Conver Deck with Inscriptions

[_R_]

2 hours ago, gregory said:

Great to see you, @_R_.

 

What about that Justice thing ? Am I on to anything at all here ? (I have some French, but I suspect not good enough...)

 

 

 

 

Oh yes, hello: I'd forgotten that one. It crops up regularly in these manuals.

"Propriety" is the word (usually); "property" i.e. land is given as "terre" by Etteilla, so context is important to distinguish between which meaning is indicated, and knowing the source or tradition is helpful.

 

The "egg of Brahma" I thought might be a giveaway as to which tradition is being drawn on, but although it crops up in occultist works, it is not associated to the Tarot in any of the "classics" as far as I can tell. There might be other clues though (Hebrew letters etc).

[Raggydoll]

6 hours ago, _R_ said:

 

Synthesis, Egg of Brahma, Quatuor, F clef, alchemical sulphur.

 

= Universal Being

 

Thank you so much!
 

The F clef is the one I don’t understand. Can someone enlighten me? 

[Raggydoll]

2 hours ago, _R_ said:

 

Oh yes, hello: I'd forgotten that one. It crops up regularly in these manuals.

"Propriety" is the word (usually); "property" i.e. land is given as "terre" by Etteilla, so context is important to distinguish between which meaning is indicated, and knowing the source or tradition is helpful.

 

The "egg of Brahma" I thought might be a giveaway as to which tradition is being drawn on, but although it crops up in occultist works, it is not associated to the Tarot in any of the "classics" as far as I can tell. There might be other clues though (Hebrew letters etc).

It’s very good to have you here again! What are the main traditions that you were considering for this particular deck/set of keywords? 

[gregory]

6 hours ago, Raggydoll said:

Thank you so much!
 

The F clef is the one I don’t understand. Can someone enlighten me? 

 

Doesn't it simply refer to a key ?

[_R_]

7 hours ago, Raggydoll said:

The F clef is the one I don’t understand. Can someone enlighten me? 

 

As far as I can make out, it says: "clef de 𝄢" i.e. "F clef" as in the musical notation. I may be wrong though. 

 

7 hours ago, Raggydoll said:

It’s very good to have you here again! What are the main traditions that you were considering for this particular deck/set of keywords? 

I haven't checked, but I would guess something like Papus, P. Christian, Falconnier, Wirth, along those lines.

[fire cat pickles]

This thread has really taken off! I have been following with interest absolutely. Thank you all so much for participating. Just wanted to pop in and say that.

[fire cat pickles]

F Clef, if it does say that, would be a musical reference. (The two dots in the music clef surround the line that the "F" note is situated on in the bas clef). :

 

 

 

Edited June 20, 2022 by fire cat pickles

[Raggydoll]

1 hour ago, fire cat pickles said:

F Clef, if it does say that, would be a musical reference. (The two dots in the music clef surround the line that the "F" note is situated on in the bas clef). :

 

 

 

I think it might well say that.
 

My initial thought is that maybe it’s a kabbalistic correspondence. I do remember that Paul Foster Case had a list of notes for each of the majors and he surely wasn’t the first one. I found an article that may or may not be relevant. It does talk about older sources that use a similar system. 

 

 http://www.labirintoermetico.com/06Numerologia_Cabala/Correlation_Sound_Color_Kabbalah_P.F.Case.pdf

 

But also, since it is scribbled in that particular spot and on that particular card, it feels very much like Christian hermeticism. 

[Flaxen]

38 minutes ago, Raggydoll said:

My initial thought is that maybe it’s a kabbalistic correspondence. I do remember that Paul Foster Case had a list of notes for each of the majors and he surely wasn’t the first one.

In The Qabalistic Tarot by Robert Wang, F Sharp is the sound related to Justice and The Empress. F Natural is assigned to The Hermit. 

[gregory]

Could it simply be clef (key) de (of) - and that character after it is the same as the Hebrew letter top left, rather than an F ? 

 

OR could it relate back to F-Fool ?

[_R_]

19 minutes ago, gregory said:

Could it simply be clef (key) de (of) - and that character after it is the same as the Hebrew letter top left, rather than an F ? 

 

 

That was my initial thought, but it doesn't look like a Hebrew letter, as far as I can tell, and it doesn't look like an alchemical symbol either.

[Raggydoll]

I guess we’ll have to do a seance to find out. 

[gregory]

You don't think it looks a little like the letter top left  (Tav ? I don't pretend to be good at this stuff....)

[Raggydoll]

Something just occurred to me, in regards to the world card and the “key”. Can it not just be the glyph for Leo? I mean, it sits right next to the lion, and those four creatures are thought to represent the fixed signs of the zodiac. And it kind of looks like a Leo glyph too.. 

[gregory]

Nice one !

[Raggydoll]

😀

 

Let’s do some of the others 

 

(If I accidentally repeat any of the ones that’s already been featured - sorry, I blame it on lack of caffeine..)

 

 

Okay, so Jugement is reconnaissance. From what I gather, this can mean several things. Collins dictionary says 

 

1.  [de mérite] recognition

reconnaissance professionnelle professional recognition

2.  [de faute, culpabilité] acknowledgement

3.  (= gratitude) gratitude

4.  (Military) reconnaissance ⧫ recce

en reconnaissance on reconnaissance

 

Do let me know what’s meaning you think is most probable. 

Lumière - simply ‘light’?

 

Immortality 

[Raggydoll]

Victory

 

Intelligence

 

Reversibility

 

Other than these, it’s ‘death’ for Death and ‘sacrifice’ for le Pendu, ‘Force’ for Force, ‘0’ for Le Mat. I *think* that sums them all up.

 

Is anyone interested in looking at the few minors that had notes on them? I believe it’s mostly identifying flowers and leaves etc. but I think it might be nice to go over them too. 

 

 

[fire cat pickles]

Thank you @Raggydoll for taking charge and the lead on this. I totally meant to but life got in the way, and other threads, too... Spread myself too thin I believe. The response and responses have bee wonderful. Thank you to everyone, too, for participating so far! 

 

 

Edited June 22, 2022 by fire cat pickles

[gregory]

1 hour ago, Raggydoll said:

😀

 

Let’s do some of the others 

 

(If I accidentally repeat any of the ones that’s already been featured - sorry, I blame it on lack of caffeine..)

 

 

Okay, so Jugement is reconnaissance. From what I gather, this can mean several things. Collins dictionary says 

 

1.  [de mérite] recognition

reconnaissance professionnelle professional recognition

2.  [de faute, culpabilité] acknowledgement

3.  (= gratitude) gratitude

4.  (Military) reconnaissance ⧫ recce

en reconnaissance on reconnaissance

 

Reconnaissance is gratitude here, I think

 

 

[Raggydoll]

13 minutes ago, fire cat pickles said:

Thank you @Raggydoll for taking charge and the lead on this. I totally meant to but life got in the way, and other threads, too... Spread myself too thin I believe. The response and responses have bee wonderful. Thank you to everyone, too, for participating so far! 

 

 

I was a bit worried that maybe you’d think I was taking over 🙈 It’s just that I got enthusiastic about the topic and couldn’t help

myself 🤪🤓

[Raggydoll]

47 minutes ago, gregory said:

 

Reconnaissance is gratitude here, I think

 

 

Thank you! When it mentions recognition.. is it only in the sense of professional recognition (fame, status etc) or can it also be recognition as in ‘recognizing the truth’? I was thinking that Jugement has that aspect of coming to the truth; recognizing ones own true nature etc. But maybe that isn’t covered by reconnaissance? 

[gregory]

I think maybe one can take recognition in whatever way it fits - but I'd agree that coming to the truth fits best.