Atu X - The Wheel of Fortune

[ViviennePrintice]

WTF! Is this is a Tarot reading forum or am I in church?

And, the satanist Crowley had nothing to do with Salvation. Good grief.

[Aeon418]

3 minutes ago, CasandraKnowsThings said:

WTF! Is this is a Tarot reading forum or am I in church?

And, the satanist Crowley had nothing to do with Salvation. Good grief.

 

Like it or not, the Thoth Tarot was intended to be a pictorial summary of an entire spiritual system. I admit that many readers have little or no interest in the underlying principles that inform the design of the deck and use it merely for the purposes of fortune telling. To each their own.

[smw]

4 hours ago, Aeon418 said:

 

This is where I think there is fundamental misunderstanding about enlightenment. It is commonly and erroneously seen as a way to anesthetize oneself to the problems of life. But in reality it is the exact opposite.

I wasn’t really meaning that -  more that life and all its attachments are of importance. So maybe we are closer to the same page after all. 
 

4 hours ago, Aeon418 said:

Having released their attachment to the Wheel, the Master must nevertheless unconditionally accept it all. This is one reason why the Eye in the Triangle symbol is inferred on Atu X - Fortune.

That makes sense. After all, both pain & pleasure come through the physical senses that make life liveable. 
 

* I have just bought a cheap copy of Frater Achad’s Chalice of Ecstasy,  unfortunately he came to mind with  his  very early attempt to  cross the abyss, and later madness.

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[smw]

3 hours ago, CasandraKnowsThings said:

WTF! Is this is a Tarot reading forum or am I in church?

And, the satanist Crowley had nothing to do with Salvation. Good grief.

Chill…😉 

 

Take me to Church…🎵🎵

[Aeon418]

On 5/28/2024 at 7:23 PM, smw said:

That makes sense. After all, both pain & pleasure come through the physical senses that make life liveable.

 

While simultaneously being the root cause of suffering. We avoid pain and chase pleasure. This is what the Buddha called desire. His remedy, summed up in his Four Noble Truths, is ending suffering by ending desire. Supposedly, it is this cessation (nirvana) that stops the spinning of the Wheel. However, there is a paradox within the Four Noble Truths as pointed out by Brook A. Zyporyn in his book, Emptiness and Omnipresence.

• It is by ending desire that suffering is ended.
• But desire, by definition, is the attempt to get away from some suffering.
• Desire is the desire to end suffering.
• Therefore: it is by eventually ending the desire to end suffering that suffering can be ended!

Put another way, suffering can only be ended by no longer trying to end suffering! It is only the acceptance of suffering that finally ends suffering.

 

Compare this with Entelecheia's description of the Saints of Thelema who appear on Atu XI - Lust, having poured their individuality into the Cup of Babalon.

 

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".... the Saint. They having sacrificed their individuality, meaning, there is no longer anything standing between them and the universe. Their hearts are open, and they unconditionally affirm existence. Regardless of whatever misfortune befalls them, they no longer experience resentment. While they may not be free of physical pain, they are free of existential despair."

 

This goes back to the James Eshelman quote right at the start of this thread, where he talks about simultaneously transcending the Wheel while living within its whirling patterns. It is the acceptance and unconditional affirmation of ALL that creates the Eye in the Triangle on Atu X - Fortune. And is the reason why Crowley calls this card a "Unity of supreme attainment and delight."

 

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Follow thy Fortune, careless where it lead thee.
The axle moveth not: attain thou that.

 

"Careless" and "Attain" in one package. That sounds like another paradox.

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[smw]

9 hours ago, Aeon418 said:

 

While simultaneously being the root cause of suffering. We avoid pain and chase pleasure. This is what the Buddha called desire.

 

I was just thinking about contentment being not quite the same as pleasure, sitting somewhere in the middle 

 

9 hours ago, Aeon418 said:

 

His remedy, summed up in his Four Noble Truths, is ending suffering by ending desire. Supposedly, it is this cessation (nirvana) that stops the spinning of the Wheel. However, there is a paradox within the Four Noble Truths as pointed out by Brook A. Zyporyn in his book, Emptiness and Omnipresence.

• It is by ending desire that suffering is ended.
• But desire, by definition, is the attempt to get away from some suffering.
• Desire is the desire to end suffering.
• Therefore: it is by eventually ending the desire to end suffering that suffering can be ended!

Put another way, suffering can only be ended by no longer trying to end suffering! It is only the acceptance of suffering that finally ends suffering.

 

Compare this with Entelecheia's description of the Saints of Thelema who appear on Atu XI - Lust, having poured their individuality into the Cup of Babalon.

 

 

This goes back to the James Eshelman quote right at the start of this thread, where he talks about simultaneously transcending the Wheel while living within its whirling patterns. It is the acceptance and unconditional affirmation of ALL that creates the Eye in the Triangle on Atu X - Fortune. And is the reason why Crowley calls this card a "Unity of supreme attainment and delight."

  
This snippet from a reviewer on Amazon  seems to be saying something along the same lines? 
 

Ziporyn shows how the Lotus radically reframes the doctrine of transmigration and the idea of rebirth through infinite lifetimes to show that all beings are on a path to Buddhahood—all beings are “buddhas in the making” over the course of infinite lifetimes. 
 

I thought that the triangles also could be Buddhas moving throughout the infinite circles of eternity, acceptance of perpetual suffering as inevitable progress. 
 

9 hours ago, Aeon418 said:

“Careless" and "Attain" in one package. That sounds like another paradox.

that makes me scratch my head whenever I see it…

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[smw]

19 hours ago, Aeon418 said:

“Careless" and "Attain" in one package. That sounds like another paradox.

Paradoxes are so annoying and fascinating!

 

I’m not sure careless/attain is  like the desire paradox. Suffering and desire are binary polar opposites, so the paradox only applies within that posited framework. So of course, the end of one leads to the end of the other because they are already decided as the only two co-existing relevant factors. 
 

Careless and attainment are not necessarily opposites, though  careless suggests a lack of effort while attainment is positive. Closer to nothingness (neg) & something (pos)
 

Contentment would fit this position better, or reduce the paradox, because it does not have the activity of pleasure, it has stillness, or passive quality which is an attainment of sorts. 😋

Edited June 6, 2024 by smw

[Aeon418]

3 hours ago, smw said:

Careless and attainment are not necessarily opposites, though  careless suggests a lack of effort while attainment is positive. Closer to nothingness (neg) & something (pos)

 

"Follow thy Fortune, careless where it lead thee." But we do care. We care a lot! So much so that we try to maintain as much control over our lives as we can. And yet, despite all our efforts, life has an annoying habit of just happening anyway whether we like it or not. As Crowley says in the Book of Lies, chapter 22 - "It is Pure Chance that rules the Universe; therefore, and only therefore, life is good." But it doesn't seem very good when our world is suddenly turned upside down by an unforeseen turn of events.

 

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It would be narrow to think of Jupiter as good fortune; he represents the element of luck. The incalculable factor. This card thus represents the Universe in its aspect as a continual change of state.

 

Everything is in a constant state of change. Atu X - Fortune, presents us with an image of life as a whirling maelstrom in constant motion. Crowley saw two options in this situation: Renunciation or acceptance of life as it is. Initially he followed the Classical Buddhist path of the renunciate who tries to find peace by removing themselves as much as possible from causes and conditions that are destined to cause pain and distress when they inevitably change. 

 

But later on he turned this on its head with Thelema. Rejecting renunciation as life denying cowardice he went in the opposite direction of radical acceptance of change. Instead of obsessively trying to control events, one uses life circumstance as a medium for authentic self expression or love under will, in which every life event is seen as union with Nuit or Babalon.

 

This should be compared to Atu XV - The Devil, who represents the "complete appreciation of all existing things. He rejoices in the rugged and the barren no less than in the smooth and the fertile. All things equally exalt him. He represents the finding of ecstasy in every phenomenon, however naturally repugnant; he transcends all limitations; he is Pan; he is All."

 

This begins to sound like another paradox. If one opens oneself up to an open hearted experience of life, doesn't this run the risk of becoming some sort of human doormat that life wipes its feet upon? Only if you forget the Will. To the extent that one is able to release the ego's grip on life, the True Will fills the void like the Axle of the Wheel. 

 

3 hours ago, smw said:

Contentment would fit this position better, or reduce the paradox, because it does not have the activity of pleasure, it has stillness, or passive quality which is an attainment of sorts. 😋

 

That sounds suspiciously like the Satiety of the 10 of Cups. Desirable but it won't last. Sooner or later a there will be a spanner in the works. It doesn't take much for contentment to turn into confinement. Every supposed perfection becomes oppressive or unsatisfying after a while. Life is change.

[Aeon418]

17 hours ago, smw said:

Ziporyn shows how the Lotus radically reframes the doctrine of transmigration and the idea of rebirth through infinite lifetimes to show that all beings are on a path to Buddhahood—all beings are “buddhas in the making” over the course of infinite lifetimes. 
 

I thought that the triangles also could be Buddhas moving throughout the infinite circles of eternity, acceptance of perpetual suffering as inevitable progress. 

 

I've had a dig through Ziporyn's book, and the closest thing I can find is his discussion of the present moment recontextualizing the past. This is based on the Lotus Sutra (chp.2), where the Buddha declares that he only teaches Bodhisattvas. Later on in chapter 10 he says that anyone who reads or hears the Lotus Sutra is automatically a Bodhisattva and therefore assured of future Buddhahood. The inference drawn from this is that one's chance encounter with the Lotus Sutra in this life must have its roots in a past life. Therefore, because one is now assured of future Buddhahood, one must have been a Bodhisattva throughout all of one's past lives.

 

(Some of this material is extracted from Ziporyn's book and used as the introduction to the recent Kosei Publishing edition of the Threefold Lotus Sutra.)

 

Perhaps this might be profitably compared with Liber A'ash, verses 35 to 37 that mention the creation of links in the Infinite Chain. A single link of which is depicted on Atu X - Fortune. Except in this case the Wheel is not a symbol of universal suffering. Rather it is the body of Nuit herself. And the triangle is a symbol of continued aspiration towards Her through life after life (towards Mastership?)

 

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35.  And in all shalt thou create the Infinite Bliss, and the next link of the Infinite Chain.

36. This chain reaches from Eternity to Eternity, ever in triangles— is not my symbol a triangle?— ever in circles— is not the symbol of the Beloved a circle? Therein is all progress base illusion, for every circle is alike and every triangle alike!

37. But the progress is progress, and progress is rapture, constant, dazzling, showers of light, waves of dew, flames of the hair of the Great Goddess, flowers of the roses that are about her neck, Amen!

 

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[smw]

18 hours ago, Aeon418 said:

Perhaps this might be profitably compared with Liber A'ash, verses 35 to 37 that mention the creation of links in the Infinite Chain. A single link of which is depicted on Atu X - Fortune. Except in this case the Wheel is not a symbol of universal suffering. Rather it is the body of Nuit herself. And the triangle is a symbol of continued aspiration towards Her through life after life (towards Mastership?)

 

 

 

Yes ! that is what I was wondering about, the similarity to the concepts of the links of infinite chain you quoted from Liber A'sh at the beginning of the thread. Perhaps the reviewer of Ziporyn's book was drawing on his own understanding of Buddhism and how all beings work towards that process, as an inevitability. 

 

The triangle shaped crossed legs of the Hanged Man  and the circle of the Ankh of eternal life he is hanging from comes to mind.

Edited June 7, 2024 by smw

[smw]

22 hours ago, Aeon418 said:

 

"Follow thy Fortune, careless where it lead thee." ,

 

 

That sounds suspiciously like the Satiety of the 10 of Cups. Desirable but it won't last. Sooner or later a there will be a spanner in the works. It doesn't take much for contentment to turn into confinement. Every supposed perfection becomes oppressive or unsatisfying after a while. Life is change.

 

That would depend on the context IMO and also the elements of activity versus non- activity

 

I see the Satiety as being the end result of lots of activity, such as gratifying delicious meals, an abundance of sex, a full blown indulgence in emotional feelings. You might feel spent and happily tired - for now. But you have had enough ( too much!)  and the cycle for these desires are ready for change. The error is thinking that this hiatus is  'spiritual peace' when it is just being overfull and bloated with excess. And fiery Mars is on its way...

 

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Mars is the gross, violent and disruptive force which inevitably attacks every supposed perfection. His energy displays the greatest possible contrast with that of Pisces, which is both peaceful and spiritualised

 

 

What I am thinking of with 'contentment', is that it is the space between the two binary desire  polarities mentioned earlier,  pain and pleasure or in eastern terms, suffering and desire. Both these poles work with (traditional masculine) active properties. Something is occurring, a movement  in time, senses in the physical, and both produce feelings or desires of wanting or not wanting. 

 

In contrast contentment while possibly a result of positive productivity - I'm thinking  after a cleaned house, or creative/work projects , it does not have to be. It is not active in itself, or specifically in time or space. There is no sense of future wanting, or past concerns. Or satiation of physical sensations that relate to activity. Possibly  it relates to the position of unknowingness, or the suspension of desire and thought akin to meditation.  Though I have not managed myself to meditate, so it's a speculation.  The Hanged Man feels closer in meaning to contentment, in  particular  the waiting space for birth and creation. It seems to be a passive position ( traditionally feminine) void, that is not as empty as it appears, a something in the  nothing. 

 

Another fertile card that comes to mind is The Princess of Cups with her crest of the swan with open wings, symbolising AUM, or AUMGN the entire process of creation.

 

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(AUM) "Symbolically,, this announces the course of Nature as proceeding from free and formless creation through controlled and formed preservation to the silence of destruction. The three sounds are harmonised into one...it is thus the formula of Manvantra, or a period of manifested existence, which alternates with a Pralaya, during which creation is latent" (AC)

 

Pralaya 🙂

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23 hours ago, Aeon418 said:

 

"Follow thy Fortune, careless where it lead thee." But we do care. We care a lot! So much so that we try to maintain as much control over our lives as we can. And yet, despite all our efforts, life has an annoying habit of just happening anyway whether we like it or not. As Crowley says in the Book of Lies, chapter 22 - "It is Pure Chance that rules the Universe; therefore, and only therefore, life is good." But it doesn't seem very good when our world is suddenly turned upside down by an unforeseen turn of events.

 

oops.. back to the Wheel

 

That makes sense. Perhaps the hand turning the wheel is laughing  because we have the illusion of being in control, like you say, trying to avoid unpleasantness, controlling our lives, even when they are upturned by unforeseen events. Or defining terms 😶

 

23 hours ago, Aeon418 said:

 

This should be compared to Atu XV - The Devil, who represents the "complete appreciation of all existing things. He rejoices in the rugged and the barren no less than in the smooth and the fertile. All things equally exalt him. He represents the finding of ecstasy in every phenomenon, however naturally repugnant; he transcends all limitations; he is Pan; he is All."

 

This begins to sound like another paradox. If one opens oneself up to an open hearted experience of life, doesn't this run the risk of becoming some sort of human doormat that life wipes its feet upon? Only if you forget the Will. To the extent that one is able to release the ego's grip on life, the True Will fills the void like the Axle of the Wheel. .

 

I  just noticed your concept of the True will filling the void or Axle of the Wheel. That sounds a bit like the establishment of the  pillar in the void.

 

Edited June 7, 2024 by smw

[Aeon418]

On 6/7/2024 at 11:57 AM, smw said:

Yes ! that is what I was wondering about, the similarity to the concepts of the links of infinite chain you quoted from Liber A'sh at the beginning of the thread. Perhaps the reviewer of Ziporyn's book was drawing on his own understanding of Buddhism and how all beings work towards that process, as an inevitability.

 

This quote from Crowley's confessions should interest you.

 

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Many people may go through the ordeals and attain the degrees of the A∴A∴ without ever hearing that such an Order exists. The universe is, in fact, busy with nothing else, for the relation of the Order to it is that of the man of science to his subject.

 

Crowley thought the ordeals and degrees of A.'.A.'. matched developmental landmarks in human consciousness that exist independently of any particular system of training. The universe is already doing this work through endless cycles of incarnation. It may this is being indicated on Atu X - Fortune by the inference of the Eye in the Triangle motif. Life itself is the initiator. Admittedly, this is a necessarily slow process. But at a certain stage individual consciousness can begin to feel "inspired" to participate in this Great Work. This could be compared to the transition of the old Temperance card to the Art card of the Thoth Tarot. In the former it is the Universe under the guise of an angel that refines the waters of human consciousness between two vases. While in the latter the human consciousness has begun to play an active role in the process and starts cooperating with the angel.

 

On 6/7/2024 at 11:57 AM, smw said:

The triangle shaped crossed legs of the Hanged Man  and the circle of the Ankh of eternal life he is hanging from comes to mind.

 

The usual interpretation of the Hanged Man is that he represents the Redeeming Light descending into the Darkness. But an alternative interpretation is that he represents the natural human consciousness, represented by the quaternary of the crossed legs, elevated by the Triangle of Spirit. This in turn completes the Chain with his foot passing though the Ankh, and sets his foot firmly on the Path of Eternity.

[Aeon418]

On 6/7/2024 at 2:39 PM, smw said:

That makes sense. Perhaps the hand turning the wheel is laughing  because we have the illusion of being in control, like you say, trying to avoid unpleasantness, controlling our lives, even when they are upturned by unforeseen events. Or defining terms 😶

 

There could be laughter being implied here, but I don't think there's any malice in the laughter because of a deeper truth behind the symbolism of the hand. The hand that turns the Wheel is simultaneously the Axle of the Wheel. Quoting James A. Eshelman: 
 

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The hand is Yod, '. The motive power for the turning is shown to be the primal, universal Will-impulse. Yod corresponds to Kether, which in Assiah is called the "Primal Turnings." Religious art around the world has long used the hand as a common symbol of the presence of deity.

 

Yet Yod also means "axle." This image of some outside power turning the wheel is actually a symbolic statement of how it is being turned by that which is at the CENTER of each of us.

 

The joke may be on us. But it's only funny because we can't see the joke and resentfully struggle against a Fate that seems to have been imposed upon us by a seemingly outside agency. All the while blissfully unaware that it is our own True Self that spins the Wheel. 

 

On 6/7/2024 at 2:39 PM, smw said:

I  just noticed your concept of the True will filling the void or Axle of the Wheel. That sounds a bit like the establishment of the  pillar in the void.

 

It reminds me of Crowley pointing out that Kaph, the letter of X - Fortune, is spelt KPh. The initials of Kteis and Phallos. (BoT p.89 - footnote)

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[smw]

On 6/8/2024 at 2:37 PM, Aeon418 said:

 

This quote from Crowley's confessions should interest you.

 

 

Crowley thought the ordeals and degrees of A.'.A.'. matched developmental landmarks in human consciousness that exist independently of any particular system of training. The universe is already doing this work through endless cycles of incarnation. It may this is being indicated on Atu X - Fortune by the inference of the Eye in the Triangle motif. Life itself is the initiator. Admittedly, this is a necessarily slow process. But at a certain stage individual consciousness can begin to feel "inspired" to participate in this Great Work. This could be compared to the transition of the old Temperance card to the Art card of the Thoth Tarot. In the former it is the Universe under the guise of an angel that refines the waters of human consciousness between two vases. While in the latter the human consciousness has begun to play an active role in the process and starts cooperating with the angel.

I have been looking at Temperance/Art with Waite’s version, PF Case to Crowley. It’s  an interesting card, quite similar to the Star as well. Though probably more suited to its own thread. 
 

Perhaps you can still get ordeals by being Thoth adjacent..🤷🏼‍♀️

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On 6/8/2024 at 3:24 PM, Aeon418 said:

It reminds me of Crowley pointing out that Kaph, the letter of X - Fortune, is spelt KPh. The initials of Kteis and Phallos. (BoT p.89 - footnote)

The  footnote also refers to Q,P - Quoph, Pisces = 100 the number of Aumgn. AUM being (for Crowley) an incomplete  description of the nature of the Universe. 

I’m thinking this might parallel in some way your idea of the transition  from Temperance to Art.

Edited June 14, 2024 by smw

[smw]

19 hours ago, smw said:

The  footnote also refers to Q,P - Quoph, Pisces = 100 the number of Aumgn. AUM being (for Crowley) an incomplete  description of the nature of the Universe. 

I’m thinking this might parallel in some way your idea of the transition  from Temperance to Art.

Maybe a bit random - Paul F Case mentions his idea of vibration in Samekh, Temperance, sounding like a description of AUM. 

Edited June 15, 2024 by smw

[Aeon418]

On 6/14/2024 at 3:23 PM, smw said:

The  footnote also refers to Q,P - Quoph, Pisces = 100 the number of Aumgn. AUM being (for Crowley) an incomplete  description of the nature of the Universe.

 

Crowley's closing comments on AUMGN in MTP.
 

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But, moreover, this number 100 mysteriously indicates the Magical formula of the Universe as a reverberatory engine for the extension of Nothingness through the device of equilibrated opposites.

It is moreover the value of the letter Qoph, which means “the back of the head”, the cerebellum, where the creative or reproductive force is primarily situated. Qoph in the Tarot is “the Moon”, a card suggesting illusion, yet shewing counterpartal forces operating in darkness, and the Winged Beetle or Midnight Sun in his Bark travelling through the Nadir. Its Yetziratic attribution is Pisces, symbolic of the positive and negative currents of fluidic energy, the male Ichthus or “Pesce” and the female Vesica, seeking respectively the anode and kathode. The number 100 is therefore a synthetic glyph of the subtle energies employed in creating the Illusion, or Reflection of Reality, which we call manifested existence.

 

The link between X-Fortune and XVIII-The Moon via the number 100 reminds me of the way in which it is possible to trace wave forms from a rotating Circle that suggest Crowley's "reverberatory engine for the extension of Nothingness." These 'vibrations' seem to have influenced the design of the Moon card which depicts the "Illusion, or Reflection of Reality" generated by the spinning of the Wheel.    

 

One positive frequency component, cosine and sine, from rotating vector (fast animation) - Sine wave - Wikipedia

[smw]

On 6/15/2024 at 9:46 PM, Aeon418 said:

 

Crowley's closing comments on AUMGN in MTP.
 

 

The link between X-Fortune and XVIII-The Moon via the number 100 reminds me of the way in which it is possible to trace wave forms from a rotating Circle that suggest Crowley's "reverberatory engine for the extension of Nothingness." These 'vibrations' seem to have influenced the design of the Moon card which depicts the "Illusion, or Reflection of Reality" generated by the spinning of the Wheel.    

 

One positive frequency component, cosine and sine, from rotating vector (fast animation) - Sine wave - Wikipedia

That is really cool! 😎 

 

Even if I am not maths minded enough to understand the physics here. Though I can see the undulating hills edged blue and red on the Moon card. With the sun circle in the middle. Presumably representing eternity, day & night, the midnight sun.

 

That seems to align with Crowley’s commentary on the addition of G in AUMGN - the forms of manifestation may not be as they appear, the moon’s light being  a reflection or extension of the sun’s constant light instead of an illusory perception of the separation of light & dark, masculine and feminine. 
 

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^ post 93 🤓 just noticed…

[Aeon418]

4 hours ago, smw said:

Even if I am not maths minded enough to understand the physics here. Though I can see the undulating hills edged blue and red on the Moon card. With the sun circle in the middle. Presumably representing eternity, day & night, the midnight sun.

 

I don't think it's absolutely necessary to understand the math. A picture says a thousand words. In this instance a single source of circular motion, when traced along the x or y axis, produces two separate wave forms. In the language of Tarot it could be compared to the rotation of the Wheel producing the illusionary 'vibration' of duality that we see on Atu XVIII - The Moon, and the underlying connection between Kaph (KPh) = 100 = Qoph, and by extension the reverberatory formula of AUMGN.

 

It also provides a justification for the Great Work as the union of opposites. ".... unite by thine art so that all disappear." And the appearance of the illusion of duality does not exist at the motionless centre of the Wheel.    

 

4 hours ago, smw said:

That seems to align with Crowley’s commentary on the addition of G in AUMGN - the forms of manifestation may not be as they appear, the moon’s light being  a reflection or extension of the sun’s constant light instead of an illusory perception of the separation of light & dark, masculine and feminine.

 

Also the letter Nun represents the Serpentine undulation between opposites (Scorpion and Eagle) and the theme of generative transformation that implies motion in time or continual Change.

 

Incidentally, somewhere Crowley draws attention to the letters Gimel and Nun representing the functions mythologized as Eve and the Serpent in the Genesis fable. The Edenic silence and stillness of the Waters of Mem is disturbed by the 'temptation' inherent in GN, which is Hebrew for Garden. Although here there is no need for a moral interpretation implied by the so called Fall. The repeated disturbance and return to the silence is an inherent property of things whereby the universe experiences itself through repeated separation and union. 

[smw]

On 6/17/2024 at 8:06 PM, Aeon418 said:

 

I don't think it's absolutely necessary to understand the math. A picture says a thousand words.

math? Have you turned into an American Aeon? Or called a friend…😏

 

On 6/17/2024 at 8:06 PM, Aeon418 said:

In this instance a single source of circular motion, when traced along the x or y axis, produces two separate wave forms. In the language of Tarot it could be compared to the rotation of the Wheel producing the illusionary 'vibration' of duality that we see on Atu XVIII - The Moon, and the underlying connection between Kaph (KPh) = 100 = Qoph, and by extension the reverberatory formula of AUMGN.

 

It also provides a justification for the Great Work as the union of opposites. ".... unite by thine art so that all disappear."

Not sure I understand this? how two wave forms created by motion with two arbitrary points on a circle provide justification for the Great work of the union of opposites?  Or how the quote fits in? 

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[Aeon418]

1 hour ago, smw said:

Not sure I understand this? how two wave forms created by artificial motion with two arbitrary points on a circle provide justification for the Great work? 

 

What is arbitrary about the vertical y-axis and the horizontal x-axis? Each one implies the other. To plot the location of any point within the circle or on the circumference it must be in reference to x and y. When you add rotating motion implied by the Wheel to a point, as long as it is not in the exact centre, it will create a wave form as it changes position relative to both x and y axes. The two wave forms in the diagram represent opposite starting points, where one is max-y and min-x. The other is min-y and max-x. While both waves are identical they are out of phase. Symbolically this could be interpreted as the emergence of duality out of unity. (Compare with Kether as the "first whirlings.")

 

This illusion of duality is depicted in manifestation on the Moon card. The same card that shows the path between the Pairs of Opposites. Walking this path and thereby uniting the illusory dualities of existence is the Great Work. This is also why Gunther refers to the Path of the Great Return as "reversing the Wheel to re-enter the womb of the Mother." 

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2 hours ago, Aeon418 said:

 

What is arbitrary about the vertical y-axis and the horizontal x-axis? Each one implies the other. To plot the location of any point within the circle or on the circumference it must be in reference to x and y. When you add rotating motion implied by the Wheel to a point, as long as it is not in the exact centre, it will create a wave form as it changes position relative to both x and y axes. The two wave forms in the diagram represent opposite starting points, where one is max-y and min-x. The other is min-y and max-x. While both waves are identical they are out of phase. Symbolically this could be interpreted as the emergence of duality out of unity. (Compare with Kether as the "first whirlings."

 

All I kind of get is that the two wave forms are sines and cosines that undulate up and down and seem be another description or relationship that occurs when motion is applied to the unitary circle. X & y are the points on the circumference that refer to the legs of a right angle triangle - that has been positioned there. What if there were more triangles  and so more points or different angled triangles… 
 

There are also apparently, ‘standing waves’ moving only in time not space, created by two wave forms going in opposite directions. 
 

Without having understanding of a maths context, I don’t know what could be interpreted symbolically. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Edited June 20, 2024 by smw

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On 5/28/2024 at 10:51 AM, Aeon418 said:

 

Like it or not, the Thoth Tarot was intended to be a pictorial summary of an entire spiritual system. I admit that many readers have little or no interest in the underlying principles that inform the design of the deck and use it merely for the purposes of fortune telling. To each their own.

I like the deck but not Crowley. I researched him in the 1980s and his calling himself “The Beast 666” and the fact that he brutally hurt women with extreme bdsm still repulses me. He was known as the most “Wicked man in the world”. 
Yes, he knew Magick (orders & ceremonial) (and created Thelema) very well but I don’t toot his horn. I don’t toot any Satanist’s horn. Nor do I spread information about what he did with Magick but neglect to inform others of the reality his evil nature. Transparency is key and being responsible is crucial.

I hope this helps someone know what kind of 

vile man Crowley was.

 

Blessed Be 🌒🌕🌘🪶🪶🪶