Two of Wands, Twin Fire/Flame?

[sixofcups]

Hi all. This is my first time here and first time posting, and I'm fairly new to tarot. Two of Wands came up in a reading I did recently, and based on its placement and the story forming around it, it suddenly occurred to me that it was Two of Fire and could be interpreted as Twin Flames. I'd love to hear if anyone else has had this feeling about Two of Wands.

[EmpyreanKnight]

I believe I have never encountered this interpretation of the 2 of Wands before and I don't think I buy into the concept of twin flames quite yet, but if this interp really resonates with you then good for you. It means that you're beginning to have a deeper relationship with the Tarot, going beyond established traditional meanings to personal attributions that make more sense to you. Do take note of whether this interpretation eventually proves accurate or not tho.  :)

[Raggydoll]

I have found that sometimes cards can take on a very different meaning (than you are used to) in a reading, and that is usually down to intuition and is very specific for a certain reading/moment, so it is not something (at least for me) that I will continue to use as a standard meaning for that card, it was just a very useful insight at that point in time. But tarot cards certainly develop a unique language with their reader and this language might differ quite a lot between different tarot readers. So there aren't really any right or wrongs, but with that said, your own language will not change - it might expand, but not change. So there will (must) be consistency in your interpretations, otherwise your "conversations" with your tarot cards will become confusing and probably not of much use for guidance.

 

Me personally, I have not used "twin flames" as a way to interpret this card. I might see it as two very passionate people going in to business together. To me, wands are not so much about love, feelings and relationships - that would belong to the cups suit.

[sixofcups]

Thanks very much, both of you, for your replies. One of my favorite things about tarot in my experience thus far is the great diversity of ways people work with and view the cards. I appreciate your perspectives!

[Saturn Celeste]

Hi all. This is my first time here and first time posting, and I'm fairly new to tarot. Two of Wands came up in a reading I did recently, and based on its placement and the story forming around it, it suddenly occurred to me that it was Two of Fire and could be interpreted as Twin Flames. I'd love to hear if anyone else has had this feeling about Two of Wands.

I was always under the impression the 2 of Cups was the twinflames?

http://www.learntarot.com/c2.htm#actions

https://www.biddytarot.com/tarot-card-meanings/minor-arcana/suit-of-cups/two-of-cups/

 

[risingsun]

i think this is a great example of how a reader develops their own relationship and intuition with the cards. i could actually see how this could be interpreted as such. i think more relevance would be if the question was specifically about a relationship. and/or other 'love' type cards surrounded this. my thought is if this was you strongly got intuitively when reading this card, spirit, the universe, whomever you call was probably helping you out. that's just my two cents. 

[sixofcups]

Saturn Celeste[/member] , I have definitely heard many people associate 2 of Cups, as well as various other cards (one of my favorites is Temperance, whose imagery to me can be interpreted as the alchemy of two souls coming into union with divine guidance), with the concept of Twin Flame. Two of Wands doesn't seem to be among those usual associations, but it was interesting to me when I suddenly realized that it is the card of quite literally Two/Twin Fires.

[sixofcups]

risingsun[/member] , thank you! Yes, it does have special meaning for me now in certain contexts even if others might not have the same association. 

[Guest]

Yes, II of Wands is a sign of the Twin Flame

[gregory]

I don't see twin flames as anything other than New Agey fluff, so no, I don't get that from any card.

[katrinka]

1 hour ago, gregory said:

I don't see twin flames as anything other than New Agey fluff, so no, I don't get that from any card.

Very much this.

Why not read on whether you're going to have a good relationship with a particular person, or marry them or whatever, rather than nebulous concepts like "twin flames"?
 

1 hour ago, TheAlchemistsAbode said:

Yes, II of Wands is a sign of the Twin Flame

 

I have no idea how you're getting that from a card about dominion. Even with non-Golden Dawn systems, Wands are generally not viewed as a relationship suit.

[Guest]

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[DanielJUK]

I've moved this thread to the individual card studies area where it will fit in much better as we are just discussing a single card 🙂

[Eric13]

Maybe the original post those years ago was a little confused with the energy of fire in the Wands suit and seeing the two staffs, or the number two, but the card of Dominion, nor any other card in Tarot is about twin flames. And I don't even know what this twin flame talk is about myself. 

[Marina]

I don't understand deeply the concept of twin flames (is it the 21st century version of soulmate?), but I'd think a more relationship-oriented card would be more appropriate. Even a Major, considering it's likely an important connection between individuals. The 2 of Wands is not a particularly strong card (for me) and not one that speaks fo connection or any type of certainty... then again, my point of view comes from RWS-inspired decks, I know nothing about Thoth or other traditions.

[Raggydoll]

2 hours ago, marinaoracles said:

I don't understand deeply the concept of twin flames (is it the 21st century version of soulmate?), but I'd think a more relationship-oriented card would be more appropriate. Even a Major, considering it's likely an important connection between individuals. The 2 of Wands is not a particularly strong card (for me) and not one that speaks fo connection or any type of certainty... then again, my point of view comes from RWS-inspired decks, I know nothing about Thoth or other traditions.

I think "soulmates" and "twinflames" are meant to be two different things. I remember hearing someone trying to explain the difference to me. The only thing I think I remember is that twinflames are typically not in successful romantic relationships with one another, but rather that they are individuals who get entangled in complicated ways through every life time. Don't quote me on that, because I really don't know what I am talking about 😄

[Decan]

The 2 of Wands doesn't look really twin flames like; from what I read and understood about this particular topic (that's pretty superficial on my side though), I would say it's more a 7 of Cups stuff, no? Fantastic things can be seen in the 7 of Cups, whether real or imagined is another matter...

 

[Sadewa]

I tend to see the 2 of Wands in RWS decks as " you've got something, not bad, but I've seen better" seanarios. One has control over certain things/have certain achievements and may be in a fair position to consider their next move, but this card alone speaks more of the need/possibility of further plans rather than the succesful outcome of one's plans. Other cards in the spread might alter the interpretation, though.

 

Personally I don't do twin flames, as well. I have to admit that I did dream of soulmates seanarios but all I can say is that life has taught me better lol. But if we are to determine such desired connections with cards and I get the Two of Wands, I'd say it's not sufficient provide a confirmative answer, because, well, "there may be something, but that's not the best/ your ultimate wish". Again other cards would help pin down the situation.

And I agree with katrinka here:

16 hours ago, katrinka said:

Why not read on whether you're going to have a good relationship with a particular person, or marry them or whatever, rather than nebulous concepts like "twin flames"?

 

 

[katrinka]

On 11/16/2021 at 4:35 AM, Sadewa said:

I tend to see the 2 of Wands in RWS decks as " you've got something, not bad, but I've seen better" seanarios. One has control over certain things/have certain achievements and may be in a fair position to consider their next move, but this card alone speaks more of the need/possibility of further plans rather than the succesful outcome of one's plans. Other cards in the spread might alter the interpretation, though.

 

Yes, exactly. At the 2, he's just looking over his dominion and holding a globe. He's considering something, or wondering how something will play out. There are no results here, it's too early in the game. It could all go badly for him.

[katrinka]

On 11/16/2021 at 2:04 AM, Decan said:

The 2 of Wands doesn't look really twin flames like; from what I read and understood about this particular topic (that's pretty superficial on my side though), I would say it's more a 7 of Cups stuff, no? Fantastic things can be seen in the 7 of Cups, whether real or imagined is another matter...

 

 

@Decan - Congratulations, you just won the thread. This sums it all up perfectly! 😁

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[katrinka]

On 11/16/2021 at 12:26 AM, Raggydoll said:

The only thing I think I remember is that twinflames are typically not in successful romantic relationships with one another, but rather that they are individuals who get entangled in complicated ways through every life time.

 

I've seen that explanation too.
I have no idea why anyone would actively seek someone like that. The wiser course of action would be to do everything in your power to avoid, or at least minimize, your entanglement in such a dysfunctional relationship!

[Natural Mystic Guide]

On 12/2/2017 at 4:02 PM, sixofcups said:

it suddenly occurred to me that it was Two of Fire and could be interpreted as Twin Flames. I'd love to hear if anyone else has had this feeling about Two of Wands.

Yes, I use this interpretation for the Two of Wands.  I've written a lot about it -- more than I am going to share here.  Essentially, upright, it is a relationship between two people (not necessarily romantic) that is based on their passion for a certain mission that is outward oriented and in service to All That Is.  The reversed Two of Wands is quite a different thing and corresponds more to the fatalistic and frustrating nature of twin flames relationships as depicted in popular culture.  This is a relationship that is inward directed, obsessive, and selfish.  It distracts people from being able to live their true passions and do their mission work.

[cyberpunkkitty]

Follow your intuition but I haven’t heard this before. 

[Zig]

I had an epiphany about this card not long ago, which I'm going to share even though it doesn't fit in with the "twin flame" discussion. Referring to the PCS illustration, I suddenly saw it as capturing the axiom "as above so below". The character looks out at the world, and holds a model of the world. It's among my interpretation options now.

 

 

 

 

[November]

Hello, with the 2 Wands you want to go after something or someone, but for some reason you're hesitating.It's the "decision-making" phase, where you're still pondering things over.

Maybe you see the "twin flames" concept here, because actually Wands can represent what/whom you're attracted to/you're passionate about. 

Edited February 1, 2024 by November