'Fall Out' Shuffling

[ilweran]

4 minutes ago, Wildcard said:

On the other hand, if life is chill enough to let that bug you, be my guest

My son is at his grandparents for a few days, I have nothing in particular to do and nowhere to be...  I may throw a tarot deck in the air and see what happens. I always do a reading for the coming year, and after the last two years maybe trying something new is a good idea!

 

Which book was solved by a search of my Kindle - Snow Sisters by Carol Lovekin, though it was only done once. There might be others though - the search returned 80 books as including the word tarot, but Snow Sisters is the one I was trying to think of.

[ilweran]

Here you go. Not actually read them yet. 

 

 

Having now picked up the cards that fell face down or not on the cloth, the remaining cards form a rough spiral. Two of Wands, Wanderer (Knight) of Wands, Reflection, Strength, Judgement, The Moon, Blessing (Page) of Cups, Empowerer (King) of Wands,The Blasted Oak.

 

I'll be ignoring orientation as I generally don't do reversals and I particularly don't do reversals with the Greenwood.

Edited December 31, 2021 by ilweran

[katrinka]

I must admit, there's a certain decadent extravagance in throwing an OOP Greenwood down on the floor. Like dissolving pearls in a glass of wine or bathing in champagne. 🤣

[Eric13]

Well, you know Jodo is legendary for reminding people that the cards are just that, cards, There's no secret magic to them. 

[ilweran]

1 hour ago, katrinka said:

I must admit, there's a certain decadent extravagance in throwing an OOP Greenwood down on the floor. Like dissolving pearls in a glass of wine or bathing in champagne. 🤣

I read of somebody trimming theirs, I felt that was taking things a bit far.

 

This isn't an original, but it felt decadent enough throwing it in the air given how long I spent making it.

Edited December 31, 2021 by ilweran

[ilweran]

I was amazed at how few landed face up!

[katrinka]

Maybe it's a dance diagram. face up: L, face down: R.

Like this but with more steps. 😁

[ilweran]

10 hours ago, Wildcard said:

Could you make sense out of the cards, reading wise?

For my part, yes, definitely.

About your cards which landed on the square part (I do not know how to name that piece of furniture): seeing that there's the 12 card wheel spread for years ahead, you do have a 6 card wheel, with center theme and outside influence (if you were inclined to read it that way, of course).

I read it in a spiral, and yes, I could make sense of it.

 

I may look again with the pattern you pointed out and see how that changes things as it would be an interesting experiment and may offer further insight.

 

(and the furniture I was reading on is a pouffe - it's like a short stool/footrest thing, though it also gets used for card readings and with a placemat on it as a small coffee table. Very useful.)

[ilweran]

1 hour ago, Wildcard said:

Lastly, I want to say "Thank you!" - that was a memorable start for 2022!

Pleasure 😄

 

I may be tempted to throw my cards in the air again! I'm wondering if a smaller deck would be easier and I have a couple of minis somewhere...

[katrinka]

1 hour ago, Wildcard said:

I feel it save to conclude that there definitely is 'something to it'.

Any randomized grouping of cards will have "something to it."
The question for me is whether I want to crawl around on the floor with a flashlight looking under furniture for missing cards.
And the answer is a resounding NO.
But y'all do y'all.

And we always called those footstool things "hassocks." I've seen them called an "ottoman" in books, too, though I've never actually heard anyone use that term.

[ilweran]

28 minutes ago, katrinka said:

And we always called those footstool things "hassocks." I've seen them called an "ottoman" in books, too, though I've never actually heard anyone use that term.

My parents had an ottoman, it was larger - would make a bed for a child - and opened so you could store blankets or whatever in it. The pouffe doesn't open, though I believe you can get ones that do, but they seem to be called ottomans sometimes.

 

And that's reminded me of A A Milne and...

 

A bear, however hard he tries,
Grows tubby without exercise.
Our Teddy Bear is short and fat,
Which is not to be wondered at;
He gets what exercise he can
By falling off the ottoman,
But generally seems to lack
The energy to clamber back.

 

Back to tarot - there's a Linestrider mini and I never knew of it! That is tempting. Though I really shouldn't.

[Disa]

On 12/28/2021 at 10:08 PM, katrinka said:

 

It sounds like you guys are talking about jumpers, a card or two that might accidentally jump out of a normal shuffle. That's normal, and a lot of people attach some significance to those. Others just stick it back in the deck and keep shuffling. Either way is fine.

Fallout shuffling, OTOH, is doing a sloppy shuffle on purpose, so a lot of cards are dropped, and reading those. It's messy, unnecessary, and IMHO, unprofessional.

Thank you for explaining it, katrinka. I've been out of the loop and jumpers were familiar, but not this fall out shuffling.  I'll keep my eye out for some of that.  It sounds entertaining to watch, if you aren't the one paying for it 🤷🏼‍♀️

[Disa]

2 hours ago, ilweran said:

Pleasure 😄

 

I may be tempted to throw my cards in the air again! I'm wondering if a smaller deck would be easier and I have a couple of minis somewhere...

All of this throwing decks in the air is making me laugh.  You all did a great job with it 🙂  I think minis would be easier. 

[ilweran]

6 minutes ago, Wildcard said:

Does not seem like it would rip the purse to me.

It might be too tempting!

[Disa]

1 minute ago, Wildcard said:

Happy to please, and thanks for watching!

😊

...really now, it was great fun, and a most unexpected way to start the year.

Definitely great fun.  Fun is what I need now.  Maybe we all do.  Maybe tomorrow I'll go toss a deck in the air and see how she flies?

[ilweran]

Too tempting to get the mini Linestrider for throwing around 🤣

[Aeona]

Now everyone is throwing cards as an experiment, I'm feeling tempted to do it also lol.  I'll report back in a few days if I've had a chance to try it!  

[Disa]

35 minutes ago, Aeona said:

Now everyone is throwing cards as an experiment, I'm feeling tempted to do it also lol.  I'll report back in a few days if I've had a chance to try it!  

It's the irony of it all that's so funny to me.  Remember when we were new? All of the sacred ways we were told to handle our decks?   All of the myths and misconceptions out there?  Now we are throwing caution to the wind.

I haven't done it. But it seems like some of my mini decks wouldn't mind. 

[Aeona]

Ok so hear me out- I was just looking at ordering the this might hurt tarot for a friend, and they sell full sheets of mini-card stickers.  I can't help but picture making a super mini deck of these stickers on card-stock chips, and then throwing them around 😄

[ilweran]

33 minutes ago, Disa said:

It's the irony of it all that's so funny to me.  Remember when we were new? All of the sacred ways we were told to handle our decks?

Yep. Wrap them in silk, cleanse them, do/don't let others touch them, do/don't buy your own deck...

[katrinka]

7 hours ago, Aeona said:

Ok so hear me out- I was just looking at ordering the this might hurt tarot for a friend, and they sell full sheets of mini-card stickers.  I can't help but picture making a super mini deck of these stickers on card-stock chips, and then throwing them around 😄

Or just use metal charms. They're much less likely to be blown hither and yon by a fan or a puff of wind.
I have Carrie Paris's old Tarot Talismans. They do work. She's not selling them any more, though, and I don't know if she intends to bring them back. But there's similar things available.

This one is a bit pricey, but nice. And the pieces are actually card-shaped and immediately recognizable:

https://thestoryoracle.com/collections/all

 

Here's one with 26 pieces: 22 Majors and four suit symbols. You get a 14-sided die to determine A-K:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1107257617/travel-charm-tarot-deck
 

There are others, I'm sure. Or you could just make your own: collect charms, or paint symbols on small stones or whatever. Or glue tiny card images under glass pebbles, like these. They're dirt cheap, most dollar stores carry them and you'd end up with something very nice:

There's a lot of options. And I think that virtually any of them would be better than dropping a deck on the floor. 😉

 

[Aeona]

@katrinka I love the idea of the charm cast tarot, and I saw someone say you can use them to do a "rubbing" of the charms to get pictures in your tarot journal which sounds like a great use for them also.  But the price is currently out of my budget.  I like the idea of the glass pebbles though, I used to make magnets out of those with magazine images glued to them so I am familiar with that process!

[devin]

On 12/28/2021 at 6:29 PM, katrinka said:

... done by new readers who are still in some kind of weird phase where they think anything the pasteboards do is a pronouncement from On High.

 

I remember this phase. It was fun. It sometimes worked. Maybe I miss it.

 

I'm just remembering: The late Yoav Ben-Dov, hardly a noob, considered reading the Tarot to be somewhat analogous to drawing a magic circle - creating a space distinct from ordinary life in which every happening can be read as a sign. 

 

Incidentally, I think making that distinction between ordinary and magical existence (even if it's somewhat artificial) is key here..... helping to ward off nervous breakdowns and the like.

 

Of course Ben-Dov was apparently buried with the Le Bateleur on his grave......

 

Edited January 3, 2022 by devin

[katrinka]

1 hour ago, devin said:

I'm just remembering: The late Yoav Ben-Dov, hardly a noob, considered reading the Tarot to be somewhat analogous to drawing a magic circle - creating a space distinct from ordinary life in which every happening can be read as a sign. 

 

Yes, but did he throw his deck on the floor? 😁
(And yes, I'm aware Jodo's done it. But I think that was more performance art than an actual reading technique he normally incorporates. More of his theatrical dada stuff. 🤣)
I can agree that reading cards is a different headspace than day to day stuff. I wouldn't go so far as to say "everything is a sign", though. I wouldn't make the arrival of the UPS guy or the garbage truck part of the reading, I'd stick to the cards. But now that you mention it, I can see someone like EE doing that, lol. But his background is mentalism, presentations and broadcasting. Using everything at hand to keep up a constant patter. I don't know what Ben Dov was doing before he got into reading, but I suspect there may be similarities. All of that is different from a new reader posting that their cat jumped when they were reading cards and wanting to know what it means. There's a superstitious mindset a lot of people have when they first come to this, thinking something bad happened because the cards predicted it, or that they have to store their cards with a particular crystal, things like that.

[devin]

31 minutes ago, katrinka said:

Yes, but did he throw his deck on the floor? 😁
(And yes, I'm aware Jodo's done it. But I think that was more performance art than an actual reading technique he normally incorporates. More of his theatrical dada stuff. 🤣)
I can agree that reading cards is a different headspace than day to day stuff. I wouldn't go so far as to say "everything is a sign", though. I wouldn't make the arrival of the UPS guy or the garbage truck part of the reading, I'd stick to the cards. But now that you mention it, I can see someone like EE doing that, lol. But his background is mentalism, presentations and broadcasting. Using everything at hand to keep up a constant patter. I don't know what Ben Dov was doing before he got into reading, but I suspect there may be similarities. All of that is different from a new reader posting that their cat jumped when they were reading cards and wanting to know what it means. There's a superstitious mindset a lot of people have when they first come to this, thinking something bad happened because the cards predicted it, or that they have to store their cards with a particular crystal, things like that.

 

Actually, he came from a background in physics and philosophy of science.... buuuuut he did spend some time learning from Jodorowsky in Paris. The Jodo factor also adds a quasi-psychoanalysis angle to proceedings. 

 

Whatever, I get you point, some of the tricks employed by the art-practice crowd might not translate to sitting at your kitchen table trying to figure a reading on an ex.