52ravens Posted February 10, 2018 Author Posted February 10, 2018 Great news, below are the next three. Judgement is a little different as I worked the rebirth angle with the butterfly so hopefully it works :))
Starlight Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 Great news, below are the next three. Judgement is a little different as I worked the rebirth angle with the butterfly so hopefully it works :)) I love the sun - I can see both positive and negative interpretations in it just as it is. :) (This is a good thing, I mean!) I like the Moon too - the wolf howling could be interpreted as grief, or instinct, or fear. It's also got that dreamy quality with the mist. Yes, this works for me, too.
52ravens Posted February 11, 2018 Author Posted February 11, 2018 ok, so here are 3 options for the judgement card, am I making the reflection meaning too literarily? haha Let me know your thoughts, thank you for all your help, it really means a lot, I have to hand out a few free copies if this project gets funded ;)
Starlight Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 ok, so here are 3 options for the judgement card, am I making the reflection meaning too literarily? haha I really, really like the first one with the woman looking into the mirror. Depending on the reading, I know that her expression can be interpreted different ways. She could be looking at herself with forgiveness, or a bit more sternly as if to say, See things clearly!; or just looking at herself with concentration and coming to an understanding of the part she played in the events in her life. The butterfly is the soul/psyche so that brings in the rebirth aspect and it's nice that it's there hovering near her, as if no matter what state she's in, it is there with her. The third image had me stumped for a moment, but now that I look at it clearly I see that it's similar to the first image, but taken in a slightly different direction. I love that we see the person in two different ways - her physical body and her reflection in shadow - and that's clever! Her reflection in shadow. And the blue sky behind her silhouette gives the impression of heaven behind her, which I really like, too. The butterfly needs some extra colour to stand out against the background. I thought image 1 was my favourite, but I think image 3 has captured my imagination now! :D Your interpretations of the cards, the way you've portrayed them, is very distinct from the RWS. As you share your images, I'm taking a second look at the cards and seeing new things in them, new ways to read them. I can only speak for myself, but I often find that my intuition will latch onto a detail in an image and then I know there's a story there to interpret. And then these new interpretations get added to what I've already learned and can be accessed even with other decks, if needs be. With cards 1 and 3, I can't make up my mind which I prefer. They both have a lot to offer!
52ravens Posted February 11, 2018 Author Posted February 11, 2018 With cards 1 and 3, I can't make up my mind which I prefer. They both have a lot to offer! Haha this is the problem I was having, we need a referee! Thank you for the huge input, you have no idea how much this helps
faerybraids Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 I love the Sun and Moon! The moon actually makes me a bit uncomfortable for some reason (I think it's how front-and-centre the wolf is), but it almost makes me love it more because of it. Reminds me of the discomfort you can feel when pondering your mental health and all the baggage that comes with that... (It's weird to think I've basically written that it makes me feel queasy in a good way. Wth.) As for Judgement, hmmmmm... I'm stuck between two and three! I think I love them both as artwork, but would choose option two for a tarot card itself I think. There's just something about that's drawing me into it. I think a lot of it is that it reminds me of staring in a mirror reflecting on myself and hearing all those little judgements ring through my head--the little attacks on my behaviour, my image, my clothing, my anything--and how they lead to that final question of what my final judgement could be--would death be it or would there be something after? and what would that something be? What change would there be? Why is it all happening? And, perhaps most importantly, what do I do now? It's the culmination of all these things that, I find, leads to that epiphany of knowing what you need to do, what changes you need to make. So I feel like this representation strikes to the heart of the card in a manner (though I can totally see others not feeling the same way if they haven't had similar experiences to what I have). Like, in the end that butterfly can be rebirth as something strong and beautiful, or (and I don't know how many people have this interpretation of it) it could symbolise that fragility that leads to quick death, because even though butterflies are beautiful and can withstand a lot for their size and structure they're still just that--butterflies with fragile wings. Not all get the chance to be beautiful or survive. Some people look in that mirror and choose to look away instead of resolve to do what they need to do, thinking they're too weak or undeserving or unworthy of being that delicate little creature so many find so beautiful. Some people refuse to look in the mirror at all. Others still have had it obscured for them by others intending to help them, so they can't actually see what needs to be done. In the end all end up like a butterfly that isn't strong enough to survive: a beautiful yet pitiful creature on the ground you can only feel sorry for. (So, I guess what I'm trying to get at is that you've got a built-in negative or reversed meaning that some of us may pick up on easily because of our own past experiences. I appreciate that.) In contrast, option three is just... For me it feels too literal, almost, like although there's this great reflection symbolism there's little depth else to it. There is something there. I just... I don't know, I don't connect with it as easily, at least not in terms of Judgement. It's beautiful and deep in a different way to me. Option one I'm really not a fan of for some reason. :/
52ravens Posted February 13, 2018 Author Posted February 13, 2018 Its as though Starlight[/member] and faerybraids[/member] are competing for the longest post haha! Not that I'm complaining, this is really useful content, and I love how you each of you are connecting with the different options, but I feel we still need a someone to give the final vote. If not, I'm heading for version 3, this is because it is the most obvious as you both have said. This only tells me that 1 and 2 are harder to connect with for some people as you both relate individually to 1 or 2, but 3 is the quickest as the meaning is clear (though slightly boring). It will always be difficult to find a balance, as I think I have to appeal to the wider audience. Unless someone new to the vote can sway me away haha
Starlight Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 Well, you can't say we didn't show any interest!! No competition, I just think you created a card that spoke to us, and we're trying to explain why. :)
faerybraids Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 Well, you can't say we didn't show any interest!! No competition, I just think you created a card that spoke to us, and we're trying to explain why. :) This right here. :D That second option just struck something when I saw it and, because of the raw emotional aspect of it, it was a bit difficult to put into words. (I've loved that about his whole thread, actually--seeing how other people connect differently and how they articulate that connection.)
Starlight Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 Me too, faerybraids[/member] ! The more time I spend interacting on threads and talking about various cards and reading others' perspectives, the more I learn. :)
52ravens Posted February 14, 2018 Author Posted February 14, 2018 Happy Valentines Day to you all <3 I know I should wait to see if anyone else has any opinions on the judgement card before I just go with version 3, but I really want to get going haha So below are the next 3 cards. I have a feeling that the world card is going to be a big fat NO, though I thought with the name and the hand under the card it gives the impression that the world/creation is complete... yes, no? Any idea other than the RWS standard would be a great help. Hopefully on the minor cards I'm closer to the meanings as the ace of cups is where I was when I started this original forum post and got my fingers burnt ;D
faerybraids Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 Starlight[/member] Definitely! Same here. :D 52ravens[/member] I actually kinda love that World card. ;D I would almost say you don't even need the hand in there.(Or maybe even just centre the world more than the hand, so the world's more of the focus.) For me a lot of the World is about connection, whether to completion (e.g. of a project or stage in life) or something more intangible like community or the universe itself, and I feel the pretty glowy effects you have going on communicates that brilliantly. I also really like the Ace of Wands! I think that one's fine as-is. The Two of Wands... It reminds me of my Royo Dark Mini's version in a way. I wasn't sure of it at first, but it's growing on me--it seems to speak of being comfortable with a choice that's been made, like there's a certain serenity to knowing what's been done and that the only way to move (at least at the moment) is forward. I quite like it. (This is honestly a card that fascinates me in general because I've read of so many people interpreting it so differently, and so many decks seem to depict it differently as well. My Royo Dark Mini speaks of a similar comfort and resignation to a choice having been made whereas my Starchild Akashic very much puts it at the point of making that choice instead. And then there are other decks that take it from different angles again.) Sorry I can't elaborate a bit more! I'm on my phone right now. I'm definitely open to expanding on any of what I've wrote if you'd like. (I also wish someone else had commented re: Judgement! Or several. I'm so curious to find out what others think about the options.)
Starlight Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 I think The World is great, as is the Ace of Wands. The Two of Wands is lovely, as well, although I the scene she's looking onto is indistinct and fuzzy. Two of Wands is about potential and development, an energy building that just needs channelling, and a decision as to what that channel will be. Or as, Faerybraids has mentioned, that is the interpretation in some decks, not all, so you may be thinking of a different interpretation which is why that LWB will be so useful! :) ETA: I'm not sure if this is a focus for you, but I notice that the Ace of Wands features a blue sky and mountains, whereas the Two of Wands is quite dusty looking. Were you thinking of keeping the same 'theme' or colour scheme/setting running throughout each of the suits?
CharlotteK Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 Going back to Judgement... I've half written a response several times and then I go back to them again. I ruled 1 out and I want to say 3 to make life easier for you but it feels a little too pedestrian. So I vote for 2! I really like the mystery of it. I had to look closely to see the partial face. The butterfly stands out when you look at it. It's the most intriguing and so for me the most useful. It's fits the best with the vibe of the rest of the deck. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
52ravens Posted February 15, 2018 Author Posted February 15, 2018 YES! CharlotteK[/member] has the deciding vote! Lets go with version 2. I'd be happy with 3 but it is a little obvious. Were you thinking of keeping the same 'theme' or colour scheme/setting running throughout each of the suits? That was something I didn't think of doing and it would look great but I feel it will restrict what I can do with each card if I give it too many rule to work by. I'm struggling to keep the meanings to the cards as it is. Plus I'm a little deep into the creation of the deck with Wands, Pentacles and half of Cups complete ;D I actually kinda love that World card. ;D I think The World is great Haha I'm so bad at this, I really thought the world card was going to be a no from you guys! But I'm really happy that it can stays as it is. TWO OF WANDS - Again, I'm limited with the resources I have available to me, so trying to capture potential and development is tough, what would your thoughts be on adding a glowing orb in her left hand to show a form of tool? Or may be a castle in the distance? Any ideas? THANK YOU ALL FOR THE AMAZING HELP YOU SUPPLY, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR POINTS OF VIEW AND OPINIONS ON THE DESIGN AND MEANINGS ;)
faerybraids Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 52ravens[/member] Hmmm, I'm not sure on adding an orb to her hand (maybe I'm just not visualising it the way you are), but changing up the view could definitely work! Starlight's post got me thinking last night, so I pulled out the card from my Royo Dark Mini and looked at it for a bit. It's got a clouded sky as well, but the moon shines bright behind the clouds and the smoke from the burning city below--and the character stands on a precipice overlooking it all, calm and resigned, almost looking like they're meditating on the moment. It's clear that what's done is done and they need to follow the choice they've made (there's no indication whether they're mourning, refused to help defend the city or even set the city alight themselves--it all depends on the reading it shows up in). I'm not sure just sticking fire in somewhere would do anything (◔◡◔❀), but maybe something as simple as the blaze of a sunrise could work in a similar way? It feels like it would mingle the 'building energy' depiction with the 'choice already made' one in a way: sunrises are known for the energy they bring and they're commonly associated with beginnings and potential, and in many stories they're when a character either makes a choice to set off on their journey or is starting off already having made their decision to. (So like, I dunno, maybe you could stick the sun in the lower-right so it's peeking out over the wall or something? I feel like the light hovering just over the wall already indicates a sun low there, or is that just me?) Does that help at all? (◕◡◕❀)
Starlight Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 TWO OF WANDS - Again, I'm limited with the resources I have available to me, so trying to capture potential and development is tough, what would your thoughts be on adding a glowing orb in her left hand to show a form of tool? Or may be a castle in the distance? Any ideas? I know where you're coming from with the glowing orb - it echoes the world the man is holding in the RWS - but I'm not sure it would work in this instance. It might look like a crystal ball and that would change the interpretation completely. I wonder if a different stance for the figure would work? Her head up, perhaps, looking at something in the background? I don't know about the castle. Perhaps she could be holding a carrier pigeon? Or some sort of hunting bird? What do you think, faerybraids[/member] ? CharlotteK[/member] ?
52ravens Posted February 17, 2018 Author Posted February 17, 2018 Starlight[/member] and faerybraids[/member], thank you both for your inputs, super helpful as aways. Here is what I had in mind with the castle. Hopefully with the wands in her hands she looks more determined, taking in the scene of the castle burning, as though this event is focusing her mind to finally do something. What do you think?
Little Fang Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 I actually really like that depiction. She's making a decision and she knows she has to go do it. (Save the castle? Help the people?) The reversed works well and really brings out the whole fear of the matter. YES.
faerybraids Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 That card is awesome!! I miss the colours of the other one, but the determination tinged with consideration (or confusion, or apprehension? I'm getting them all at once!) in this one more than makes up or it. :D
52ravens Posted February 18, 2018 Author Posted February 18, 2018 Just wondering: Is the castle on fire? Yes, it was the easiest way to show danger at a distance, to allow the character to ponder on what needs to be done ;) Little Fang[/member] and faerybraids[/member] - I'm glad this fits better, I had more fun with this version, it definitely feels like it has a story to it, who said Hogwarts?! haha In celebration, here are 3 more to look over. Are the colours on 4 too bright? I think the virbrace works for this card but see what you think.
Starlight Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 3 of Wands works for me! With the 4 - a few more people (even in the distant background) would help here. The colour looks fine to me, and is in keeping with a celebration or homecoming. The 5 - this looks like a group of people practising their martial skills together which is slightly different from the 5 of Wands where everyone seems to be fighting each other in a very tangled, confused way. This looks more like they have an ordeal ahead that they need to prepare for. Other than, lovely!
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