Accuracy of Your Predictions.

[Blasianpersuasion]

How often does what you read to be an outcome of a situation end up being true or  false? Because readings are only ever possible outcomes although many, including myself, sometimes have wishful thinking. But then how much more likely do you think an outcome is to happen if several people at different places and time have similar outcomes for a question you ask them? “Will so and so reconcile” “will I end up single by December” ykno questions on things that can always go either or way. How accurate has tarot been for you or someone you know with things like that? Super curious!

[Aldor44]

Hey there!

 

I have to say that I don't tend to ask the types of questions that you have mentoioned- i.e. YES/NO questions- because their answer is very balck and white- yes and no- and the world around us is grey.

 

I do tend to ask -answer WH questions- where a situation is shown and ways of advancing past the current obstacles.

Whether the client chooses to take those options or not its his call.

 

In general i view tarot as a tool of reflection- of presenting a mirror and allowing us to see things more clearly -with an added bonus of presenting possible future events- if indeed things continue on a certain path- but the idea of tarot is- is that once you show them- if they take action everything changes- thus my disliking of YES/NO questions.

 

I also feel that this depends on how you view the world- do you see it from a deterministic point of view- where humans have no option to change their lives and everything is pre determined or from the perspective that we are here to make our own fates. This can also affect your attitude towards these types of readings.

 

I do happen to pick up on things- even inner hidden things of a person as well as future events in the near future - but most tiimes due to my readings people change their behavior and then a new outcome appears...

 

Hope this was helpful 😄 

Edited November 4, 2019 by Aldor44

[Raggydoll]

Yes I do predictive readings, but not always on purpose. What I mean is that I have psychic visions that can either be triggered by the cards or by the energy of the sitter. Sometimes I do card readings that are predictive, but most of my predictions are through psychic sessions (either those that come to me involuntarily or controlled ones that I do on the behalf of the sitter). I don't have any precise statistics but it is my experience that the predictions that I do solely based on cards and traditional meanings are generally not as reliable as the one through psychic input. But its tricky to do psychic readings because I might as well pick up on the past and see flashes of memories that have special bearing on the topic in question. Its not an exact science and I am the first person to admit that I do not fully understand how this 'ability' works or its extent/limitations. Though I will say this: if I hadn't have people tell me repeatedly over the years that things that came up in their reading later turned out to be true, then I wouldn't not have kept doing those kind of readings. I think its important to evaluate the work you do. If you offer something specific then that also implies a claim, and that will mean that the sitter has specific expectations. And unless that claim and those expectations are fairly reasonable, then I think it might be a good idea to reassess things. If you feel that 'yes/no' questions are almost pointless, then don't do them! There is no rule that says you have to offer someone that type of a reading (many readers don't!). As long as you are up front with the sitter beforehand and tell them what it is you DO do, then that's all good. We could absolutely debate whether it is possible to do a 'guidance/insight' reading that is not predictive in any way (I tend to think No) but the point is that in those readings you generally don't give any clear answers on what the future holds. Though you'll still want to evaluate whether your guidance and your insights are on point and actually answers the questions asked... in my opinion! Maybe I am just a stickler, but I do feel strongly about quality, especially when you are reading for others (and most certainly if there is money involved!!). 

[evilgrapefruit]

I’ve not got as far as reading for other people and when I read for myself I find it hard to be accurate with anything because I am not impartial but for practice I sometimes read for fictional characters on tv shows and actually some of those come out spot on! They are quite good to do because you don’t have to wait long for an outcome. Whilst I didn’t predict season 8 of game of thrones would be a disappointment (!) I definitely felt like my readings for some of the characters reflected the show once it came on (I did the readings before the series started).

[Raggydoll]

57 minutes ago, evilgrapefruit said:

I’ve not got as far as reading for other people and when I read for myself I find it hard to be accurate with anything because I am not impartial but for practice I sometimes read for fictional characters on tv shows and actually some of those come out spot on! They are quite good to do because you don’t have to wait long for an outcome. Whilst I didn’t predict season 8 of game of thrones would be a disappointment (!) I definitely felt like my readings for some of the characters reflected the show once it came on (I did the readings before the series started).

That's a really fun and good way to practice! (And totally off topic - but I love your avatar! 😁) 

[DanielJUK]

I really love trying to predict different events but I always do it just for fun, I cannot guarantee anything. I don't think anyone can be 100% with predictions but I have got some things right which I am proud of. I like to do politician predictions, sports, entertainment and in personal readings, if it goes wrong I try and learn from it next time. Often I see the message there afterwards and just missed it's exact outcome argh but I am learning all the time 🙂

 

I don't often do yes / no predictions or readings, I would prefer to do many cards for the options. Like "will person x will the election?" I would rather read on all the parties or leaders and look at the options, it gives you a much better in-depth reading. I don't think tarot does binary answers very well, there is so much more depth and things it wants to say.

 

I would be wary of doing a yes or no prediction on if someone will be single? or if they will be married? I think these are the least accurate tarot readings you can try to get an outcome from. It's so much more nuanced and detailed than that. The worst of all of course is "will I ever marry?" there is no date on it and it's just sent into the universe, that is so tricky to get any kind of accurate prediction from! It would be better if someone is worried they could be single by a date to read about the relationship, find a really great relationship analysis spread online, that would give help to the situation. Whilst asking if someone will meet someone can be a fun light hearted tarot reading, if you want to get accurate outcomes, make it a short term time frame and try to keep it as specific (rather than vague) and as unbiased in tone as possible. I would read your question as, "what do I need to know about my relationship in the next 3 months?" you get a prediction and so much more insight!

 

But if I am reading on two sports teams, I take a card for each time about who will win the match? 🙂

I love doing predictions but you have to use them carefully!

 

 

 

 

[Grandma]

12 hours ago, Blasianpersuasion said:

how much more likely do you think an outcome is to happen if several people at different places and time have similar outcomes for a question you ask them?

Exactly the same as how much more likely it is that a coin will turn up heads on the next toss if it turned up heads on the last ten tosses.  The answer is not at all.  

 

I've always wondered why someone will ask the same question over and over and over to as many readers who will answer.  Is the querent taking a vote?  Do they keep going until they stack up enough "yes you will get back together with your boyfriend" answers?  If someone really believes that Tarot is predictive, then all they need is one reading from someone with a proven track record.  

 

And if they don't believe that Tarot is predictive, as in 

12 hours ago, Blasianpersuasion said:

readings are only ever possible outcomes although many, including myself, sometimes have wishful thinking

then why take the time and effort to pose a question, wait for someone else to take the time and effort to do a reading, and then take their own and the reader's time and effort to engage in a long series of feedback to the feedback the feedback - and repeat the process with multiple readers for weeks on end.  Wouldn't it be a lot faster and easier to ask a Magic 8 Ball?

 

I am not criticizing people who do this.  As long as there are readers who take the questions, ask away.  It's not my business and I can ignore those threads.  But I've always been curious.  There have been threads about this from the readers' point of view.  Some people don't mind reading serial yes or no questions at all, some won't do it if the querent has asked others the same question in a past specific period of time, and some consider it answer-shopping and disrespectful.

 

But until now I have never seen a thread from the point of view of the querent.  I've wanted to know why people do this and I've never asked because it never seemed to be my business.  But since you've brought the subject up, Blasianpersuasion, I am asking you.  I promise that I don't mean to be insulting or snide.  But would you be willing to explain why you ask the same questions again and again to multiple readers?  

 

Love, Grandma

[RavenOfSummer]

12 hours ago, Aldor44 said:

In general i view tarot as a tool of reflection- of presenting a mirror and allowing us to see things more clearly

This is my view as well 🤗 I see tarot as a tool that helps us to gain access to knowledge we otherwise didn't have access to. Tapping into deeper knowledge, knowledge hidden in our subconscious or our soul or in the universe, however you want to look at it.

 

For myself, I don't see tarot as predictive in the sense of the original post, but that doesn't mean I think it can't show you the future. I think tarot can show you what's going to happen by showing clearly the path you are on. With that clarity, you can see ahead and see where the path you're on will lead- hence seeing the future. And I certainly think the way we work with the cards can show us all kinds of things, some of which we may or may not be prepared for.

 

In my experience, tarot is a very powerful tool. I once saw a quote, and I wish I could remember where or who said it, but it was something like "Tarot can't tell you anything you don't already know." I think that is an oversimplification, but I understand the general idea. So in your examples @Blasianpersuasion, for questions like “Will so and so reconcile” or “will I end up single by December”, I think tarot can show the answer to questions like these if the person asking already knows the answer, somewhere deep down. More importantly in many cases, tarot is powerful in helping to make the best decisions for your life regarding things like relationships, moving on, etc, and to get through those difficult situations, and to grow from them.

 

I know there are many perspectives on this- just my two cents 🙂

[Blasianpersuasion]

1 hour ago, Grandma said:

Exactly the same as how much more likely it is that a coin will turn up heads on the next toss if it turned up heads on the last ten tosses.  The answer is not at all.  

 

I've always wondered why someone will ask the same question over and over and over to as many readers who will answer.  Is the querent taking a vote?  Do they keep going until they stack up enough "yes you will get back together with your boyfriend" answers?  If someone really believes that Tarot is predictive, then all they need is one reading from someone with a proven track record.  

 

And if they don't believe that Tarot is predictive, as in 

then why take the time and effort to pose a question, wait for someone else to take the time and effort to do a reading, and then take their own and the reader's time and effort to engage in a long series of feedback to the feedback the feedback - and repeat the process with multiple readers for weeks on end.  Wouldn't it be a lot faster and easier to ask a Magic 8 Ball?

 

I am not criticizing people who do this.  As long as there are readers who take the questions, ask away.  It's not my business and I can ignore those threads.  But I've always been curious.  There have been threads about this from the readers' point of view.  Some people don't mind reading serial yes or no questions at all, some won't do it if the querent has asked others the same question in a past specific period of time, and some consider it answer-shopping and disrespectful.

 

But until now I have never seen a thread from the point of view of the querent.  I've wanted to know why people do this and I've never asked because it never seemed to be my business.  But since you've brought the subject up, Blasianpersuasion, I am asking you.  I promise that I don't mean to be insulting or snide.  But would you be willing to explain why you ask the same questions again and again to multiple readers?  

 

Love, Grandma

Lol I’m not insulted by it! A lot of factors for me. I think for me, at least recently speaking, all of my readings have been really positive. The continuous confirmation has been calming for my very emotional self. Although I haven’t really asked the same question lately. I’ve been starting to just go about life more maybe because I’ve calmed down emotionally a little. This mercury retrograde doesn’t help though. But yea that’s a big reason If I’m just being honest. We all grieve a sad situation differently and I’m a person who stays in denial a lot. Even with positive readings I was just so in my head at the time. But also, for me, tarot is interesting cause I see it more than just Unknowing possibilities. This is because it is connected to the universe, space and everything untangible. The universe doesn’t look at time as linear as us humans. It knows things before we know them. And to me tarot is connected to what we can and can not see. I mean I remember getting a reading once where the person I was asking about was wanting to be alone, was feeling hurt and everything negative you could think of and still got an outcome that was really positive regarding us. So to me it was like, if it was just assessing what energies are already there a positive outcome wouldn’t make sense. It has to know things that haven’t happened yet. So maybe just that confirmation also feels good cause I believe that. However!! Now that I have stopped grieving though I know that I need to release it to bring it back. Work on myself, etc. 

[Blasianpersuasion]

13 hours ago, Aldor44 said:

Hey there!

 

I have to say that I don't tend to ask the types of questions that you have mentoioned- i.e. YES/NO questions- because their answer is very balck and white- yes and no- and the world around us is grey.

 

I do tend to ask -answer WH questions- where a situation is shown and ways of advancing past the current obstacles.

Whether the client chooses to take those options or not its his call.

 

In general i view tarot as a tool of reflection- of presenting a mirror and allowing us to see things more clearly -with an added bonus of presenting possible future events- if indeed things continue on a certain path- but the idea of tarot is- is that once you show them- if they take action everything changes- thus my disliking of YES/NO questions.

 

I also feel that this depends on how you view the world- do you see it from a deterministic point of view- where humans have no option to change their lives and everything is pre determined or from the perspective that we are here to make our own fates. This can also affect your attitude towards these types of readings.

 

I do happen to pick up on things- even inner hidden things of a person as well as future events in the near future - but most tiimes due to my readings people change their behavior and then a new outcome appears...

 

Hope this was helpful 😄 

Interesting! I’m really trying to determine how exactly I see humans in this world and our free will and what not. If you follow astrology you will find your natal chart, your transits and progressions and all which play apart in telling you what will happen in your life at birth and on. It’s like you do have free will, I could run outside naked if I wanted (although I won’t haha) but then you have all these things that the universe just brings to you and events that happen just as your chart says, as the planets transiting say and as your progressed chart says. Meeting S/O during certain planets transiting your natal chart, etc. It’s like free will To do whatever but all these things happen anyways. I don’t know how to feel about it lol.

[Blasianpersuasion]

9 minutes ago, RavenOfSummer said:

This is my view as well 🤗 I see tarot as a tool that helps us to gain access to knowledge we otherwise didn't have access to. Tapping into deeper knowledge, knowledge hidden in our subconscious or our soul or in the universe, however you want to look at it.

 

For myself, I don't see tarot as predictive in the sense of the original post, but that doesn't mean I think it can't show you the future. I think tarot can show you what's going to happen by showing clearly the path you are on. With that clarity, you can see ahead and see where the path you're on will lead- hence seeing the future. And I certainly think the way we work with the cards can show us all kinds of things, some of which we may or may not be prepared for.

 

In my experience, tarot is a very powerful tool. I once saw a quote, and I wish I could remember where or who said it, but it was something like "Tarot can't tell you anything you don't already know." I think that is an oversimplification, but I understand the general idea. So in your examples @Blasianpersuasion, for questions like “Will so and so reconcile” or “will I end up single by December”, I think tarot can show the answer to questions like these if the person asking already knows the answer, somewhere deep down. More importantly in many cases, tarot is powerful in helping to make the best decisions for your life regarding things like relationships, moving on, etc, and to get through those difficult situations, and to grow from them.

 

I know there are many perspectives on this- just my two cents 🙂

I’m always just wondering about this especially because we’re dealing with tapping into a world we physically know nothing about. It makes me wonder what do the tarot truly tap into to know these answers. Some answers even we are unaware of. Meeting someone significant in the nearest future when nothing you’ve done would suggest meeting someone (like maybe you never go out or talk to people, etc) or something like that. I’m just like how does it know to even tell you things like that whether they happen or not. Are they astral projecting into your future haha. Just thoughts I have that I wonder about.

[Blasianpersuasion]

6 hours ago, DanielJUK said:

I really love trying to predict different events but I always do it just for fun, I cannot guarantee anything. I don't think anyone can be 100% with predictions but I have got some things right which I am proud of. I like to do politician predictions, sports, entertainment and in personal readings, if it goes wrong I try and learn from it next time. Often I see the message there afterwards and just missed it's exact outcome argh but I am learning all the time 🙂

 

I don't often do yes / no predictions or readings, I would prefer to do many cards for the options. Like "will person x will the election?" I would rather read on all the parties or leaders and look at the options, it gives you a much better in-depth reading. I don't think tarot does binary answers very well, there is so much more depth and things it wants to say.

 

I would be wary of doing a yes or no prediction on if someone will be single? or if they will be married? I think these are the least accurate tarot readings you can try to get an outcome from. It's so much more nuanced and detailed than that. The worst of all of course is "will I ever marry?" there is no date on it and it's just sent into the universe, that is so tricky to get any kind of accurate prediction from! It would be better if someone is worried they could be single by a date to read about the relationship, find a really great relationship analysis spread online, that would give help to the situation. Whilst asking if someone will meet someone can be a fun light hearted tarot reading, if you want to get accurate outcomes, make it a short term time frame and try to keep it as specific (rather than vague) and as unbiased in tone as possible. I would read your question as, "what do I need to know about my relationship in the next 3 months?" you get a prediction and so much more insight!

 

But if I am reading on two sports teams, I take a card for each time about who will win the match? 🙂

I love doing predictions but you have to use them carefully!

 

 

 

 

It’s also hard for me to know what the cards are exactly saying since it isn’t all black and white. Since the cards don’t literally talk to us. Your cards could predict right but you could have interpreted it wrong and vice versa! At least speaking for myself I know that’s happened! But it is fun and something to be proud of when you get it right haha I know that feeling. I agree, I think I’m starting to like more questions like you mentioned. Far more insight!

[Blasianpersuasion]

11 hours ago, Raggydoll said:

Yes I do predictive readings, but not always on purpose. What I mean is that I have psychic visions that can either be triggered by the cards or by the energy of the sitter. Sometimes I do card readings that are predictive, but most of my predictions are through psychic sessions (either those that come to me involuntarily or controlled ones that I do on the behalf of the sitter). I don't have any precise statistics but it is my experience that the predictions that I do solely based on cards and traditional meanings are generally not as reliable as the one through psychic input. But its tricky to do psychic readings because I might as well pick up on the past and see flashes of memories that have special bearing on the topic in question. Its not an exact science and I am the first person to admit that I do not fully understand how this 'ability' works or its extent/limitations. Though I will say this: if I hadn't have people tell me repeatedly over the years that things that came up in their reading later turned out to be true, then I wouldn't not have kept doing those kind of readings. I think its important to evaluate the work you do. If you offer something specific then that also implies a claim, and that will mean that the sitter has specific expectations. And unless that claim and those expectations are fairly reasonable, then I think it might be a good idea to reassess things. If you feel that 'yes/no' questions are almost pointless, then don't do them! There is no rule that says you have to offer someone that type of a reading (many readers don't!). As long as you are up front with the sitter beforehand and tell them what it is you DO do, then that's all good. We could absolutely debate whether it is possible to do a 'guidance/insight' reading that is not predictive in any way (I tend to think No) but the point is that in those readings you generally don't give any clear answers on what the future holds. Though you'll still want to evaluate whether your guidance and your insights are on point and actually answers the questions asked... in my opinion! Maybe I am just a stickler, but I do feel strongly about quality, especially when you are reading for others (and most certainly if there is money involved!!). 

That’s interesting you say that. My aunt has these dreams and if she dreams of someone next to a grave and sees there face those people often die within months of her dream. She also has money dreams. It’s interesting because free will obviously plays apart in what happens in life but I almost feel the universe already knew what you were gonna do. The biggest wonder is who exactly am I really tapping into when talking tarot. 

[Raggydoll]

2 minutes ago, Blasianpersuasion said:

That’s interesting you say that. My aunt has these dreams and if she dreams of someone next to a grave and sees there face those people often die within months of her dream. She also has money dreams. It’s interesting because free will obviously plays apart in what happens in life but I almost feel the universe already knew what you were gonna do. The biggest wonder is who exactly am I really tapping into when talking tarot. 

Well, I won’t pretend like I know the answer but a thought is that you might actually be tapping into an aspect of yourself 🙂

[Blasianpersuasion]

5 minutes ago, Raggydoll said:

Well, I won’t pretend like I know the answer but a thought is that you might actually be tapping into an aspect of yourself 🙂

Interesting thought! And ykno another thing as I was saying to someone else on here, astrology. Another mystery of the world. Planetary transits that occur when you meet someone new or rekindle etc. all things that inevitably happen. Those planets destined to have you meet someone, start that job, etc. all while complying to your rule of free will. 
 

that’s why I wonder about what things mean, how true they are, etc and how much the universe truly knows. I’m inclined to believe far more than we can even imagine. 

Edited November 4, 2019 by Blasianpersuasion

[Symph]

17 minutes ago, Blasianpersuasion said:

That’s interesting you say that. My aunt has these dreams and if she dreams of someone next to a grave and sees there face those people often die within months of her dream. She also has money dreams. It’s interesting because free will obviously plays apart in what happens in life but I almost feel the universe already knew what you were gonna do. The biggest wonder is who exactly am I really tapping into when talking tarot. 

That's what's been freaking me out a bit.  It feels like whatever I'm tapping into... it's like... in all of us.  Or it's universal I think.  Maybe even some other part of me, but maybe it really is this "collective consciousness" people speak of.  But I still strongly believe that the future isn't set in stone, I don't think it's even real.  I think when the Tarot tells you about the future it's kind of like looking at a train that's going down a track with tons of other tracks/paths it can jump off of along the way.  So it's like the tarot is saying "Well right now you're heading fast down this track toward this destination" but you CAN hit the brakes, slow down, or jump tracks.  I mean, I believe that Revelations in the bible is a divinely channeled future prediction that was correctly channeled (though highly misunderstood) but I don't think it's set in stone.  Even the Hopi prophecies, some elders will tell you that we can change them.  

That's why I feel strange about doing specific future predictions (even though I'm starting to feel I may just have to do them) because I don't want someone to get some idea in their head that causes them to hold onto an expectation.  I even feel that that expectation could become a self fulfilling prophecy!  So I just... I dunno.. I'd take the cards seriously, Lord knows I'm beginning to take them more seriously every day, but if you get an outcome you don't like, like this situation where you keep seeing that you're not going to be with the person by the time you feel you should be, I would just ask the tarot "How can I change this?" and do a spread on that.  Or even just pray about it yourself you know?  

I wish I could explain myself a little better but just... I dunno, use Tarot as a tool, don't let it use you would be the main gist of what I'm getting at.  If you don't like what a reading says?  Just say "I don't buy that Tarot, but thanks for the input".  I don't think it's like arguing with fate.  It's just arguing with the reading...  at this point in my journey I'm convinced they are two different things.  

 

[ashwsh]

While I agree with the fact that future is not set in stone, there are some forms of predicting future who consider it otherwise. With no personal experience of this, the system of Nadi Shastra is based on the fact that you may make choices and choose between alternatives based on the placement of plants in your chart and your path is already pre-determined.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadi_astrology

I know of people who have got it done and swear by it. Despite my fondness for knowing the future and what is in to for me, getting to know too far off scares me. I don't want to know, if I will be poor or rich in next 10 years or how will I die? I don't want to stop myself from making efforts to make my life better because my chart in Nadi Astrology said that it won't help.

 

Edited November 4, 2019 by ashwsh

[evilgrapefruit]

9 hours ago, Raggydoll said:

That's a really fun and good way to practice! (And totally off topic - but I love your avatar! 😁) 

Thanks, the 1976 version of Roger Taylor is like an ethereal being from another dimension ☺️

 

I suppose you could also use historical events to see if the cards could get the same/right outcome.  

[gregory]

1 hour ago, RavenOfSummer said:

This is my view as well 🤗 I see tarot as a tool that helps us to gain access to knowledge we otherwise didn't have access to. Tapping into deeper knowledge, knowledge hidden in our subconscious or our soul or in the universe, however you want to look at it.

 

For myself, I don't see tarot as predictive in the sense of the original post, but that doesn't mean I think it can't show you the future. I think tarot can show you what's going to happen by showing clearly the path you are on. With that clarity, you can see ahead and see where the path you're on will lead- hence seeing the future. And I certainly think the way we work with the cards can show us all kinds of things, some of which we may or may not be prepared for.

 

In my experience, tarot is a very powerful tool. I once saw a quote, and I wish I could remember where or who said it, but it was something like "Tarot can't tell you anything you don't already know." I think that is an oversimplification, but I understand the general idea. So in your examples @Blasianpersuasion, for questions like “Will so and so reconcile” or “will I end up single by December”, I think tarot can show the answer to questions like these if the person asking already knows the answer, somewhere deep down. More importantly in many cases, tarot is powerful in helping to make the best decisions for your life regarding things like relationships, moving on, etc, and to get through those difficult situations, and to grow from them.

 

I know there are many perspectives on this- just my two cents 🙂

I agree with every last word of this.

2 hours ago, Grandma said:

Exactly the same as how much more likely it is that a coin will turn up heads on the next toss if it turned up heads on the last ten tosses.  The answer is not at all.  

 

I've always wondered why someone will ask the same question over and over and over to as many readers who will answer.  Is the querent taking a vote?  Do they keep going until they stack up enough "yes you will get back together with your boyfriend" answers?  If someone really believes that Tarot is predictive, then all they need is one reading from someone with a proven track record.  

 

And if they don't believe that Tarot is predictive, as in 

then why take the time and effort to pose a question, wait for someone else to take the time and effort to do a reading, and then take their own and the reader's time and effort to engage in a long series of feedback to the feedback the feedback - and repeat the process with multiple readers for weeks on end.  Wouldn't it be a lot faster and easier to ask a Magic 8 Ball?

 

I am not criticizing people who do this.  As long as there are readers who take the questions, ask away.  It's not my business and I can ignore those threads.  But I've always been curious.  There have been threads about this from the readers' point of view.  Some people don't mind reading serial yes or no questions at all, some won't do it if the querent has asked others the same question in a past specific period of time, and some consider it answer-shopping and disrespectful.

 

But until now I have never seen a thread from the point of view of the querent.  I've wanted to know why people do this and I've never asked because it never seemed to be my business.  But since you've brought the subject up, Blasianpersuasion, I am asking you.  I promise that I don't mean to be insulting or snide.  But would you be willing to explain why you ask the same questions again and again to multiple readers?  

 

Love, Grandma

This too. Especially the waste of everyone's time, raising false hopes and the rest, brought about by asking the same thing over and over. We'll all have seen those readings someone has done, brought to us for second/third/107th opinions, and when we offer them the OP says no but you're wrong so when WILL he come back to me/marry me/leave his wife...

 

I also do not believe that the future is set in stone. The example I always use in this context is the reading done on AT, where a worried mother was asking if her daughter would pass her exams. ALL of us agreed that no, she wouldn't. Faced with this, the daughter pulled her finger out, worked really hard and passed. The circumstances changed, which changed the outcome. The advice (oh shock horror) gained from the reading made a difference. Where does the "accuracy of the prediction" fit here ? Was the prediction - one which about 7 of us agreed was what the cards said - wrong ?

Edited November 4, 2019 by gregory

[katrinka]

19 hours ago, Blasianpersuasion said:

How often does what you read to be an outcome of a situation end up being true or  false?

I hit about 80-90%.
I don't think anybody gets 100% - that would make them omniscient.
But, as I've said before, we can do better than the TV weather man, and that fool has a million dollars worth of equipment.

For me the whole point of reading cards is to get information that is unavailable otherwise: future events, things happening at a distance, secrets. I'm probably in the minority these days, but oh, well.

19 hours ago, Blasianpersuasion said:

Because readings are only ever possible outcomes although many, including myself, sometimes have wishful thinking.

A major cure for wishful thinking is less-ambiguous card meanings. And I've noticed that with modern Tarot, people will actually water the meanings waaaaay down  and speak quite authoritatively, attempting to put a positive spin on cards that should be red flag warnings.

Take the RWS 5 of Pents, the destitute people walking in the snow outside the church. It's a material crisis and worries, in both RWS and Thoth. (In TdM it's generally not so bad, but that's another ball of wax.) But people like to focus on the stained glass window and say everything is coming up roses and happiness is right around the corner. But what's the best possible scenario if they gain entry to the church and find a clergyman there? A bag of nonperishable food, like pasta they can't cook without a kitchen? A sheet of paper with a list of services for the homeless, none of which are open at night?  If this card comes up in a reading about money, well, don't expect any. In a love reading, you're literally "out in the cold". Any improvements to the situation would have to be discerned from other cards.

I like my meanings clear. 😉

That way, the only way things can go wrong is if I wasn't careful enough formulating the question. I miscalled the last election because I didn't take the Electoral College into account, and Hillary did win the popular vote, plus there was all the hacking and interference. All my other election readings have been correct. (Politics are very weird and muddy at present. It's harder to read on them than it used to be!)

19 hours ago, Blasianpersuasion said:

But then how much more likely do you think an outcome is to happen if several people at different places and time have similar outcomes for a question you ask them? “Will so and so reconcile” “will I end up single by December” ykno questions on things that can always go either or way. How accurate has tarot been for you or someone you know with things like that? Super curious!

I'm not sure what you mean by "several people at different places and time have similar outcomes" - if you mean independently,  a consensus of readers getting the same thing on world affairs or a high profile murder case, then I think it reinforces the answer. But if you're going to different readers and asking the same question, it's no different from sitting there reading on the same question yourself, over and over...I wouldn't trust the answer.

[Blasianpersuasion]

1 minute ago, katrinka said:

For me the whole point of reading cards is to get information that is unavailable otherwise: future events, things happening at a distance, secrets. I'm probably in the minority these days, but oh, well.

 

Yes !! I agree. I don’t think its just only things already known. That would make me thing tarot only taps into your conscience versus otherworldly things out there in the universe. And I also agree about people watering it down. I actually try to be harsher on myself as to not become to delusional.

[katrinka]

A somewhat jaundiced eye does help.
Some people try to avoid saying anything unpleasant, citing "self-fulfilling prophecy." But I like to give my sitters credit for not being that suggestible. And there's the fact that it generally takes more than talk to make things happen or not happen. It's just common sense.
If we could make things happen simply by saying so, there would be very few ills in this old world.

[Symph]

2 hours ago, katrinka said:

A somewhat jaundiced eye does help.
Some people try to avoid saying anything unpleasant, citing "self-fulfilling prophecy." But I like to give my sitters credit for not being that suggestible. And there's the fact that it generally takes more than talk to make things happen or not happen. It's just common sense.
If we could make things happen simply by saying so, there would be very few ills in this old world.

You don't believe people can attract to them the thing that they fear?  Or that it's not common for an idea to get in someone's head so much so that they pull it toward themselves?  Or what about just fearing it needlessly?  I believe it was Mark Bjerski who talked about a woman who got a tarot reading that said she'd die in her 50's and she was still afraid of it at age 58 or something.  I know a guy at work who did a reading for himself and he became convinced something bad was going to happen to him and he had to work passed the fear.  (He wouldn't give me many details he didn't even like to talk about it)  I mean...  I'm sure some of your clients aren't that suggestible, but I mean... people can be quite suggestible.  It's how TV manipulates so well. 

 

I believe I would have a hard time not being afraid if a reader I had a lot of faith in told me something was going to be a certain way, I might try to be like "Oh they don't know everything" and try not to let it get to me, but I bet it would be difficult to shake the influence completely, especially if it sounded plausible.  Reminds me of how this one guy in a documentary was doing this deep dive and the natives said the entrance to a cave was guarded by 2 huge sharks, he knew 100 percent it was just a legend, but as he got further down, he couldn't help but be scared it was true.  It's just how we are, I don't think there's anything belittling about admitting we can be suggestible creatures.  

 

I dunno... I still see my point as valid, but I find myself more and more curious about how you and other long time tarot readers view these things.  I definitely see that there is a sort of... I don't wanna say art but like... tradition to this stuff.  And it's got it's reasons for being the way it is, I'm still learning from my perspective.  

[katrinka]

1 hour ago, Symph said:

You don't believe people can attract to them the thing that they fear?  Or that it's not common for an idea to get in someone's head so much so that they pull it toward themselves?  Or what about just fearing it needlessly?  I believe it was Mark Bjerski who talked about a woman who got a tarot reading that said she'd die in her 50's and she was still afraid of it at age 58 or something.  I know a guy at work who did a reading for himself and he became convinced something bad was going to happen to him and he had to work passed the fear.  (He wouldn't give me many details he didn't even like to talk about it)  I mean...  I'm sure some of your clients aren't that suggestible, but I mean... people can be quite suggestible.  It's how TV manipulates so well. 

You're talking pathology. A lot of people suffer from psychological disorders that can cause them to obsess on things to the point you describe. I'm not being ableist here, these can be otherwise good intelligent people, but they should be going to qualified therapists with their problems, not fortunetellers.
It's a sad commentary on our society that they come to us.
And when we see indications of such thinking, it's our responsibility to assist them in finding someone qualified to help them. NOT read their cards.

1 hour ago, Symph said:

 

I believe I would have a hard time not being afraid if a reader I had a lot of faith in told me something was going to be a certain way, I might try to be like "Oh they don't know everything" and try not to let it get to me, but I bet it would be difficult to shake the influence completely, especially if it sounded plausible.  Reminds me of how this one guy in a documentary was doing this deep dive and the natives said the entrance to a cave was guarded by 2 huge sharks, he knew 100 percent it was just a legend, but as he got further down, he couldn't help but be scared it was true.  It's just how we are, I don't think there's anything belittling about admitting we can be suggestible creatures.  

But did he go past that? Did he enter the cave?
Remember Joe Campbell talking about threshold guardians?
That's just how life is. "Don't go into the woods, there's snakes and bears and wolves." "Don't go in the water until an hour after lunch or you'll get cramps and drown." "Don't leave that fork in the tuna salad or it will turn into poison and you'll die." And the famous tattoo:

A lot of stuff is meant to be ignored. 😉

1 hour ago, Symph said:

 

I dunno... I still see my point as valid, but I find myself more and more curious about how you and other long time tarot readers view these things.  I definitely see that there is a sort of... I don't wanna say art but like... tradition to this stuff.  And it's got it's reasons for being the way it is, I'm still learning from my perspective.  

There's a weird kind of divide...cartomancy "twas ever thus" until the new age stuff came on the scene and almost obliterated it. Now it's started to head back towards what it always was before...and I for one am grateful!

[Symph]

44 minutes ago, katrinka said:

You're talking pathology. A lot of people suffer from psychological disorders that can cause them to obsess on things to the point you describe. I'm not being ableist here, these can be otherwise good intelligent people, but they should be going to qualified therapists with their problems, not fortunetellers.
It's a sad commentary on our society that they come to us.
And when we see indications of such thinking, it's our responsibility to assist them in finding someone qualified to help them. NOT read their cards.

But did he go past that? Did he enter the cave?
Remember Joe Campbell talking about threshold guardians?
That's just how life is. "Don't go into the woods, there's snakes and bears and wolves." "Don't go in the water until an hour after lunch or you'll get cramps and drown." "Don't leave that fork in the tuna salad or it will turn into poison and you'll die." And the famous tattoo:

A lot of stuff is meant to be ignored. 😉

There's a weird kind of divide...cartomancy "twas ever thus" until the new age stuff came on the scene and almost obliterated it. Now it's started to head back towards what it always was before...and I for one am grateful!

Yeah I'm starting to see where you're coming from myself.  There is an old wisdom to this... my current sense of morality wants to define things, but what I see from many tarot readers, wiccans, pagans, it's a morality more about trusting reality itself, trusting that things work themselves out almost...  I dunno I find my brain still trying too hard to define everything, I think it's still looking for it's new creed or something...   but I'm starting to see it the more I dive into this and I don't think it's some deception I'm falling into.  I think it's like... going from rose colored glasses to clear ones, just seeing things as they are, not as one thinks they should be.  Regardless you've given me more to chew on, thanks for that.  Not sure how much sense my thoughts will make to you... but they make sense to me 🙂