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1 hour ago, Ruby Jewel said:

Now Barleywine.....that was a little on the sneaky side (laugh). You are probably right, but I have a problem with it taking a whole lifetime.....it's kind of like me starting to learn classical guitar at the age of 70..... it will have to suffice as a book of reference for me cause learning all that makes my brain hurt. Anyway, I'm kinda content right now. How many years have you been studying Crowley and Thoth now??

Since 1972 (most of a lifetime), but for a while I used the Thoth deck with Eden Gray's explanations for divination purposes because the Book of Thoth was such an enigma.

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14 minutes ago, Ruby Jewel said:

When I first started watching the tarot readings on Utube I used to listen to "Tarot the Dale Jackson Way." She lives in England and she used the Crowley deck, but not the Thoth...I thought it was great. When her husband died she dropped off for awhile, but I think she is back again now. So you have been devoted to Crowley for almost a half century....hmmmm I need to think on this one.....how can someone like him garner such devotion? Does he really deserve it? There are a lot of other young folks out there who will probably do the same thing as there seems to be that kind of energy connected with him.......I won't say it reminds me of the Devil card b/c it will only irritate a lot of people and I don't want to go there, but I will recommend the antidote....which is Temperance. But actually, I think this is a case for the Emperor.....(laugh). Just kidding....in a serious way.

To be honest. a large measure of the credit goes to Frieda Harris as his interpreter and co-conspirator. But the Thoth deck wouldn't be what it is without his commentary. He appeals more to the intellect than to the emotions, but then so does Waite if we read him critically. It's Smith's prosaic imagery that excites the emotions, and it's the evocative mood and color of Harris' artwork that does the same. My personal opinion is that Crowley and Harris make us think more; ready-made "narrative vignettes" aren't handed to us on a platter. As a reader, I style myself as 60% analytical and 40% intuitive (although as a story-teller I prefer the words "imagination, inspiration and ingenuity" to "intuition"). but also as half mystic and half mad scientist, so Crowley punches all my buttons.

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On 7/17/2019 at 5:52 PM, Joe said:

There cant be any civilization without books.

The Native Americans did fine without them, until colonization. (Yes, they were civilized: the definition of civilization is "an advanced stage of social and cultural development and organization." They definitely had that. As did indigenous people in other parts of the world.)

But they had robust oral traditions. As long as things get passed down and learned, it doesn't matter how they're communicated.

It's peoples' refusal to learn that's the problem.

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1 hour ago, katrinka said:

The Native Americans did fine without them, until colonization. (Yes, they were civilized: the definition of civilization is "an advanced stage of social and cultural development and organization." They definitely had that. As did indigenous people in other parts of the world.)

But they had robust oral traditions. As long as things get passed down and learned, it doesn't matter how they're communicated.

It's people's refusal to learn that's the problem.

What she said. Books are NOT essential to civilisation.

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Well, as someone who really part Mohawk, I cant imagine life without books.

Anyway, I've found a good description of the 4 of Swords, an illusion about a sitch is revealed and you have to change your mind, stay positive.

And I like what Raggydoll has to say about the 7 if Swords being one strategic step at a time.

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