Lenormand shopping spree

[HOLMES]

1. The green lenormand

Picked because of artwork, how beautiful it is, hoping it gets here np

 

2.pianik lenormand

All the sellers on amazon ca are abroad, so picked the cheapest with 76 rating. 

I really looked at the artwork before deciding it grew on me. 

 

3.pixie lenormand 

It grew on me with the waite graphics 

 

4. Old style lenormand

I figure it fits my critia ,inserts 36 cards not a lot added, clear

 

5. Fairy lenormand oracle

Surpised i didnt get it sooner as davide corsi is my go to person for tarot decks. 

 

6. Kindle version of the lisa sutton book for the price and figure not all bad 

 

7. Kindle version of lozzy complete guide to lenormand workbook

 

8. Marcus katz lenormand book the full one, . Want to read his chapters not in easy lenormand. 

 

Alas the enclopedia 1, 2 3 i wanted is not on kindle. 

 

So looking forward to mid may when all my decks should have arrived

 

I figure any decks i get now be off etsy, or game crafter(yuletide lenormand appears still on there), still want annie k lenormand, 

 

 

[katrinka]

11 hours ago, HOLMES said:

6. Kindle version of the lisa sutton book for the price and figure not all bad 

 

7. Kindle version of lozzy complete guide to lenormand workbook

 

I'm not familiar with those. But:
 

11 hours ago, HOLMES said:

8. Marcus katz lenormand book the full one, . Want to read his chapters not in easy lenormand. 

 

I reviewed that one back when it came out. It has...issues.
https://fennario.wordpress.com/2013/05/12/books-learning-lenormand/

 

11 hours ago, HOLMES said:

 

Alas the enclopedia 1, 2 3 i wanted is not on kindle. 

 

Are those the Bjorn Meuris books?
While Bjorn can read cards (unlike a lot of people writing on the subject! ) those books are quite skimpy. 
If you have Andy's book, you really don't need them. Save your money!
 

[HOLMES]

I already got them.by kindle. 

The lisa book andy gave his first impression in the other thread. 

I am still going to follow andy for the main study. He is a nice giving guy. 

 

Thanks for your quick tale on bjorn book. I wondered if there was only thing i might be missing. It is easier to pay 9.99 then 40 . 

 

The cool is thing i didn't know you review the book. I thought about trying to start a thread for each book to help out future beginners

But be easier to have a thread called 

All lenormand book reviews.? 

With links to all over the web. Under each book.as long as each is earnest

 

 

 

 

 

[katrinka]

21 minutes ago, HOLMES said:

I already got them.by kindle. 

The lisa book andy gave his first impression in the other thread. 

I am still going to follow andy for the main study. He is a nice giving guy. 

 

Yes. I've known Andy online for years. If there's a gold standard, he's it. 🙂
 

21 minutes ago, HOLMES said:

Thanks for your quick tale on bjorn book. I wondered if there was only thing i might be missing. It is easier to pay 9.99 then 40 . 

 

Bjorn is an opportunist. I'll let it go at that.  
 

21 minutes ago, HOLMES said:

The cool is thing i didn't know you review the book. I thought about trying to start a thread for each book to help out future beginners

But be easier to have a thread called 

All lenormand book reviews.? 

With links to all over the web. Under each book.as long as each is earnest

 

That's a potentially good idea. 
There are already reviews at amazon, etc. - but some authors *cough*katz*cough* will recruit their fan base to go there and post five star reviews when they see their rating starting to slip. Amazon reviews can be misleading.

I think this forum is much less vulnerable to that kind of thing. 

[gregory]

I'm - not impressed by the Katz/Goodwin one either, actually.

[DownUnderNZer]

5 hours ago, HOLMES said:

I already got them.by kindle. 

The lisa book andy gave his first impression in the other thread. 

I am still going to follow andy for the main study. He is a nice giving guy. 

 

Thanks for your quick tale on bjorn book. I wondered if there was only thing i might be missing. It is easier to pay 9.99 then 40 . 

 

The cool is thing i didn't know you review the book. I thought about trying to start a thread for each book to help out future beginners

But be easier to have a thread called 

All lenormand book reviews.? 

With links to all over the web. Under each book.as long as each is earnest

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can't remember if someone told me this or I read it somewhere, but at some place where a few of them attended at the same time like Rana George, Bjorn Meuris, Donna Leigh and  few others - Bjorn Meuris was the one that people drew to more because he was totally exemplary.

 

His encyclopaedias are good value, but expensive. I know a few that bought them and swear by them, but they also feel he could have easily combined them in to one as well.

 

Rana George has a light approachable way (French style) that appeals to many as does Sylvia Steinbach although Steinbach's book isn't easy to understand at times.

 

Some styles of teaching can be quite heavy and foreboding - not too different to the Gypsy Witch if you have those cards and somewhat oppressive.

 

How would you learn and thrive better - light and approachable, somewhere in the middle or heavier and oppressive?

 

I preferred the French approach over German because it wasn't as heavy or so oppressive.

 

 

DND 🌞

 

[HOLMES]

16 minutes ago, DownUnderNZer said:

 

I can't remember if someone told me this or I read it somewhere, but at some place where a few of them attended at the same time like Rana George, Bjorn Meuris, Donna Leigh and  few others - Bjorn Meuris was the one that people drew to more because he was totally exemplary.

 

His encyclopaedias are good value, but expensive. I know a few that bought them and swear by them, but they also feel he could have easily combined them in to one as well.

 

Lisa sutton in her acknowledgements thanks him first

 

16 minutes ago, DownUnderNZer said:

Rana George has a light approachable way (French style) that appeals to many as does Sylvia Steinbach although Steinbach's book isn't easy to understand at times.

 

Some styles of teaching can be quite heavy and foreboding - not too different to the Gypsy Witch if you have those cards and somewhat oppressive.

 

How would you learn and thrive better - light and approachable, somewhere in the middle or heavier and oppressive?

 

I preferred the French approach over German because it wasn't as heavy or so oppressive.

 

 

DND 🌞

 

 

Yes as i was examining her book more in detail she mentions she follows the french style.

 

Right now andyb, and caitlin matthews german insert.

Rana george and alexandre musruck the french style. 

 

I haven't looked at my two kindles yet so i don't know what style insert they follow. 

Not to say which one wins or better Just for me keeping a score card. 

 

I guess i am in love with kindle as reading a novel on kindle and the books easier. So ease, and more affordable. 

 

 

[DownUnderNZer]

12 minutes ago, HOLMES said:

 

Lisa sutton in her acknowledgements thanks him first

 

 

Yes as i was examining her book more in detail she mentions she follows the french style.

 

Right now andyb, and caitlin matthews german insert.

Rana george and alexandre musruck the french style. 

 

I haven't looked at my two kindles yet so i don't know what style insert they follow. 

Not to say which one wins or better Just for me keeping a score card. 

 

I guess i am in love with kindle as reading a novel on kindle and the books easier. So ease, and more affordable. 

 

 

 

 

What is fantastic these days that wasn't available back during my time - is the availability of learning the Lenormand through books (English). So, there is indeed a new world opened to many nowadays which is a true blessing.

 

Kindle obviously widens that even more and especially if people don't or can't go with a physical hardcopy.

 

I did meet one Irish lass that couldn't get passed 3 cards (maybe not even the basics) when she had Caitlin Mathew's book and she found it very frustrating. What made me proud of her though was that she wasn't a quitter and was giving it a darn good go.

 

Not all books and/or methods are created equal perhaps. Or are they?

 

Bottom line is - we all learn

differently and some techniques or methods we take to like ducks to water whereas others we just don't at all no matter how hard we try.

 

And then there are the ones, like you Holmes, that try doing things a bit differently - like the reversals. That I do like!

 

Experimenting and exploring...not confined to being too rigid with it.

 

I hope you find what you need.

 

 

DND 🌞

 

[Guest]

You will soon have a treasure trove, @HOLMES.  
 

I cannot offer opinions or recommendations.  Once one has published you lose your perceived neutrality, and criticism or praise can be construed as holding an agenda. Of course, some recommend books they have not read for their own agendas. So it is best to form your own opinions.

 

I have, however, read all three volumes of Björn’s encyclopaedia and I liked them all.  Björn had his own reason for the formatting — and that was his choice, whatever I feel.  Caitlín Matthews’ book is one I enjoyed.  Rana George “follows” Mary Marco.  That paradigm is often considered “French,” but the idea of schools, styles and so on is a fiction. My favourite book is French but very different to Marco.   But Rana is lovely, and her book is fantastic.
 

In English I tend to point to those three (Meuris, Matthews and George). 

 

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[HOLMES]

Thanks for sharing. 

 I will add them to my list down the line. The fact you enjoyed is high praise enough. 

I think for me i like a good review, if it is from another author that is ok for i try to understand where they come from.

 

Though to back up katrinka statement. I did have an author message me in a different field to give them a good review on amazon.years ago. 

 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, HOLMES said:

The fact you enjoyed is high praise enough. 

You’re very kind. But it is just my honest opinion having read the volumes. I do know several who did not rate the encyclopaedias.  Katrinka has read Björn and offers a valid critique. 

 

What is important is that if you are considering reviews, you do your homework. If someone has not read a book or attended a course themselves, they cannot offer an opinion.
 

Katrinka gave a fair and balanced review of Mr. Katz’s book.  
 

 

18 hours ago, HOLMES said:

Yes as i was examining her book more in detail she mentions she follows the french style.

 

In the original edition, Rana stated she followed the French/Belgian/Dutch “school.” 

 

Björn is Belgian as is Moony (a well respected Lenormand teacher). Both read drastically different. Add in Vincent — who is also Belgian — the schools’ myth is shattered.

Serena Powers’ meanings come from a Dutch forum but are considered “French.”  Elvira is a Swiss reader who follows Marco to a point — but if you watch her she reads quite like Malkiel in tone. 

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[HOLMES]

Just got email that my chapters order of the green lenormand has shipped. 

My pixie and old style should arrive first. My fairy lenormand should arrive a couple of days after. 

Then my green lenormand..about may 5 then finally my piaknik lenormand. About may 15

However with ontraio under lockdown til may 6 or 6. It could be these arr delayed way later.

Least all of them have shipped.

[HOLMES]

The first three are here, i will begin taking photos for the deck libary

[Guest]

The Pixie Lenormand is very well done. The artist — Edmund — is talented. It was too close to the Smith tarot (for me), but I did admire it. 
 

I am eagerly awaiting the Wanderwust to arrive. 

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[katrinka]

I was very tempted by the Pixie. I finally ended up passing because the Fish looked like they were being flushed down the toilet. I wish Edmund would redo that card...

The Beatles Lenormand landed in my mailbox today. Definitely not a beginner deck, and not a deck for large spreads, but interesting and it actually seems fairly well thought out, which is rare in a newly published deck. I've only had time to look at the cards. It gets the test drive when I'm off tomorrow. 😁

Edited April 13, 2021 by katrinka

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, katrinka said:

The Beatles Lenormand landed in my mailbox today. Definitely not a beginner deck, and not a deck for large spreads, but interesting and it actually seems fairly well thought out, which is rare in a newly published deck. I've only had time to look at the cards. It gets the test drive when I'm off tomorrow. 😁

I cannot wait to hear. 

[katrinka]

I'll post some thoughts and small readings! 

[Guest]

I look forward to it. I have officially retired my main Carta Mundi.  It has been used for a long, long time. I can now tell the Scythe and the Sun from the back due to fading and creasing.  So it is time.

 

A Brepols reproduction arrived on Monday. The Wanderwust is doing the rounds in Chicago, but should be here in a week. I am slightly jealous of it as I should have been in the States myself now. But hoping for next year. 

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[gregory]

17 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

The Pixie Lenormand is very well done. The artist — Edmund — is talented. It was too close to the Smith tarot (for me), but I did admire it. 
 

What of his "Day of the Dead" one ?

[Guest]

2 hours ago, gregory said:

What of his "Day of the Dead" one ?

Never heard of it. I saw the Marseille one which was nice.

[gregory]

https://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=166516 

 

https://samhainmoon.blogspot.com/2012/06/dia-de-los-muertos-lenormand.html

 

- best I can find. It seems OK to me - but as you know, I know nothing !

[katrinka]

It's pretty. And it seems to be coming from appreciation rather than an attitude of cultural appropriation - I'm sure Edmund was sincerely interested in what was going on and made the effort to understand it. 

I did pass on it. I have tons of stuff like that already - I'm in Texas, even our local supermarket carries Dia de los Muertos related things every year, everything from crockery to potholders to wax melters. And it looks like it might be a tough read since everyone is dead, lol. I don't think Lenormand lends itself well to themes. How to interpret the Bear if it's a dancing, skeletal one shaking maracas? (I did cave and get that Beatles one. The Bear in that one is the big devouring mouth on that on a guy's belly, so it does kind of fit. But I still expect some challenges, at the very least.) 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, gregory said:

https://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=166516 

 

https://samhainmoon.blogspot.com/2012/06/dia-de-los-muertos-lenormand.html

 

- best I can find. It seems OK to me - but as you know, I know nothing !

It does look both attractive and well done – you can see the care and attention. That is typical of Edmund (as well as Ciro and Ryan). 
 

But it is not one that I would have purchased.

 

Over time I have found that one’s first deck casts a long shadow. For me, that was a Dondorf (Eastern Europe bootleg). Even though I do not use a Dondorf now, the cards I favour (Carta Mundi, Froman & Bünte and Wüst), are of that style: clear emblems but landscaped.
 

As much as I have enjoyed theme cards, I’ve found that the PL doesn’t lend itself well/easy to such interpretations. But that is me. 

[Guest]

59 minutes ago, katrinka said:

It's pretty. And it seems to be coming from appreciation rather than an attitude of cultural appropriation - I'm sure Edmund was sincerely interested in what was going on and made the effort to understand it. 

I did pass on it. I have tons of stuff like that already - I'm in Texas, even our local supermarket carries Dia de los Muertos related things every year, everything from crockery to potholders to wax melters. And it looks like it might be a tough read since everyone is dead, lol. I don't think Lenormand lends itself well to themes. How to interpret the Bear if it's a dancing, skeletal one shaking maracas? (I did cave and get that Beatles one. The Bear in that one is the big devouring mouth on that on a guy's belly, so it does kind of fit. But I still expect some challenges, at the very least.) 

 

I did note the Bear. Doesn’t quite sing envy. 
 

I also struggled to identify the Anchor. I thought it was the Lady card. 

[katrinka]

4 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

It does look both attractive and well done – you can see the care and attention. That is typical of Edmund (as well as Ciro and Ryan). 

 

But it is not one that I would have purchased.

Agreed. The chilis on the Birchrods are a particularly nice touch - they emphasize the heatedness. And I can admire the work of all three artists without feeling the need or desire to possess everything. 

 

4 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

Even though I do not use a Dondorf now, the cards I favour (Carta Mundi, Froman & Bünte and Wüst), are of that style: clear emblems but landscaped.

 

I favor that style, too. The landscape gives hints ("many trees", etc.) but it doesn't get in the way.

 

4 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

I also struggled to identify the Anchor. I thought it was the Lady card.

She's kind of a Santasima Muerte/Virgen de Guadalupe hybrid, isn't she? I'm not sure if he meant to reference Santa Muerte, or just fit the Virgin to the theme of the deck. And although either can be petitioned for things that relate to stability, it seems Iike an odd choice. I get the impression that he chose that image simply because the crescent moon that the Virgin stands on is reminiscent of an Anchor's shape. It seems odd to have such a holy image on this particular card.