Your Birth Card

[Page of Ghosts]

Oh I'd like to get into these GD cards! I only know of the numerology calculation from the MKG-book I read where I'm the Hierophant.

[pelican_pilot]

Pelican_Pilot, the Heirophant is a very spiritual person in my understanding. Some facets relate to orderliness and being a stickler for rules, expectations and structure, and some other facets to my knowledge relate to being a ritualistic person with a strong moral compass and firm grounding in themselves. Usually a respected person who pulls weight and is listened to in their life. Thats my novice understanding anyway :)

 

My numerological birth and shadow cards are the lovers and the devil, respectively. The numerological cards were the ones I first learned of and it wasn't until I joined this forum that I learned of the Golden Dawn personality cards, which seem to be much more broadly recognized. Since it hasnt been referenced here, and in case anyone is interested to know, I used a numerological birth and shadow card calculator that referenced the birth card as being the outward, more easily "palatable" facets of your identity, while the shadow card referenced the parts of yourself you might tend to keep hidden. I've read that it is a life quest for us to draw the shadow element out into the daylight where it can be embraced, as leaving it hidden away as something we are ashamed of can cause it to become malignant. I like this logic and there are definitely ways in which I relate to it in relation to my cards, although understanding the full scope of how to embrace my shadow devil and draw it out into full exposure is still a little beyond me.

 

My recently discovered Golden Dawn cards are Judgement for the fire element, Wheel of Fortune for the planet Jupiter, and Temperance for the sun sign Sagittarius.  I have a positive relationship with and appreciation of the Wheel of Fortune, and parti ::)cularly with Temperance, but I am still developing a well rounded understanding of Judgement.

 

Also I talk a lot.  :-[

 

That's ok, talking is good.

 

I saw on one site that the Hierophant can symbolize order, structure, and dogmatism while at the same time symbolizing rule-breaking and anti-dogma. This kind of "both A and not-A" is, frustratingly, all too common to areas like astrology and tarot-- but I suppose the idea is that any obsession can manifest either in a "pro" or "anti" fashion? I just know that I really dislike dogma in general.  ???

 

Can you tell me where to find out about my birth and shadow cards? And whatever it is you mention? I just know about the personality card that is calculated according to the first link in this thread, which seems to be 100% numerological since only the birth date is asked for. To have the devils as a shadow card is probably better than having it as a birth card, isn't it? This system, by the way makes me think of North Node/South Node or Rahu/Ketu. Western and Indian astrology have different interpretations for what these mean, which is its own story, but the idea is that you have an inner touchstone like a pool of standing water (Ketu), and an opposite area of confusion and voracious appetite (Rahu). The integration of these two is, indeed, quite important. Coming back to the idea of a "shadow devil"-- operating fully on a whim here (and I don't think you need to fully embrace the notion that you have a "shadow devil" as this particular system says), I see one of two things. On the good end, there is the ability or tendency to keep the devil in the shadows-- like the Titans locked in the underworld. On the more psychological end, there is the tendency to ignore the dark rather than finding other ways of dealing with it. But this in a nutshell is the entire story of modern psychology.

 

 

[timreheht]

I saw on one site that the Hierophant can symbolize order, structure, and dogmatism while at the same time symbolizing rule-breaking and anti-dogma. This kind of "both A and not-A" is, frustratingly, all too common to areas like astrology and tarot-- but I suppose the idea is that any obsession can manifest either in a "pro" or "anti" fashion? I just know that I really dislike dogma in general.  ???

 

Can you tell me where to find out about my birth and shadow cards? And whatever it is you mention? I just know about the personality card that is calculated according to the first link in this thread, which seems to be 100% numerological since only the birth date is asked for. To have the devils as a shadow card is probably better than having it as a birth card, isn't it? This system, by the way makes me think of North Node/South Node or Rahu/Ketu. Western and Indian astrology have different interpretations for what these mean, which is its own story, but the idea is that you have an inner touchstone like a pool of standing water (Ketu), and an opposite area of confusion and voracious appetite (Rahu). The integration of these two is, indeed, quite important. Coming back to the idea of a "shadow devil"-- operating fully on a whim here (and I don't think you need to fully embrace the notion that you have a "shadow devil" as this particular system says), I see one of two things. On the good end, there is the ability or tendency to keep the devil in the shadows-- like the Titans locked in the underworld. On the more psychological end, there is the tendency to ignore the dark rather than finding other ways of dealing with it. But this in a nutshell is the entire story of modern psychology.

 

Hehe, yeah I get confused by the parallel definitions aswell. As I understand it currently, they can often be used to convey one of the two extremes based on the cards that are around them (in a reading anyway) and where they are positioned and how, and on their own deal more broadly with, for example, dogmatism in the case of the heirophant, which i suppose can encompass varying relationships with the theme its self. But also dogmatism is only one associated meaning in a sea of definitions, lol. I personally dont always or inherently associate the heirophant with dogmatism because of the age of the talisman in my mind predates our modern ideologies of what a druid/priest/spiritual chief represents, which I think is much more interwoven with ideas of dogmatism, narrow mindedness and control. Thinking of the Heirophant in an older and more genuinely spiritual context I dont think it has much to do with dogmatism at all. Thats my oppinion anyway  ;) and its definitely not to say that in specific readings, that card couldn't be referring to a person, situation, environment etc that fit the more modern context, because i think there are times when its a useful indicator of those things. I just personally wouldn't include those definitions in the "personality traits" of the card its self. I also tend to think life circumstances and situations can bring out varying extremes. Sort of like the symptoms of having an overactive or under active chakra/dosha/etc (speaking of Indian systems, p.s, I think the comparison to Rahu and Ketu is excellent, I really agree with you there. :))

 

Here is the page I used http://angelorum.co/topics/divination/how-to-calculate-your-personality-sou/ I dont know how the shadow card is calculated, perhaps it is just how it associates with the personality card, but yeah, Im not sure, once you calculate your personality card number it shows you all the relating cards on a chart, including the shadow card.

 

Haha yes I suppose shadow is a better position for the Devil. And I really like your psychological analysis too. In the past I have always associated it with being very possessive and controlling, and being embarrassed about being possessive and controlling and trying to pretend Im not, haha! Which has been helpful to work through where feelings like that stem from and feeling more comfortable with and forgiving of myself. But its a lifelong journey.

 

 

[pelican_pilot]

 

Hehe, yeah I get confused by the parallel definitions aswell. As I understand it currently, they can often be used to convey one of the two extremes based on the cards that are around them (in a reading anyway) and where they are positioned and how, and on their own deal more broadly with, for example, dogmatism in the case of the heirophant, which i suppose can encompass varying relationships with the theme its self. But also dogmatism is only one associated meaning in a sea of definitions, lol. I personally dont always or inherently associate the heirophant with dogmatism because of the age of the talisman in my mind predates our modern ideologies of what a druid/priest/spiritual chief represents, which I think is much more interwoven with ideas of dogmatism, narrow mindedness and control. Thinking of the Heirophant in an older and more genuinely spiritual context I dont think it has much to do with dogmatism at all. Thats my oppinion anyway  ;) and its definitely not to say that in specific readings, that card couldn't be referring to a person, situation, environment etc that fit the more modern context, because i think there are times when its a useful indicator of those things. I just personally wouldn't include those definitions in the "personality traits" of the card its self. I also tend to think life circumstances and situations can bring out varying extremes. Sort of like the symptoms of having an overactive or under active chakra/dosha/etc (speaking of Indian systems, p.s, I think the comparison to Rahu and Ketu is excellent, I really agree with you there. :))

 

Here is the page I used http://angelorum.co/topics/divination/how-to-calculate-your-personality-sou/ I dont know how the shadow card is calculated, perhaps it is just how it associates with the personality card, but yeah, Im not sure, once you calculate your personality card number it shows you all the relating cards on a chart, including the shadow card.

 

Haha yes I suppose shadow is a better position for the Devil. And I really like your psychological analysis too. In the past I have always associated it with being very possessive and controlling, and being embarrassed about being possessive and controlling and trying to pretend Im not, haha! Which has been helpful to work through where feelings like that stem from and feeling more comfortable with and forgiving of myself. But its a lifelong journey.

 

Oh, so the shadow card is calculated the same for each of the personality/soul cards. So for the Hierophant it's Temperance. More to investigate here.

 

Very interesting, your comments on the Hierophant and the possibility that he might be interpreted as more of a shamanic/talisman figure. However, this does raise the question as to whether the standard RWS Tarot really encompasses this; I think I read that the most literal referrant for this card is the pope. Not that there is anything against bringing one's own interpretations to the cards; on the contrary, I'm sure it's a must. But I still do wonder, being that tarot is generally said to imbue divination with a fairly formal and historical framework (hence its power), how the standard symbolism of the cards comes into play. I.e., these shamanic legacy traditions go back way before the Middle Ages setting for the cards' symbolism. In any case, there is some interesting overlap with my type in Human Design (if you or anyone happens to have heard of that system). This is going beyond tarot, but that system also gives two numbers out corresponding generally to conscious and unconscious halves.

 

Alas, it's so hard to pin something down inside us as a fault, isn't it? Maybe that's a strange statement to make, but in a cosmic sense, isn't it a little presumptuous to say that some things "happen for a reason" and others are blemishes to be worked out karmically? (Who tells the difference?) That's my reaction, anyway, to seeing someone criticize themselves for being controlling. (In a very general sense.) Surely control has a good side!

 

Then again, there are nasty qualities in people that are surely just faults. If all else fails, you "know it when you see it".

 

 

 

[timreheht]

http://www.twosidestarot.com/blog/2015/5/29/the-hierophant

Here is an article about the Heirophant/Pope that Im quite fond of that may be helpful in your quest to define him  :)

Me, I havent heard of human design. Ill be sure to look it up.

Thats a very nice way of looking at things you mentioned there about perspective. I personally highly value the opportunities that come from more challenging aspects of the self, which I see as positive attributes when they are worked appropriately. But i really appreciate your perspective that what im saying reads as self criticism.

[BlueDragonfly]

My birth card is the Wheel of Fortune....a pretty accurate summation of my life.  With a tie-in to the Magician when you reduce it down.  ;)

 

The Wheel of Fortune is a symbol of destiny and destination, of good luck and bad luck, of the ups and downs of life and fate. Everything is in motion, turning and floating, constantly changing, accidental and uncontrollable.

 

The trump also represents the need to be careful, to realize and recognize the vaguarities of life, to accept the fact that fate is nothing what we could have done, but the result of what we already did. Today is the result of the past, future will be the sum of past and today, and no matter how accurately we plan, the Wheel of Fortune will mix up light and shadow.

 

Whether the Wheel of Fortune is positive or negative is not a matter of happenstance or events in the first place; but rather of the way we will deal with the results, arrange our lives with the unchangable and work on what we might be able to change - and of course of our ability to realize facts.

 

 

Drive: Eternal motion, changing, restarting, accepting of fate

 

Light: Unexpected changings, fortune, realization of luck

 

Shadow: Fatalism, a changing to the worse

 

My year card is the Moon/Hermit.  That fits pretty well, too!

[Libra 58]

My card is the "Hanged one". I have to try to see my life in an other angle and make some changes. Hard since I'm a Libra and don't like changes to much! ;)

[pelican_pilot]

http://www.twosidestarot.com/blog/2015/5/29/the-hierophant

Here is an article about the Heirophant/Pope that Im quite fond of that may be helpful in your quest to define him  :)

Me, I havent heard of human design. Ill be sure to look it up.

Thats a very nice way of looking at things you mentioned there about perspective. I personally highly value the opportunities that come from more challenging aspects of the self, which I see as positive attributes when they are worked appropriately. But i really appreciate your perspective that what im saying reads as self criticism.

 

Oh great, that was interesting. And from my philosophical point of view, I also want to add (especially for modern times), "And what exactly is tradition?" Maybe it's our joy that we get to live in an age where starched collar-wearing businessmen and shamanic forest-dwelling hippies all think of themselves as traditional.  :o

[Queen of Nothing]

My card is "The hermit," which was my favorite card before I even really knew what birth cards were. I'm just very drawn to this archetype. I'm a very introspective person. I enjoy sitting in peace and quiet, immersed in self-study. Self-reflection for the purpose of self-realization.

 

On the flip side, I tend to self-isolate a lot, which hurts me after a while since I'm not necessarily an introvert. Just painfully shy and unsure of how to ask for help when I need it.

[Audelia]

My birth card is Strength and I feel that it's a card I've grow into more and more as I get older. There have been many baptisms of fire into the strength energy over the years, but in hindsight I wouldn't change any of these things because they've taught me not only strength and patience, but how important it is to temper strength with compassion and an open heart.

 

I think Strength is a lesson that I'll continue to learn more and more as I get older.

 

I think the card resonates with me a lot.

[Albadawn]

I know a tiny bit about numerology, and found out my Life Path number is 2, so I always assumed my tarot birth card would have been High Priestess. I do like that card but I always resonated with Strength more, as I've always felt this kind of battle of wills in my life. Both trying to control my own will and escape from others who wanted to impose their will upon me. I actually got a lion tattooed on my arm last year to remind me to keep strong and believe in myself. It's a big deal for me.

 

The link calculated my birth card to be Strength, so I'll go with that. ;D

[EmpyreanKnight]

Just a question, Dawn. How do you know what your Life Path number is?

[Albadawn]

I read that you calculate it from the individual digits of your date of birth, reducing down until you get a number between 1 and 9.

 

So somebody born today would be:

 

1 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 2 + 0 + 1 + 8 = 13

1 + 3 = 4 Life Path Number

 

I can't remember exactly where I got this information from, I think it's a book I have on candle magic maybe?  ???

[EmpyreanKnight]

Using that, my Life Path Number is 4, which is again the number connected to the Emperor. I guess it really, irrevocably is my Tarot card.

[Page of Ghosts]

Using that, my Life Path Number is 4, which is again the number connected to the Emperor. I guess it really, irrevocably is my Tarot card.

 

Same with me and the Hierophant (5). Despite some of my reservations we might just be meant to be!

[EmpyreanKnight]

Lol yeah. It's a good thing I like the 4th Atu so much.

 

Also, maybe your card means that deep down you're a reactionary, dyed-in-the-wool conservative. As an enforcer of the status quo, I think you may even be part of the 1%, Page of Ghosts, you're just trying to hide it from us! :o

[Star83]

Using that, my Life Path Number is 4, which is again the number connected to the Emperor. I guess it really, irrevocably is my Tarot card.

 

Wow. My life path number is 6 which is same as the lovers birth card.

[EmpyreanKnight]

Maybe this means that you will eventually get that which your heart has always pined for, Star83. :)

[Page of Ghosts]

Lol yeah. It's a good thing I like the 4th Atu so much.

 

Also, maybe your card means that deep down you're a reactionary, dyed-in-the-wool conservative. As an enforcer of the status quo, I think you may even be part of the 1%, Page of Ghosts, you're just trying to hide it from us! :o

 

If I was as wealthy as you suggest I think I would have had a much, much larger tarot collection that included some historical treats ;D ;D ;D

 

No, but I am very fond of reading books (I like Hierophant card that has books in them!) and recently, as I mentioned in one of the #22favs threads, I've come to realise that I might be too fond of the RWS system and I have a hard time working with non-traditional decks even if I like them a lot. So in some ways I might be a bit conservative... but in other ways I am a bit opposite. Maybe the Hierophant will show his ways later in life as I'm still in my mid/late 20's and I have a lot of old age to look forward to.

[EmpyreanKnight]

Lol I was just kidding.

 

But come to think of it, I too surmised that my birth card would only distinctly manifest himself later in my life. I still have so much knowledge I must gain and so many battles I should win before I can even remotely mirror his archetype sigh. I shall make it tho. ;)

[Page of Ghosts]

Lol I was just kidding.

 

But come to think of it, I too surmised that my birth card would only distinctly manifest himself later in my life. I still have so much knowledge I must gain and so many battles I should win before I can even remotely mirror his archetype sigh. I shall make it tho. ;)

 

I figured as much, but I thought it wouldn't hurt to share my "if I was a rich (wo)man"-plans ;)

[Star83]

Maybe this means that you will eventually get that which your heart has always pined for, Star83. :)

 

The way I see it, the card just means I will be in a relationship, whether good or bad, and will show me choices and temptation on the way. But staying in a relationship is apparently my destiny. Whatever comes with it.

[EmpyreanKnight]

That's such a sad outlook tho. :(

[Star83]

That's such a sad outlook tho. :(

 

Well let's put it this way. Being in a committed relationship was always something I was scared to do but wanted. I was always very much attracted to highly sexual men but no man ever approached. No nice ones anyway. So I decided to take action into my own hands and went for a guy where there was live, and it was emotionally fulfilling. Problem is I naturally crave the more wands type of relationship. Its so physical and passionate and satisfying. So when I have this kind of dilemma I turn to tarot for advice and it always tells me to forget about that wands energy and desire and to fully focus on living the 10 of cups. I must admit I do long and feel comfortable with s ten of cups relationship, but of course there's that side of me that craves the ace of wands. So I cut off the desire otherwise I feel sick.

[Star83]

That's such a sad outlook tho. :(

 

Well let's put it this way. Being in a committed relationship was always something I was scared to do but wanted. I was always very much attracted to highly sexual men but no man ever approached. No nice ones anyway. So I decided to take action into my own hands and went for a guy where there was love, and it was emotionally fulfilling. Problem is I naturally crave the more wands type of relationship. Its so physical and passionate and satisfying. So when I have this kind of dilemma I turn to tarot for advice and it always tells me to forget about that wands energy and desire and to fully focus on living the 10 of cups. I must admit I do long and feel comfortable with s ten of cups relationship, but of course there's that side of me that craves the ace of wands. So I cut off the desire otherwise I feel sick.