Is tarot about guidance or fortune telling?

[GreatDane]

Strange timing as I just saw this online.  Just wondering if this adds anything to what others think about tarot?  So just sharing because seems on topic.

 

How to read tarot cards with Michelle Tea : Life Kit : NPR 

[Misterei]

@GreatDane

I am SO SICK of this drivel:

 

<<As tarot reader and writer Michelle Tea puts it, some people mistakenly come to tarot for a prediction of the future, when it's really about self-reflection. "If you're a person that wants to integrate more spirituality into your life or to look at life a bit more philosophically, it's a great tool to even just pick a daily card.">>

 

Please. All these "modern" readers who define tarot as psycho-spiritual navel gazing [which is fine if that's your jam ... but limiting and arrogant to DEFINE tarot as such for everyone].

 

Tarot CAN do predictions in the hands of a skilled reader and there's NOTHING WRONG with using it predictively [in an ethical way].

These modern psychological readers have a lot of gall to define what is tarot.

They ignore 100s of years of history.

I've been reading longer than most of them have been alive. They are so full of themselves they don't know what they don't know.

 

Edited November 9, 2023 by Misterei

[fire cat pickles]

1 hour ago, Misterei said:

I am SO SICK of this drivel

Indeed. Who died and made her queen?

 

I am unabashedly a Fortune-teller. Admittedly I am guilty of New-Age bashing here and there and have had my hand slapped, so what's good for the goose, etc. So perhaps I should stop right there 😉

 

 

Edited November 10, 2023 by fire cat pickles

[Tanga]

8 hours ago, Misterei said:

@GreatDane

I am SO SICK of this drivel:

Tarot CAN do predictions in the hands of a skilled reader and there's NOTHING WRONG with using it predictively [in an ethical way].

These modern psychological readers have a lot of gall to define what is tarot.

They ignore 100s of years of history.

I've been reading longer than most of them have been alive. They are so full of themselves they don't know what they don't know.

 

My word Misterei! 🙂.     What's wrong, is one may not want to admit to the most evil hocus pocus of seeing into the future 🤣.

 

 

7 hours ago, fire cat pickles said:

Indeed. Who died and made her queen?

 

I am unabashedly a Fortune-teller. Admittedly I am guilty of New-Age bashing here and there and have had my hand slapped, so what's good for the goose, etc. So perhaps I should stop right there 😉

 

 

🤣🤣🤣🤣.  Indeed 👑

 

I am not a predictive reader... or well - that's what I say to most people who nervously ask me about whether they are going to receive The Death Card if I read for them. One client said - YES read for me - BUT - I don't want to know anything bad!   Such a conversation!

However of course - prediction just slips through. Lol.

 

I once had a newbie tarot lady (or maybe not so newbie) shake her head and point out that she wasn't ashamed to have her business card also be her Tarot business card.  Hmm. Well - was I ashamed 🤔, I wonder.   No ✋ of course I should just walk around with Tarot on my Manual Lymphatic Drainage (Vodder Method - who's current home in at the Wittlinger School in Austria) business card.  Then I'd have to take photographs of the faces of all the nurses, G.P.s and other more mainstream thinkers who looked at that card - and capture them deciding that they are definitely not approving their patients into my loony bin care.

 

I like what Nemia said here:

"In my personal opinion, tarot works like the Royal Prerogative of the British monarch: it can encourage, warn and give counsel, and if you heed the advice of the cards, you'll design your own outcome."

[akiva]

9 hours ago, Misterei said:

<<As tarot reader and writer Michelle Tea puts it, some people mistakenly come to tarot for a prediction of the future, when it's really about self-reflection. "If you're a person that wants to integrate more spirituality into your life or to look at life a bit more philosophically, it's a great tool to even just pick a daily card.">>

What makes me laugh, and also what I've never understood is: you can't avoid prediction even if you just want to naval gaze!

 

Let's say you wanted to do a daily card to prepare you internally for the day ahead. And you get the Tower... The reading that then follows is advice given that only exists because the Tower predicts a certain type of event(s), whether they're external or internal. 

 

9 hours ago, Misterei said:

They ignore 100s of years of history.

I've been reading longer than most of them have been alive. They are so full of themselves they don't know what they don't know.

More like millennia if you look beyond tarot and include things like astrology (which probably got hit the worst, especially in the west!)

Whole practices that's spanned cultures, countries and history that get diminished by a select few who think they know best! 😶 

 

It kind of feels like when people say "oh but I only read for internal issues", what they're really saying is: "don't laugh at me I read tarot". It feels like either an insecurity, or a cop out.

 

Though could also be an echo chamber thing. If enough people start shouting 'predicting the future is bad' into the void, it bounces back tenfold.

 

9 hours ago, fire cat pickles said:

I am unabashedly a Fortune-teller. Admittedly I am guilty of New-Age bashing here and there and have had my hand slapped, so what's good for the goose, etc. So perhaps I should stop right there 😉

Have you found in your own journey that the two styles of reading (advice/prediction) aren't so separate?

 

I've found that usually there'll be some sort of advice included in the spread. Or the advice sought predicts something as a result... Either way you can't escape the predictions 🔮😆

 

[fire cat pickles]

8 minutes ago, akiva said:

Have you found in your own journey that the two styles of reading (advice/prediction) aren't so separate?

 

I've found that usually there'll be some sort of advice included in the spread. Or the advice sought predicts something as a result... Either way you can't escape the predictions

No of course not. There is always advice that comes in with the predictive side. And when I do my own readings (for myself) its usually to get advice/guidance from the cards. This is probably the source of my frustration when I hear the "my way or the highway" philosophy of "tarot must be use only for {fill in the blank}". The other side (of the argument) certainly doesn't or won't "add" prediction to theirs, and is vocal about speaking out against, in fact. Predictors don't often speak out against the "let's curl up in a Cinnabon and seek guidance only" tarot method, now do we? No one should be telling anyone else how to use a tool for divination. It's no different than someone interpreting, say, the Bible one way and saying that it can only be interpreted the One Way, It's Fundamentalism, plain and simple. Call it what it is.

 

 

Edited November 10, 2023 by fire cat pickles

[akiva]

10 minutes ago, fire cat pickles said:

This is probably the source of my frustration when I hear the "my way or the highway" philosophy of "tarot must be use only for {fill in the blank}". No one should be telling anyone else how to use a tool for divination. It's no different than someone interpreting, say, the Bible one way and saying that it can only be interpreted the One Way, It's Fundamentalism, plain and simple. Call it what it is.

I have to agree with you on all of that. It's the old pitfall of believing thoughts are universal, not relative. Without descending into new age bashing, it is ironic that the new age movement is no different to what came before! 

 

I'm trying to imagine a minchiate reader from times gone state to their client that they don't do predictive readings!

[DanielJUK]

32 minutes ago, akiva said:

What makes me laugh, and also what I've never understood is: you can't avoid prediction even if you just want to naval gaze!

 

This is so true . Like if you look at those self-improvement or spreads, it's all like "who am I? "who will I become?" there are always positions which are future facing, sometimes subtlety! They just mean no "fortune-telling", will this happen? type readings.

 

I think like any area, divination and tarot goes in phrases. So we had a big "psychological" era, this was also happening in astrology and other sections. I suspect the reason for this was really a type of self-therapy and finding ourselves in the modern world. This really began over the 2000's in a big way. Some classical readers in tarot, astrology and others, always balked at this idea. Psychology being added is a relatively modern thing. This is trend is changing now, I suspect since the pandemic and people are going back to fortune-telling and predictions. People need security and reassurance ahead, these are shaking up times! I am definitely seeing a resurgence of good old-fashioned (whispers it) fortune-telling.

 

Some areas of the internet and divination communities became really horrible with psychological reading. Fortune-telling was so frowned upon and impossible or not accurate. On this forum we have always said to respect each other whatever you think. Whatever method that works for you! I hope we move to that sort of era, gate keeping methods and how you do a reading is a horrible thing. Even if you don't agree with how someone is reading, just let them carry on with their own journey.

 

I was just opening up and exploring a new tarot deck I got earlier in the year. I'm not going to name it but in the accompanying book, the artist / creator advises about the purpose of the tarot deck. I found it so frustrating and limiting as they go on about it's a tool of the self and self-reflection and guidance. Also saying its purpose has none of that old-fashioned predicting or fortune-telling stuff. Here's the thing, a deck can be whatever you want it personally to be! Your personal self-therapy or analysis tool, a prediction method, meditation tool, daily affirmation, firewood, art for your home, coasters for your cups! It's whatever you want it to be and you can use it in a way that helps you.

[akiva]

5 minutes ago, DanielJUK said:

This is so true . Like if you look at those self-improvement or spreads, it's all like "who am I? "who will I become?" there are always positions which are future facing, sometimes subtlety! They just mean no "fortune-telling", will this happen? type readings.

These were the spreads I had in mind! I've seen someone go "I don't do predictive readings" and then straight away do a reading on the outcome of a relationship 🤣

 

14 minutes ago, DanielJUK said:

I think like any area, divination and tarot goes in phrases. So we had a big "psychological" era, this was also happening in astrology and other sections. I suspect the reason for this was really a type of self-therapy and finding ourselves in the modern world. This really began over the 2000's in a big way. Some classical readers in tarot, astrology and others, always balked at this idea. Psychology being added is a relatively modern thing. This is trend is changing now, I suspect since the pandemic and people are going back to fortune-telling and predictions. People need security and reassurance ahead, these are shaking up times! I am definitely seeing a resurgence of good old-fashioned (whispers it) fortune-telling.

Maybe the style of reading is a result of societies response to what's going on at the time? It could then explain why people are fortune telling more as a result of the pandemic 🤔 if people feel more uneasy about the future then they want to know what's ahead. Where as before it could of been about understanding our place in the world?

 

25 minutes ago, DanielJUK said:

Some areas of the internet and divination communities became really horrible with psychological reading. Fortune-telling was so frowned upon and impossible or not accurate. On this forum we have always said to respect each other whatever you think. Whatever method that works for you! I hope we move to that sort of era, gate keeping methods and how you do a reading is a horrible thing. Even if you don't agree with how someone is reading, just let them carry on with their own journey.

I like that on this forum everyone's style of reading gets a voice. Often in other communities the fortune-telling readers are the quietest for fear of being burned at the stake 🤣

 

27 minutes ago, DanielJUK said:

I was just opening up and exploring a new tarot deck I got earlier in the year. I'm not going to name it but in the accompanying book, the artist / creator advises about the purpose of the tarot deck. I found it so frustrating and limiting as they go on about it's a tool of the self and self-reflection and guidance. Implying the purpose has none of that old-fashioned predicting or fortune-telling stuff. Here's the thing, a deck can be whatever you want it personally to be! Your personal self-therapy or analysis tool, a prediction method, meditation tool, daily affirmation, firewood, art for your home, coasters for your cups! It's whatever you want it to be and you can use it in a way that helps you.

That does sound frustrating. This idea of black and white, binary thinking is like, the antithesis to tarot to me. More particularly tarot in a self help capacity. Self help is about being impartial. Imagine seeing a therapist who was as biased and closed minded? 🤣 

 

Do you find it still works for prediction? I would imagine you'd need to make your own system if it was created with self reflection in mind?

[Tanga]

10 minutes ago, DanielJUK said:

46 minutes ago, akiva said:

Though could also be an echo chamber thing. If enough people start shouting 'predicting the future is bad' into the void, it bounces back tenfold.

 

Well - historically it has bounced back & is still in the subconscious for many - remember that any information sort not via the path of, & within the constraints of the one God sitting up on that cloud - must be evil.  So, one cannot suffer a witch to live - particularly if you are secretly visiting one yourself and don't want anyone else to use their services (can't remember who that was in the bible now).

 

Burn Ettiella's millions!  🤣

 

DanielJUK said:

"...Also saying its purpose has none of that old-fashioned predicting or fortune-telling stuff. Here's the thing, a deck can be whatever you want it personally to be! Your personal self-therapy or analysis tool, a prediction method, meditation tool, daily affirmation, firewood, art for your home, coasters for your cups! It's whatever you want it to be and you can use it in a way that helps you."

 

Yes!  

[DanielJUK]

10 minutes ago, akiva said:

Do you find it still works for prediction? I would imagine you'd need to make your own system if it was created with self reflection in mind?

 

I haven't done my first reading with it yet, but might first give it a run by using it for some predictive readings for things that may happen in 2024 🤣😈

[GreatDane]

WOW  I AM SO glad I posted that link!  I thought it might generate some posts, but this is why I post things.  I just want to know others thoughts.  I don't post things I agree or disagree with, just things I find that hopefully will encourage a conversation and this one sure did 🙂  And THAT is what my goal is with posting a thread.  To get peeps talking and sharing their thoughts, so thanks TAROT PEEPS!   I enjoyed reading your comments.

Edited November 10, 2023 by GreatDane

[Misterei]

On 11/9/2023 at 4:50 PM, fire cat pickles said:

Indeed. Who died and made her queen?

I am unabashedly a Fortune-teller. Admittedly

Amen. Me too. And we're in good company. The ORACLE OF DELPHI told fortunes.

16 hours ago, akiva said:

What makes me laugh, and also what I've never understood is: you can't avoid prediction even if you just want to naval gaze!

... It kind of feels like when people say "oh but I only read for internal issues", what they're really saying is: "don't laugh at me I read tarot". It feels like either an insecurity, or a cop out.

... Though could also be an echo chamber thing. If enough people start shouting 'predicting the future is bad' into the void, it bounces back tenfold.

@akiva that's an interesting point. No WONDER they seem so smug and hypocritical. They ARE sliding down that slippery slope into predictions ... just pretending that they aren't.

And yes ... I've often felt this stance was the refuge of sub-par readers. "Please don't take me seriously since I'm not good at it and don't really know what I'm doing yet"

The echo chamber phenomenon prolly has alot to do with the proliferation of this infernal "tarot isn't for predictions" meme. I don't think it would have gained traction except amongst the terminally online crowd repeating it to each other as gospel.

16 hours ago, fire cat pickles said:

... Predictors don't often speak out against the "let's curl up in a Cinnabon and seek guidance only" tarot method, now do we? ... saying that it [tarot] can only be interpreted the One Way, It's Fundamentalism, plain and simple ...

LOL well I AM a vocal critic of the "let's curl up in a Cinnabon and seek guidance only"  crowd. And yes ... on a deep level I speak out b/c they remind me of bible thumpers or koran thumpers or devout athiests. If you want to be a fundie ... fine ... but please leave Tarot out of your narrow restrictive world view.

 

15 hours ago, DanielJUK said:

... if you look at those self-improvement or spreads, it's all like "who am I? "who will I become?" there are always positions which are future facing, sometimes subtlety!

So ... subtle hypocrisy 😉

 

@DanielJUK said

<<I think like any area, divination and tarot goes in phrases. So we had a big "psychological" era, this was also happening in astrology and other sections ... Psychology being added is a relatively modern thing>>

 

The psychologicalization of tarot and astrology started with Jung, I think. It started gaining traction in the 1970s[???]

One reason I like Vedic astrology ... it hasn't suffered the same level of psychologizing that western astrology did.

Tarot was used for divination probably as early as 1527 ... and was used this way for nearly 500 years until some terminally online folks in the 2000s decided it wasn't to be used this way ... OY!

@DanielJUK said

<<This is trend is changing now, I suspect since the pandemic and people are going back to fortune-telling and predictions. ... I am definitely seeing a resurgence of good old-fashioned (whispers it) fortune-telling.>>

 

Really? I'm glad of it.

 

@DanielJUK said <<Some areas of the internet and divination communities became really horrible with psychological reading. Fortune-telling was so frowned upon and impossible or not accurate>>

 

I suspect many of the psychological crowd are inexperienced readers who got inaccurate results when they tried predictions ... so they decided NO ONE should do predictions ... rather than put nose to grindstone and actually 8 Pents WORK AT IT.

 

15 hours ago, akiva said:

... I've seen someone go "I don't do predictive readings" and then straight away do a reading on the outcome of a relationship

I know, right?

I quite like your point that if we're going to be honest ... there's no way to fully "sanitize" the prediction and mystery out of tarot ... in spite of recent efforts to do so.

Edited November 11, 2023 by Misterei

[KiMo]

If there's one thing that gets my goat, it's reductiveness and the dismissal of something as at best irrelevant or at worst nonsense, because it can't be 'understood'.

 

I've had a think about this thread since reading it through and I feel that what it boils down to is a good old fear of the unknown. And I say that at the risk of sounding superior, it's really not meant in that way at all. Of course we're all scared of the unknown, but what use is it to draw a line around something, proclaim its limitations, and turn our back on the unknown in an effort to pretend it's not there? 

 

I have absolutely no issue with the use of tarot as a method of self inquiry, if it's a tool that people feel can help them grow and heal and move past blockages, that's wonderful. Just don't build walls around it for everyone else because you personally don't want to look past that. Tarot is a tool, and there's room for that tool to be utilised in any number of ways for each practitioner, in the way that is beneficial to them (as long as they're not hurting others or taking advantage of them). 

 

For me the key word here is divination, reaching out to and ultimately connecting with the divine (in whatever form that takes for the individual) in order to glean information that we wouldn't otherwise be able to know. That's powerful stuff, and maybe scary for some because it's not tangible or controllable. They can't measure it, hold onto it or put a framework around it. 

 

Linked to all of this is the fear of being ridiculed or of being an outcast, and in turn having lost faith in one's own personal gnosis. We've become so reliant on the word of the powers that be, and that's sometimes for the better but sometimes for the worse in that we don't know how to trust ourselves anymore. 

 

So in short, use the tarot in the way that is good for YOU. Be good to yourself and others. Live with an open heart and an open mind. Do the work, trust what you learn for yourself, and don't be afraid of having your own beliefs as well as thoughts.

 

Hopefully that all made at least a bit of sense!

[ljmack]

Most of the questions I'm asked by clients are directed at telling the future.  It is during the reading when we talk about the past and the undercurrents the reading is detailing that we get into guidance by the cards.  So, in truth, both the future telling and guidance happens in a reading.

[akiva]

On 11/11/2023 at 2:31 AM, Misterei said:

that's an interesting point. No WONDER they seem so smug and hypocritical. They ARE sliding down that slippery slope into predictions ... just pretending that they aren't.

I don't even think that they realise they do it. It takes a decent amount of self awareness to catch yourself doing things like that! 

 

On 11/11/2023 at 2:31 AM, Misterei said:

And yes ... I've often felt this stance was the refuge of sub-par readers. "Please don't take me seriously since I'm not good at it and don't really know what I'm doing yet"

The echo chamber phenomenon prolly has alot to do with the proliferation of this infernal "tarot isn't for predictions" meme. I don't think it would have gained traction except amongst the terminally online crowd repeating it to each other as gospel.

It's like if enough people start saying something it sounds true and you end up feeling validated, whether it is true or not. 😂

 

I kind of feel it's newer readers too. Like when you first start something you're full of other peoples opinions and haven't quite forged your own path yet. Everything is gospel at that stage. 

 

On 11/11/2023 at 2:31 AM, Misterei said:

I know, right?

I quite like your point that if we're going to be honest ... there's no way to fully "sanitize" the prediction and mystery out of tarot ... in spite of recent efforts to do so.

Sanatize is a good word. It's exactly the case though. You can't escape time, we live in it.

We have an innate desire to know the future and have done since day dot. I think this is why it always ends up bleeding out into these naysayers spreads 😂 it's like we are programmed to wonder about the future and what it brings.

[Misterei]

11 hours ago, akiva said:

... We have an innate desire to know the future and have done since day dot ... it's like we are programmed to wonder about the future and what it brings.

Let's indulge in some conjecture. To serve nature, humans just need to eat, ****, and reproduce. Like monkeys.

What sets us apart?

The first cave man wanted a little EXTRA EDGE to know where are the bison herds so I can hunt?

The first cave woman wanted a little EXTRA EDGE to know where are the best berries to pick? When am I going to get pregnant and will I have enough food to survive it?

The psychic abilities of humans were born from this hunger to know the future.

It's hard wired in our DNA.

Religion and philosophy came MUCH later than throwing bones to see which direction leads to food.

 

[akiva]

46 minutes ago, Misterei said:

The first cave man wanted a little EXTRA EDGE to know where are the bison herds so I can hunt?

The first cave woman wanted a little EXTRA EDGE to know where are the best berries to pick? When am I going to get pregnant and will I have enough food to survive it?

It's possible divination was also entwined with medicine practice, it certainly seems that way with medicine people (shamans) and the like. A lot of human survival probably came from such linked practices. 

 

51 minutes ago, Misterei said:

The psychic abilities of humans were born from this hunger to know the future.

It's hard wired in our DNA.

Religion and philosophy came MUCH later than throwing bones to see which direction leads to food.

That's possible, though if we're talking early man it's possible it was simultaneous. They had way more primal/natural/totemic beliefs and divination fits with that better than more the modern censorship focused belief systems. They were in touch with the natural source. Reading patterns and omens would of been second nature to them. Especially with things like bones and what not.

[Aeon418]

Playing Devil's Advocate.

 

If the present moment is the outcome of all past causes, does a predictive Tarot reading in the present allow me to subvert that process going into the future? Or does it just make me aware of the "razor edge" of the present?

 

But have I not already influenced the chain of events with the Tarot reading itself, which instantly becomes another past cause behind the next present moment?! And did I even have a choice in the first place? 😵

 

Btw. I'm not expecting anyone to resolve the conundrum of free will versus determinism. But it does have implications for Tarot reading that often go unexamined. 

 

[Tanga]

5 hours ago, Misterei said:

The psychic abilities of humans were born from this hunger to know the future.

It's hard wired in our DNA.

Religion and philosophy came MUCH later than throwing bones to see which direction leads to food.

 

I think that psychic abilities are in the DNA - like the way birds know where to fly each season & salmon know how to swim upstream back to their birthing pools.  And all the civilising and religion makes us second guess/doubt/question what it is exactly.

 

1 hour ago, Aeon418 said:

Playing Devil's Advocate.

 

If the present moment is the outcome of all past causes, does a predictive Tarot reading in the present allow me to subvert that process going into the future? Or does it just make me aware of the "razor edge" of the present?

 

But have I not already influenced the chain of events with the Tarot reading itself, which instantly becomes another past cause behind the next present moment?! And did I even have a choice in the first place? 😵

 

Btw. I'm not expecting anyone to resolve the conundrum of free will versus determinism. But it does have implications for Tarot reading that often go unexamined. 

 

Exactly. All of the above.

[akiva]

6 hours ago, Aeon418 said:

If the present moment is the outcome of all past causes, does a predictive Tarot reading in the present allow me to subvert that process going into the future? Or does it just make me aware of the "razor edge" of the present?

Does this not assume time is linear, as in A-B? What if time is simultaneous/integrated and we just perceive is linearly because of our ego?

 

6 hours ago, Aeon418 said:

But have I not already influenced the chain of events with the Tarot reading itself, which instantly becomes another past cause behind the next present moment?! And did I even have a choice in the first place? 😵

Is this not a bit like Schrodinger's cat? Does the event influence the reading or does the reading influence the event? Because you could argue that you're already influenced enough to do the reading in the first place 🤣

 

On the topic of influence though... What about predictive readings for a greater length of time, with a large number of cards, like a GT? Readings with such a large time frame and amount of cards would be way more difficult to influence time (or for the querent to influence things), and yet still can come about as true/accurate.

Do you think the time could still be influenced by the querents actions with such a distant reading method?

[Chariot]

Predictive reading can be scary, because it can show you things from 'outside' that you have no control over, have had no warning about, yet will massively influence your life.  While learning how to control the things you CAN control (via self-reflective readings), it's also important to recognise there are many things you can't control—that will happen in spite of anything you do.  A self-reflection approach can be excellent and helpful BUT if there is something coming that you have no control over, you will be thrown in at the deep end and you'll need to learn to swim very quickly.

That's why I think it's very important to learn as much as you can about any card or group of cards that doesn't seem to 'fit' the situation you think you are dealing with in your reading.  It may be telling you something is coming you're not aware of yet. That's where intuition (and a clarifying card) can be of immense help, as well as a specific Advice card.

 

I also think this is why it's important to journal your readings, so you can go back and look at them later on, once the total picture emerges.   The help a tarot reading can give you isn't confined to only one day, is it?  Things change, but I strongly believe 'the cards don't lie.'  If part of my reading makes sense (usually past and present issues), then I always assume the rest of it does as well—even if I can't see what it's referring to ...yet.  It can be scary.

[Saturn Celeste]

11 hours ago, Tanga said:

I think that psychic abilities are in the DNA

I would say it is intuition that is in our DNA.  How we use it is up to us.

[KiMo]

2 hours ago, Chariot said:

Predictive reading can be scary, because it can show you things from 'outside' that you have no control over, have had no warning about, yet will massively influence your life.  While learning how to control the things you CAN control (via self-reflective readings), it's also important to recognise there are many things you can't control—that will happen in spite of anything you do.  A self-reflection approach can be excellent and helpful BUT if there is something coming that you have no control over, you will be thrown in at the deep end and you'll need to learn to swim very quickly.

This is a much gentler and more understanding angle than what I wrote in my post, which looking back was probably unfairly impatient!

[Tanga]

3 hours ago, Chariot said:

Predictive reading can be scary, because it can show you things from 'outside' that you have no control over, have had no warning about, yet will massively influence your life.  While learning how to control the things you CAN control (via self-reflective readings), it's also important to recognise there are many things you can't control—that will happen in spite of anything you do.  A self-reflection approach can be excellent and helpful BUT if there is something coming that you have no control over, you will be thrown in at the deep end and you'll need to learn to swim very quickly...

This.  And there's also self-fulfilling prophesy.  Tread with finesse.

 

1 hour ago, Saturn Celeste said:

I would say it is intuition that is in our DNA.  How we use it is up to us.

That's the one. Intuition and psychic are the same thing imo - just on a different part of the scale.

And being on different parts of the scale - may, or may not mean, that one can suitably push along the scale with practice (more imo).

Edited November 14, 2023 by Tanga