

[Cookie]

Golden Dawn member Israel Regardie in his book The Tree of Life & also Dion Fortune tells us that we feel pain through our astral selves (both physical & emotional pain ) that is why an anaesthetics work where we are awake but feel no pain.  It is why people feel so strange when given a lot of anesthetic, like the feeling of being there but not, a lot of people will tell you it's like being in a "different world".

 

A few years ago my hometown had a ketamine epidemic (i thought it was a hallucinogenic but it is an anesthetic).  I tried it a few times and i every time i had out of body experiences.  It was very very strange.  To be on the astral plain you have to be extremely careful and know what you are doing as it is possible to get possessed ... there are some very strange entities and powerful manifestations there as you prob well know.

 

Luckily the drug became scarce & rocketed in price, but i swear a few of my more vulnerable friends have come under some kind of possession. (It's rarely like the Exorcist ) They have become obsessive, delusional, very pale and thin and rarely go out.  these are all possession red flags.  I used to think that it was just the after effects of the drug (it may well be), but after reading about it i think they are possessed...as crazy as that may seem.

 

I'm not advocating ketamine btw.  It is an extremely dangerous & powerful drug not only from what i've said above, but it leaves you physically helpless and very vulnerable.  Learn to astral project through the proper system of astral light visualization, if you are not ready or spiritually or mentally vulnerable then you will not be able to do it.   

 

             

[sandrang123]

I still "see", in the sense that I perceive things, though it's true I've never looked in a mirror to see what *I* look like in these states. So you raise an interesting point.

 

That said, transport is so different. I just think something and I'm there. An example is when I was young, out of body, and just thought of my mother then was in her room. Same thing with being in space. I just think it and it's like I zoom up into that space.

 

The other thing that is often different is speech. And here I'm lumping astral travel in with a few other things that happen to me. So when someone comes through to me in this state, they just communicate without necessarily talking. When Brenda's grandson, who I never met, came through, it simply was communicated to me that he belonged to her. And his message was communicated without him speaking. That said, I very clearly saw him there, too, and could describe him, in a "physical" sense, as well as his energy while on earth (and in the afterlife, it seemed to me, too).

 

 

So how do you see during an astral trip?

We see through our eyes which are on our bodies.

So when leaving your body, you would have no eyes.

[Guest swedishfish]

Golden Dawn member Israel Regardie in his book The Tree of Life & also Dion Fortune tells us that we feel pain through our astral selves (both physical & emotional pain ) that is why an anaesthetics work where we are awake but feel no pain.  It is why people feel so strange when given a lot of anesthetic, like the feeling of being there but not, a lot of people will tell you it's like being in a "different world".

 

A few years ago my hometown had a ketamine epidemic (i thought it was a hallucinogenic but it is an anesthetic).  I tried it a few times and i every time i had out of body experiences.  It was very very strange.  To be on the astral plain you have to be extremely careful and know what you are doing as it is possible to get possessed ... there are some very strange entities and powerful manifestations there as you prob well know.

 

Luckily the drug became scarce & rocketed in price, but i swear a few of my more vulnerable friends have come under some kind of possession. (It's rarely like the Exorcist ) They have become obsessive, delusional, very pale and thin and rarely go out.  these are all possession red flags.  I used to think that it was just the after effects of the drug (it may well be), but after reading about it i think they are possessed...as crazy as that may seem.

 

I'm not advocating ketamine btw.  It is an extremely dangerous & powerful drug not only from what i've said above, but it leaves you physically helpless and very vulnerable.  Learn to astral project through the proper system of astral light visualization, if you are not ready or spiritually or mentally vulnerable then you will not be able to do it.   

 

           

 

ketamine is a horse tranquilizer and what you are describing sounds scientifically like drug-induced hallucination and delusion. the symptoms you describe sound like those exhibited by drug addicts, not by those demonically possessed, although if that's what you believe so be it.

 

demonic possession is indicated by: extreme strength; omniscience expressed as speaking foreign languages of which the possessed has no knowledge and knowledge of distant or hidden things or events; aversion to the holy and sacred. all of these things occur together. there is also demonic oppression which can precede possession. during this time a person is driven to such weakness that they become vulnerable to possession. your friends could fall into this but it's unlikely as simple addiction isn't indicative. rather than being oppressed, which impacts every facet of life, there are those who just can't control their own urges or actions albeit they aren't under "energetic" assault.

[sandrang123]

I don't do any illegal drugs and have only been on prescription meds a few times throughout my life...one to use as needed when I fly, and one after a surgery I had. I also take a beta blocker (as needed) when I have to give readings in public. It slows down my heartbeat a little and keeps me from sounding nervous (it affects the body, not the brain). That's it.

 

I will say the one time I was on prescription meds (pain killers) for the period of about 3 days (after surgery in 2017) I had no experiences whatsoever. And before I went "under", I was so worried I'd have some strange experience I even told the nurses and my anesthesiologist! But: nothing when I was under at all. Probably the best "rest" period I've ever had in my life, all things considered. It was a total downtime, for 6 1/2 hrs.

 

Also, though I've encountered a whole lot of things that don't necessarily look "human", I've never experienced "dark" or "demonic" energies. I'm not sure if that's my belief system at play or what, or if I have guides who protect me. I guess what I'm saying here is this: I agree that people should use caution, because the truth is this has happened to me since I was a kid, and I don't know WHY or WHEN or HOW it happens. But that said, it does, and I've never felt personally under threat when it does.

 

Again: I can only speak from my own experiences, so this is not in any way to detract from others' experiences. We are all different and who knows, maybe I've just been super lucky. That is possible, too!

 

Golden Dawn member Israel Regardie in his book The Tree of Life & also Dion Fortune tells us that we feel pain through our astral selves (both physical & emotional pain ) that is why an anaesthetics work where we are awake but feel no pain.  It is why people feel so strange when given a lot of anesthetic, like the feeling of being there but not, a lot of people will tell you it's like being in a "different world".

 

A few years ago my hometown had a ketamine epidemic (i thought it was a hallucinogenic but it is an anesthetic).  I tried it a few times and i every time i had out of body experiences.  It was very very strange.  To be on the astral plain you have to be extremely careful and know what you are doing as it is possible to get possessed ... there are some very strange entities and powerful manifestations there as you prob well know.

 

Luckily the drug became scarce & rocketed in price, but i swear a few of my more vulnerable friends have come under some kind of possession. (It's rarely like the Exorcist ) They have become obsessive, delusional, very pale and thin and rarely go out.  these are all possession red flags.  I used to think that it was just the after effects of the drug (it may well be), but after reading about it i think they are possessed...as crazy as that may seem.

 

I'm not advocating ketamine btw.  It is an extremely dangerous & powerful drug not only from what i've said above, but it leaves you physically helpless and very vulnerable.  Learn to astral project through the proper system of astral light visualization, if you are not ready or spiritually or mentally vulnerable then you will not be able to do it.   

 

           

[Saturn Celeste]

We are aware Cookie mentioned Ketamine and we chose to allow it.  That is not the point of his post.  I have several Israel Regardie books in my home also.  Please do not turn this thread into a drug addiction vs possession as I will have to shut it down.  This thread is about astral travel a subject I am very interested in myself.

[Cookie]

swedishfish, .

 

demonic possession is extremely rare, on the astral plain it is bad energies, just like we pick up from people, but different, if one does not use the right protection it is possible.  i've never consciously been in the astral light, but when i've meditated and got myself in a trance like state i've been there and all i can say is it's very strange.     

[sandrang123]

Oh, I hope I didn't offend, SC. If so let me know and I'll remove offensive parts. I only mentioned drugs at all b/c there is a long-held belief that they can induce these states, and several have mentioned the need for "caution" while in this state. Never happened to me personally, is all I was saying!

 

We are aware Cookie mentioned Ketamine and we chose to allow it.  That is not the point of his post.  I have several Israel Regardie books in my home also.  Please do not turn this thread into a drug addiction vs possession as I will have to shut it down.  This thread is about astral travel a subject I am very interested in myself.

[Saturn Celeste]

Oh, I hope I didn't offend, SC. If so let me know and I'll remove offensive parts. I only mentioned drugs at all b/c there is a long-held belief that they can induce these states, and several have mentioned the need for "caution" while in this state. Never happened to me personally, is all I was saying!

No Sandrang, no offense taken.  Drugs are a touchy subject.  For legal reasons we can't just talk dope.  But for a forum like this, we do talk about people's past and for many, myself included drugs were a part of it.  We don't condone drug use at all but what Cookie posted was in reply to astral travel, not a discussion about ketamine.  There are all kinds of drug abuse and we've already established to seek professional help should addiction be the case.  But if someone shares an experience in a civil discussion I see no reason to interrupt the topic by going into the weeds on an off topic tangent.  Swishy, if you continue to throw topics off the discussion I will have to issue you an official warning.  Please don't continue along this line.  And no, I don't want to close this thread, there is no reason to aside from grossly going off topic.  This isn't a forum for feedback, it's simply a discussion forum.

[sandrang123]

Oh, okay, I hear you. And thanks.

 

I have many friends who have dealt with a lot of things--myself included, in other ways. I just didn't want it to seem like it came from judgment. It didn' t, on my end. <3

 

Oh, I hope I didn't offend, SC. If so let me know and I'll remove offensive parts. I only mentioned drugs at all b/c there is a long-held belief that they can induce these states, and several have mentioned the need for "caution" while in this state. Never happened to me personally, is all I was saying!

No Sandrang, no offense taken.  Drugs are a touchy subject.  For legal reasons we can't just talk dope.  But for a forum like this, we do talk about people's past and for many, myself included drugs were a part of it.  We don't condone drug use at all but what Cookie posted as in reply to astral travel, not a discussion about ketamine.  There are all kinds of drug abuse and we've already established to seek professional help should addiction be the case.  But if someone shares an experience in a civil discussion I see no reason to interrupt the topic by going into the weeds on an off topic tangent.  Swishy, if you continue to throw topics off the discussion I will have to issue you an official warning.  Please don't continue along this line.  And no, I don't want to close this thread, there is no reason to aside from grossly going off topic.  This isn't a forum for feedback, it's simply a discussion forum.

[Saturn Celeste]

I just didn't want it to seem like it came from judgment. It didn' t, on my end. <3

Not at all!  ((

[sandrang123]

<3

 

 

I just didn't want it to seem like it came from judgment. It didn' t, on my end. <3

Not at all!  ((

[Luna]

I know this is an older thread (started awhile ago) and just recently brought up to date again--but I had to respond to this post. 

I've "traveled" since I was a child. I used not to be able to control it as much--and the first time I traveled, I did have a sense that if I was gone too long, my body would miss me! I was maybe only six or seven. And it was funny, too, in that I didn't travel very far. I just slipped out of my body, thought of my mother, and then I was in her room. I remember thinking, "Oh, she's so cold." I told her the next day I had a dream that I was standing next to her and she was shivering, and she said, "Oh, I was so cold last night!" Then at other times, I'd sort of fly out of myself, then I'd get scared and hit my body again like a ton of bricks, like it sucked me back into itself.

 

But now that I'm older, I yearn for these experiences and am not afraid--in fact, I feel at "home" in a weird way. I just sort of ask to do it, when I want to. And I travel much farther, like up into the sky, outer space, through worm holes, to other dimensions (with beings that are sometimes human-like, sometimes not so much so--really awesome liminal experiences. I wish I could tell you "how" to do it, anymore than I wish I could tell people how to channel. I do agree with someone on this thread who said to ask to remember your dreams. But how to take the dream state and access astral projections remains, to this day, a mystery to me.

 

Oh, and for the record: I do not use drugs to obtain this state. :) Unless red wine counts, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

 

I LOVE this!  I have very vague memories of astral travel as a child too--and remember traveling down a tree--which sounds more like a shamanic experience--but I am not a shaman.  I just remember bits and pieces of this as I was only about 4 years of age.  I know I was not yet in school.  Anyway, I can recall traveling down a tree into the ground and then landing in a wooded area and I remember 'playing' with a little girl there.  I also remember telling my parents about this and they'd laugh at me.  One time I recall my mom really questioning me about it when we were alone (she was a psychic medium) and I told her the little girl was called "Tree" because she lived in the trees.  That is all I can really recall about it--but I can remember 'sliding' down the tree roots like it was a sliding board.  Not really sure this was 'astral traveling' - but your post made me think of it.

 

Due to my parents brushing me and my experiences off so much and being told to stop being so silly--I stopped having these experiences often.  It was really into my middle aged years when it began again and I know for a fact now that I am astral traveling adn a few times I was able to make it happen myself.

 

My way of getting it to happen is to start out with a goal in mind and then meditating on it lightly.  The next thing I know, there I am.  At least most of the times.  I have traveled to friends and family members home and afterwards confirmed the traveling with them and what I experienced--seeing and hearing what was going on in their homes--hundreds of miles away, and find out I was accurate.  So, this is one way that works for me at times.  Not always and I'm not sure why that is tbh.  But, if you wish to try astral traveling, maybe it'll work for you. 

 

Now, back to reading others experiences.  Great thread!

 

edited to add:  Sandrang, I also recall once astral traveling to my mother--but this was after I had moved out of my parents home and lived hundreds of miles away.  My mother and I have a difficult relationship---and it was really upsetting me as I love her very much and want to get along with her.  I recall going to bed and thinking about her and wishing I could see her and make her be quiet so she could listen to me and 'rehearsing' in my mind what I'd tell her--how I wanted us to get along, that sort of thing. 

 

The next thing I knew, I was standing at the edge of her bed, with a departed loved one beside me.  My mother was sound asleep, and her dog was there on the bed as usual too.  The dog woke up and looked at me and barked a bit, and my mother just pushed at the dog with her hand and told it to be quiet and go to sleep.  I remember standing there for awhile trying to get moms attention though to no avail.

 

A good while later, I happened to mention this to my mom and she remembered it.  She told me she did *feel* my presence as well as the departed loved one (whom I didn't mention to mom)--but she was just too "Damned tired to give a shite" and so didn't bother to try to tune in with us.  ::)  typical of her - esp. where I'm concerned.  :-\   

 

Funny how things happen like this.  I have visited family members and friends many times just by thinking of them as you mentioned you do.  Some of them have definitely felt me there too--and a few were freaked out by it, so I try NOT to do this anymore, if I can ehlp it, UNLESS, it is 'pre-arranged' with them. 

[Luna]

I have been an astral traveller since I was a very young child. In the astral, thoughts equal action. I can fly through buildings; even seeing the bricks, mortar, glass, metal. I have had intense spiritual experiences while in the astral. I have helped Jesus rid a building of drug dealers and protect the children while in it. I have reonnected a child who died in a car wreck with her parents who wanted to only say goodbye to her. It was an incredible moment floating in the top of a cathedral with all of is in a circle holding hands. There is nothing unnatural about the astral. It is part of being human. If a religion looks down on it that is due to ignorance and fear. There is no way to break the cord either. When its time to come back you will gently glide back, cord and all, into your body.

 

As how to make it happen. I don't know. I do it spontaneously. Sometimes it happens more frequently when I am exhausted or stressed. It is freeing. I remember who I am. A soul not a body. I'm not from this planet but Im here for certain reasons like we all are. It is my gift. Tarot reading not so much LOL. But I love tarot for the art. I'm more of a collector.

 

Nivian, this is a very good post.  Thank you for sharing your experiences.  For me as well, its just a natural thing that happens, sometimes when I'm trying for it to happen and sometimes it happening on its own to me.  I have never been scared and it has always felt just as you said, "freeing".  I never felt scared either.  Always very natural feeling for me--as when I ever feel the slightest of discomfort, I'm suddenly back in my body again.  I can't even say I feel like I'm thrown back into my body.  It always feels very comfortable and stable and peaceful.

[Cookie]

Thank you for your understanding.

 

I think if we take short cuts without going through the proper procedures, or we end up there through mind-altering substances, or we find ourselves in the astral light when its not our intention to be there like through meditation or lucid dream states or even through tarot cards etc if a person is very sensitive to it (i think i read something on this thread about that)...then it can be a very frightening place. 

 

There are things there that we don't understand, sound is very different like echoes, there seemed to be no colour just shadows and bright light, and movement was in slow motion and seemed to have no ending nor beginning, just trails. I know that it's different for everyone though

 

And this was through meditative trances i got into not anything else.

 

An analogy i can think of is if you are asleep in a car at night, and you are awoken and dropped off in the middle of nowhere and it's pitch black and you have no idea where you are it would be a scary experience.  you'd survive but it would weigh on your mind a bit afterwards.  Whereas if you knew you were going to be dropped off, you'd be awake and ready, you'd have warm jumpers etc, a map, a compass, water etc.  You'd be ok, and probably be a good experience as you choose to be there.

 

I think we have to be ready in ourselves, some people just aren't.  But in the next couple of years i hope to be ready, and i'll go through the proper exercises and preparation. 

 

If anyone's interested there are exercises like visualization in the astral Body of Light and more starting on page 154 of Israel Regardie's The Tree of Life, which is available on free online.

 

The Golden Dawn referred to astral travel as Art, because it's our imaginations that take us there.  I like that !

 

   

[Luna]

T.Y., Cookie, for mentioning the book and being able to download it for free.  I've done so and will read through it when I'm able to do so.  :)

[Guest libra]

I actually started down the path of lucid dreaming and Astral projection by inducing night terrors. Not necessarily the path of recommend, but it was effective, in a sink or swim sort of way. I got to either become lucid or be certain that a demon was suffocating me.  On a more easy route, I also did a lot of reality checks throughout the day, enough to have my subconcious do them while dreaming. I still regularly squish my fingers together, as my fingers don't resist each other in dreams. If they don't go "squish", then that's my cue to start manipulating dreams.

 

My expropriation on the Astral kinda go all over the place. I've met and trained with the spirits within crystals (one obsidian piece I have carries a dragon!), I've returned to being a star, I've called in storms and made it so a group of mediators smelled cedar and orchids by suddenly growing a grove in the room. I kinda stopped after a fly-on-the-wall experience showed me day a long-distance-relationship was treating in me. Not something you want to actually SEE, and due to over-emotionality I didn't have the control to break out of it.

[abalone]

I had an OBE once when I was a kid and unfortunately not been able to have another experience like it.  But I don't fear anything about it.  It was awesome.  I think if you go into things with fear that will manifest as a bad experience. 

 

As a side note, I've read and heard that when we have flying dreams often we are astral traveling.  And sometimes when you come back, if its really sudden, you'll jolt awake.  I have elevator crashing dreams that I think were those sudden return trips,  :biggrin: 

 

 

[HaileyHayes]

Okay, I’ve always been a lucid dreamer. This personally is different to me than lucid dreaming, which is just being conscious of your actions, but you’re asleep. I’d always wanted to be “awake” still and have these experiences. I’d tried meditating, but no disc or “method” worked enough for me. My mother who’s psychic and a medium finally told me to try a specific set of discs that worked for her, because she said many didn’t work on her either initially. I tried meditating with Sacred Acoustics Om discs. I saw things I was NOT expecting, I had strong reactions, seeing faces of those I don’t know, suddenly traveling into different areas like an underwater cave hidden in a cliff side. One disc felt overwhelming to where I actually had to stop the first time I’d tried. I never fall asleep, except once when I was already really really tired, but almost without fail, I’ve been awake when experiencing these things. I would get a tingly sensation throughout my body that’s how I knew I was close to “seeing things.” It’s usually start with seeing colors, and designs and if I could focus enough that’s when I’d start seeing people or places. I will admit these aren’t cheap discs, but considering the results they’re well worth it in my book! [emoji108][emoji2532]

 

 

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[jules71]

I rarely ever lucid dream, but i have had some interesting outer-body experiences. Whenever i've had an OBE it's been induced by hours of meditation. When I induce this state I have a purpose and am trying to connect with entities to learn something. I usually do this when my body is tired but i can't stop obsessing over the question I want answered, like i can't sleep or do anything else until I release it.

 

I have a specific visualization I do to really focus on the energy and light flowing between my body and its surroundings, and i get into a state of deep relaxation. Once my body feels warm and fuzzy and tingly i focus on opening my third eye and crown chakras, and projecting light from them to send out my intention. I usually stop focusing on anything particular at this point and just enjoy the blissful tingly sensations and energy flow. Eventually i realize i can't feel my body at all, and I am able to visualize pretty clearly and find my guide. I know that my spirit is not in my body when i'm there because it feels very different in that plane/dimension.  It does take a lot of time at least for me to reach this state but its worth it, I've had some very profound experiences.

 

I haven't had many experiences with "scary" entities, although once i was trying to understand why someone i loved was acting so strangely and there was an interesting being guarding him that startled me. Any time i've gotten scared, or felt like I would "lose" my body, i'm immediately pulled out of that state. Like when you wake up right before you die in your dreams.