New to Lenormand looking for a book about combinations.

[gregory]

And so would any keyword that came out of your fevered brain, probably !

[Guest]

@gregory Thank you for believing in me 😁 I do try to ponder on the meanings for a couple of days before I ask.

[gregory]

You are looking at the person who once got the 10 swords (tarot, of course) as meaning a happy marriage. The sitter got it, too.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Smilla said:

And when I search around that keyword existed for the card on a site somewhere.

If you search around, one can find endless lists: keywords and combination lists. Often contradictory, and invariably arbitrary.

 

For example, if the cartomante favours the Fox for career both the keywords and combination lists invariably focus on this domain. For love you might meet someone through work or with an interesting or successful career, they say. 

 

The same goes for cards 32, 34 and 35. 
 

But cards. 14, 32, 34 and 35 (or any other) do not “mean” work.
 

The issue you are experiencing is common until one gets to the core essence of each picture. Once that is understood, you will know its meaning —which is just essence read as function according to the context of the reading.

[katrinka]

On 8/19/2021 at 3:03 AM, Smilla said:

Thank you both! Yes, I try to think about not overthinking things. But, sometimes a card doesn´t fit until I get a suggestion from someone that knows more than me. And when I search around that keyword existed for the card on a site somewhere.

 

It comes in time.
People have this idea that they should be fluent in Lenormand in a few months time, since it looks so much simpler than Tarot. It isn't - look at how many threads there are here just trying to explain it.
The 10,000 hour rule applies. Just keep studying and practicing.
 

On 8/19/2021 at 4:31 AM, gregory said:

You are looking at the person who once got the 10 swords (tarot, of course) as meaning a happy marriage. The sitter got it, too.

 

That actually makes sense. I've known people who were always out at clubs and parties, until they got married and it was like they fell off the planet. 10 of Swords, that's it, game over.

They weren't going out for fun or because they enjoyed it. They were on a mission hunting for someone to marry. So for them, 10 of Swords could be exactly what you said.

I think even married people need an occasional night out as a rule, but I guess these people didn't. The chase was over and they were happy to stay in and watch TV every night, never to be seen or heard from again. 10S, lol.
 

On 8/19/2021 at 8:20 AM, mxlavender said:

If you search around, one can find endless lists: keywords and combination lists. Often contradictory, and invariably arbitrary.

 

The internet is useful. It's also stuffed with misinformation. And Lenormand can be much harder to fact check than current events or health information.
Searching around is not a good idea, I agree.
 

On 8/19/2021 at 8:20 AM, mxlavender said:

For example, if the cartomante favours the Fox for career both the keywords and combination lists invariably focus on this domain. For love you might meet someone through work or with an interesting or successful career, they say. 

 

The same goes for cards 32, 34 and 35. 
 

But cards. 14, 32, 34 and 35 (or any other) do not “mean” work.

 

Agreed. So many jobs involve doing the same thing over and over, and there's often a work contract of some kind, so why not the Ring? Why not the House for a realtor or the Coffin for a funeral director? Any card can be a work card in certain contexts.
 

On 8/19/2021 at 8:20 AM, mxlavender said:

The issue you are experiencing is common until one gets to the core essence of each picture. Once that is understood, you will know its meaning —which is just essence read as function according to the context of the reading.

 

This. Nail the essence and it will stretch to fit, without having to force anything.

Edited August 21, 2021 by katrinka

[Sar]

On 8/13/2021 at 2:00 AM, katrinka said:

 

Birds + Child is a pregnancy combo, but not if pregnancy is out of the question! If your sitter is past their childbearing years and also unlikely to be affected by someone else's pregnancy, it's time to find another interpretation for Birds + Child. And there are others. No Lenormand combo is limited to one, or even several interpretations. That's why combo lists are unimportant.

 

 

 

 

Bird  can be conversation, child can be immature together = gossip

 

Or a new couple, young couple, couple with a baby.

Edited August 19, 2021 by Sar

[DanielJUK]

This thread is so helpful. I do look up references for combinations and if I get stuck, I search google for the combinations but then they are out of context with the reading 😮

It's great advice to really learn the cards and then make combinations from the card meanings I know + the actual context.

[gregory]

On 8/19/2021 at 10:31 AM, gregory said:

You are looking at the person who once got the 10 swords (tarot, of course) as meaning a happy marriage. The sitter got it, too.

 

On 8/19/2021 at 3:21 PM, katrinka said:

That actually makes sense. I've known people who were always out at clubs and parties, until they got married and it was like they fell off the planet. 10 of Swords, that's it, game over.

 

Sure - but look for "meanings on line" and you will NEVER find anything that equates to that.

[Guest]

On 8/19/2021 at 10:31 AM, gregory said:

You are looking at the person who once got the 10 swords (tarot, of course) as meaning a happy marriage. The sitter got it, too.

 

On 8/19/2021 at 3:21 PM, katrinka said:

That actually makes sense. I've known people who were always out at clubs and parties, until they got married and it was like they fell off the planet. 10 of Swords, that's it, game over.

They weren't going out for fun or because they enjoyed it. They were on a mission hunting for someone to marry. So for them, 10 of Swords could be exactly what you said.

I think even married people need an occasional night out as a rule, but I guess these people didn't. The chase was over and they were happy to stay in and watch TV every night, never to be seen or heard from again. 10S, lol.

Colette Silvestre associated tens with power of action and success. Paired with swords, Silvestre noted that one has the courage and strength to overcome challenges and achieve a successful end.
 

Here is one of her summaries of the card:

 

Un changement rapide et heureux s'annonce avec une fin de luttes et difficultés de toutes les situations. 

 

In another there was an warning of the possibility of regrets.  But armed with a partner, marriage can be a force to be reckoned with.
 

I’ve thought that the six, eight and nine are far more malefic than the ten(Marseille style).

 

On 8/19/2021 at 3:21 PM, katrinka said:

The internet is useful. It's also stuffed with misinformation. And Lenormand can be much harder to fact check than current events or health information.
Searching around is not a good idea, I agree.

Sadly, certain sources cast long shadows.  Much of the information is derivative from where certain functions have become meanings and processes dogma. 

 

On 8/19/2021 at 3:21 PM, katrinka said:

Agreed. So many jobs involve doing the same thing over and over, and there's often a work contract of some kind, so why not the Ring? Why not the House for a realtor or the Coffin for a funeral director? Any card can be a work card in certain contexts.

Yes. Contrary to popular belief, I have no vendetta against the Fox or Anchor (in 2010/11, I noted the Fox can indicate cash-in-hand and casual self-employment). But no card means work.
 

Confusing the cartes maîtresses and meanings is to confuse the paintbrush with the painting. 
 

On 8/19/2021 at 3:37 PM, Sar said:

Bird  can be conversation, child can be immature together = gossip

 

Or a new couple, young couple, couple with a baby.

Yes.  But gossip is somewhat generic.  The Letter can indicate gossip — lots of people telephone, text or e-mail to pass on some tittle-tattle.  The Birds + the Child is more tall stories or téléphone sans fil.  
 

It could also indicate minor tantrums or upsets that pass.  Even butterflies in the stomach.
 

The Birds can indeed indicate a couple but it should be connected to a social card.  
 

Edited August 22, 2021 by Guest

[Guest]

2 hours ago, mxlavender said:

The Birds + the Child is more tall stories or téléphone sans fil.

Do you mean the physical cordless phone or is there another meaning to téléphone sans fil I am not aware of?

[Guest]

15 hours ago, treppatey said:

Do you mean the physical cordless phone or is there another meaning to téléphone sans fil I am not aware of?

It refers to a game where you whisper down a line and see if it becomes somewhat distorted. Basically, distorted gossip.  

[Guest]

That one. Stille Post ( =silent mail). Thank you.

The analogy makes sense. Did it show in its literal form when doing parties?

Edited August 23, 2021 by Guest
briskness

[Guest]

41 minutes ago, treppatey said:

That one. Stille Post ( =silent mail). Thank you.

The analogy makes sense. Did it show in its literal form when doing parties?

Not for me. But it does crop up for gossip that is distorted or not quite right.
 

The Letter for me is a telephone call, Zoom, FaceTime, Skype, e-Mail, SMS, letters and so on.  
 

The Letter + the Bird does crop up a lot for poor reception which can result in a misunderstanding. I have a lovely client who is rather hard of hearing and it crops up for her a lot lol 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, mxlavender said:

The Letter + the Bird does crop up a lot for poor reception which can result in a misunderstanding.

Same. Here, it is often about news beeing ill-received for they make - how to say? - "the recipients blood-pressure rise, so cold reason fails".

As a result, double the amount of words needed to communicate the issue.

...

Somehow, I get the impression that regional traits, like the temperament of the people, do show in the interpretation.

(just to clarify, this is not taken from your lovely client example, rather, it was in my mind for some time and just popped in now)

[gregory]

2 hours ago, mxlavender said:

It refers to a game where you whisper down a line and see if it becomes somewhat distorted. Basically, distorted gossip.  

YAY Chinese Whispers.

 

Famous example, an alleged military command:

 

Send reinforcements; we are going to advance became Send three and fourpence. We are going to a dance.....

 

Gossip can be that dangerous !

[katrinka]

1 hour ago, gregory said:

YAY Chinese Whispers.

 

Famous example, an alleged military command:

 

Send reinforcements; we are going to advance became Send three and fourpence. We are going to a dance.....

 

Gossip can be that dangerous !

Yes. We actually call the game "Gossip" here.

The cows were grazing in the pasture became The cows were kissing in the pasture.

Which elicited peals of laughter at the age we were then. We could barely pass it on. 😁
 

[Guest]

Hi again! 😉

 

What do you all think about "Lozzy’s Complete Guide To Lenormand" ?

[katrinka]

She has a pretty deck.
As for the information on the site, she might improve at some point in the future. It's not as bad as some, but it's wonky and I don't really recommend it. I never heard of her until fairly recently. I don't think she's ready to teach.

She has multiple choice quizzes at the site with questions like "Which card's meaning might include creativity?" If you don't choose the Moon for that one, she counts it as a miss, even though the Moon is about recognition and evening, and Bouquet might be a better fit - it's a flower arrangement, after all. I don't think any longtime reader would get through those quizzes without "missing" any. Some of that is due to the different ways that people read, but I think a good many of her "correct" answers are just wrong.

The whole site is like that, not completely horrible but inexperienced and kind of "off". It's a 'no' from me.

[Guest]

@katrinka Thank you for your opinion!