Tower reverse as outcome

[Guest]

The tower card as an outcome 

Tower RV- averting disaster, delaying disaster or imprisonment.

[DanielJUK]

I always think this can go two ways.

 

Firstly avoiding the destruction. The Tower falls but everyone is out and far away from it or maybe the lightning bolt misses. This is a near miss or a lucky escape. So it is adverted.

Secondly, it doesn't happen. The Tower causes change, it can be awful but it brings change to our lives. Possibly a new cycle or freedom from something that wasn't working out. Reversed is a stagnant kind of energy, where you end up stuck. It could also be resisting change but you cannot move on unless it happens. I have seen people write it means confinement or imprisonment but I would see as it in a situation.

 

[FindYourSovereignty]

11 minutes ago, DanielJUK said:

Firstly avoiding the destruction. The Tower falls but everyone is out and far away from it or maybe the lightning bolt misses. This is a near miss or a lucky escape. So it is adverted.

Yes, like getting a new job before discovering your last company is closing or you were soon to be let go. Or calling off the wedding to later discover the other person was cheating or in debt way over their head. 

I think how one establishes their connection with reversals can make a difference in the interpretation. This is an interesting thread about reversals 

 

 

I also think the reversed possibility is a warning that something is crumbling down around us, but we refuse to see it or embrace it. Like, what have we built up as so valuable and important in our lives that needs to or is on the verge of coming down, but we keep somehow holding it up, putting the pieces back together, but there is no real strength or value? Like the politician running for office and has few supporters or runs out of funds, but keeps campaigning, or the spouse who caught their partner cheating, but stays in the marriage because they aren’t able to handle being alone or don’t feel worthy enough to leave. Basically, we are delaying the inevitable change or delaying responding to the change. 

 

[Guest]

@DanielJUK I do see the tower as an event too. I see the reverse the way you see it. It I a disaster that is avoided. To me, it is a near miss event that makes you question everything. You can either stay in that situation or realize that it could've cost yo everything and crumble your entire world. For example, you intuition might have been telling you something is not right. You experience an event afterwards that showed you that all you've thought before might me correct. If you don't listen to your intuition after that event than you get hit by the bus (the tower right). I see the the tower reverse as the situation where you get some confirmation that you may be right and should listen to your intuition. If you keep resisting the change than you get the tower upright.

 

 

 

[Guest]

14 hours ago, FindYourSovereignty said:

I also think the reversed possibility is a warning that something is crumbling down around us, but we refuse to see it or embrace it. Like, what have we built up as so valuable and important in our lives that needs to or is on the verge of coming down, but we keep somehow holding it up, putting the pieces back together, but there is no real strength or value

@FindYourSovereignty Yes, I can see that part.

 

I would see the tower in reverse as almost catching your spouse cheating. Maybe you walked in the house and you see him with your friend and she looks flustered and you suspect something. You bring it up and they both say no nothing happened. She was out for a run and decided to stop by to see you, but you wasn't home. The wife believes it.bi think the tower in reverse would be for the husband and her friend. 

[DanielJUK]

2 hours ago, DantorPriestess said:

@DanielJUK I do see the tower as an event too. I see the reverse the way you see it. It I a disaster that is avoided. To me, it is a near miss event that makes you question everything. You can either stay in that situation or realize that it could've cost yo everything and crumble your entire world. For example, you intuition might have been telling you something is not right. You experience an event afterwards that showed you that all you've thought before might me correct. If you don't listen to your intuition after that event than you get hit by the bus (the tower right). I see the the tower reverse as the situation where you get some confirmation that you may be right and should listen to your intuition. If you keep resisting the change than you get the tower upright.

 

Although, you need to see how it occurs in context. Obviously this is a general discussion. It can be an event but sometimes is emotions, a personality or however it might appear in a reading! Cards can appear in many ways, I wouldn't want to say they can only be one way. They can be very nuanced with a spectrum of how they can occur 🙂 .

[Guest]

@DanielJUK How do you know if you are reading an emotion while reading tarot?

[Misterei]

22 hours ago, FindYourSovereignty said:

... a warning that something is crumbling down around us, but we refuse to see it or embrace it. Like, what have we built up as so valuable and important in our lives that needs to or is on the verge of coming down, but we keep somehow holding it up, putting the pieces back together, ... Like the politician running for office and has few supporters or runs out of funds, but keeps campaigning, or the spouse who caught their partner cheating, but stays in the marriage because they aren’t able to handle being alone or don’t feel worthy enough to leave. Basically, we are delaying the inevitable change or delaying responding to the change.

I don't read reversals per se ... but this take on tower resonates with Tower as Ketu's card. Ketu (south node) is a malefic that causes sudden changes and upheavals in mundane life--often painful or tragic--but it wants to spiritualize your life. It's trying to help you release your limited ego or materialistic attachments. Thus Tower rx is not accepting that Ketu is trying to help you grow spiritually.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Misterei said:

It's trying to help you release your limited ego or materialistic attachments

I think so too. It is like when the universe is trying to teach you a lesson and you don't learn it, each time the lesson is repeated it gets worse and worse.

Can you explain what you mean by limited ego?

 

 

[Misterei]

21 minutes ago, DantorPriestess said:

Can you explain what you mean by limited ego?

If we take the "soul" as some spark of the divine that dwells in a human ... the soul is infinite and unbounded. It's the part of human consciousness which may possibly continue beyond physical death. It might be a thread that connects a single consciousness through multiple incarnations, for example.

 

Limited ego is the personality. We need it to get by in life ... we must look out for our own interests to survive the material plane.

But it's limited. It dies when our bodies die. If we incarnate with a new body ... also we will have a new personality.

Edited September 23, 2023 by Misterei

[Guest]

@Misterei Okay, I understand. Thank you.

[DanielJUK]

14 hours ago, DantorPriestess said:

@DanielJUK How do you know if you are reading an emotion while reading tarot?

 

You have to look at the other cards and the question that was asked. People ask  "what is X's feelings for me?" or in a love reading, it can mean emotions. So it depends on the question, position and the surrounding cards 🙂

[Nemia]

I usually read the Tower as a structure in our lives that tumbles and crumbles, setting free a lot of destructive energy. It's not pleasant to experience it and it will take time to get used to a life without this structure (which might be anything: a personal relationship, life circumstance or belief). In retrospect, you may find that you get along quite well without the Tower and the bricks spread all around can be used to build something new and better. After a while, you'll be able to deal with the Tower situation, but while it happens, you'll feel powerless and overwhelmed. 

 

Reversed - this could mean a number of things. It may mean that the timing is different - the Tower has fallen already some time ago and you deal with the aftermath, or it is about to tumble and you have enough warning to save yourself from getting hit by the debris. This is the way Joan Bunning reads reversals, as lower amplitudes of the cards either before or after the energy of the card is at its highest. 

 

Benebell Wen uses the WIND acronym. 

 

W stands for Weakened Energy - that's more or less how Joan Bunning reads it. The Tower will turn out to be Towerlet, the tiger a kitten, you'll get a mini version of the card's energy. 

 

I stands for Inverted - the opposite energy, so instead of destruction, the Tower will bring a lot of constructive new energy. I confess that I never found this way of reading reversals convincing. For me, inversion can also mean that instead of suffering the Tower event yourself, you'll inflict it on somebody else. 

 

N stands for Negative - you'll get the negative consequences of a card but not the positive ones. This is more relevant for positive cards. 

 

D stands for Delayed - again, close to Joan Bunning's interpretation. 

 

So what is it? It depends on the reading, the question, and the experiences you have had with this card. If you fear it, you may give it more power than it deserves. 

 

The best way to find out is probably to play with it a bit and go through the possibilities. You may even wish to write down different scenarios on different pieces of paper and use a pendulum to see which way it swings. 

 

You may also simply look at the card itself and focus on what you see. Are there people falling from the Tower? What is their position, now that the card is on its head? Are there weird shapes? How does the card relate to other cards in the spread? Which direction is it falling (or not, depending on the deck)? How does all this make you feel? 

 

Such a reading where you go through different scenarios feels a bit like a therapy lesson when you're suffering from a flying phobia. What is the worst possible outcome, what is the best? It's important to close such a reading on a positive note. Write everything down, take a picture of the reading, and close it with an affirmation. Don't fear the worst outcome, don't focus only on the soft aspects. Keep it real. Most likely, the outcome will be somewhere in the middle between the worst and the best, and you'll be able to deal with it.