RickInBakersfield Posted August 24, 2024 Posted August 24, 2024 I have always thought that the man & woman on the right of the master mason are the one's seeking advice from the mason who is standing on the bench. They are showing him their plans for the future and are seeking advice on how achieve what it is they are wanting. So, I was listening to a YouTube video which had a completely different meaning. I am confused here. What do you think is going on in this card? Thanks in advance! BTW I am using the RWS deck.
Misterei Posted August 24, 2024 Posted August 24, 2024 1 hour ago, RickInBakersfield said: I have always thought that the man & woman on the right of the master mason are the one's seeking advice from the mason who is standing on the bench. They are showing him their plans for the future and are seeking advice on how achieve what it is they are wanting. So, I was listening to a YouTube video which had a completely different meaning. I am confused here. What do you think is going on in this card? Thanks in advance! BTW I am using the RWS deck. Lots of idiots on YT. But to be fair, all these cards have multiple layers. To touch upon the master mason advising the others, yes, this card is often associated with education, students, school, learning. It can also be a team working together on a project. It can literally reference building projects. You often have a team [home owner, plumber, drywaller. Or architect, contractor, framer]. There's more but I'll stop here.
FindYourSovereignty Posted August 24, 2024 Posted August 24, 2024 I think this card shares collaboration and each person could be the one learning or leading out. For me, it is in context with the question, the other cards in the spread, the position of the card, and what calls to me in the image that guides the specific meaning for that reading. I think they are all learning in a group situation. The mason could be learning what they want. They could be learning from the mason what can be done. Together they are learning what each one is hoping for and what they can achieve.
DanielJUK Posted August 25, 2024 Posted August 25, 2024 I think in the RWS image there is a stonemason apprentice on the left and a Monk and maybe a Nun on the right, the second person has their head covered and both could be any gender really, maybe two monks? Some of those Monks in historic times built Cathedrals and Abbeys, so they were also crafts people as well as studying religion. There has been a lot of debate about who they are online and really it's something to decide for yourself when you are studying the card. The stonemason definitely looks younger and inexperienced than the others though. In the Ace of Pentacles, the stonemason might plan to study this line of work, in the two, they are beginning and taking action and now in the three, it's the first outcome of their apprenticeship. They are actually building something, supervised by the crafts people with experience. Waite talks in this card that the apprentice has received their reward from the nobility and is now at "work in earnest", so this is their first paid job. I find this card a little messy, like that all works in theory but why is the Eight of Pentacles perfecting what they are creating? There is an older thread here which I am still thinking about, Eight is the Apprentice and this Three is the Master. That aside, what can he learn from the people with experience and wisdom. There is a communication and he isn't doing this by himself. The people with experience are encouraging to the apprentice, each person has something to offer in this team collaboration. It reminds me a lot of this forum, that members with more experience and knowledge, help people with their readings, who are inexperienced but taking action and practising to get better. We try to be encouraging and positive in feedback, rather than make people feel bad. I think the card is like that.
Chariot Posted August 25, 2024 Posted August 25, 2024 (edited) 3 hours ago, DanielJUK said: I find this card a little messy, like that all works in theory but why is the Eight of Pentacles perfecting what they are creating? There is an older thread here which I am still thinking about, Eight is the Apprentice and this Three is the Master. That aside, what can he learn from the people with experience and wisdom. There is a communication and he isn't doing this by himself. The people with experience are encouraging to the apprentice, each person has something to offer in this team collaboration. It reminds me a lot of this forum, that members with more experience and knowledge, help people with their readings, who are inexperienced but taking action and practising to get better. We try to be encouraging and positive in feedback, rather than make people feel bad. I think the card is like that. I agree the 3 of Pentacles and the 8 of Pentacles are 'messy,' in that they both show people at work making something. I think @DanielJUK has hit it on the head regarding the difference, though. (The bold underlining the above quote are mine.) In the 3 of Pentacles, the person is being watched, judged, maybe praised or rewarded (in the upright version.) This worker could be an apprentice, or a master. The significance is that other people are watching and judging—or maybe collaborating if this is a group project. This is the work-that-gets-paid-for card, or a work-that-is-seen-by-others card. When it's upright, the work is being noticed and favourably judged; when it's reversed either the work is being ignored, is being dumped on one person only, or is seen as shoddy and substandard. On the other hand, in the 8 of Pentacles, the person is working on his/her own. I always think of those two cards this way. One involves public acclaim, reward, or judgement for work. The other is about creating something or learning a craft in private. It's the private joy of creation or learning a skill that infuses the 8 of Pentacles. The work might later be praised or rewarded, but that's not the vibe happening when this card appears in a reading. Edited August 25, 2024 by Chariot
Misterei Posted August 25, 2024 Posted August 25, 2024 10 hours ago, Chariot said: ... the 8 of Pentacles, the person is working on his/her own.... Yes, this touches on the difference [as I see it]. 3 pents is often / usually a team or group of 3 people. In certain contexts it can even be part of an infidelity or love triangle read. 8 pents is simply hard work or study. Not a team or group effort per se. In reality, the cards can be somewhat interchangeable. Like Empress and Q Pents can get very similar in some contexts.
Chariot Posted August 25, 2024 Posted August 25, 2024 8 minutes ago, Misterei said: In reality, the cards can be somewhat interchangeable. Like Empress and Q Pents can get very similar in some contexts. Yes, Empress and Queen of Pentacles is a duo I was thinking about only today. I may do a thread on these two at some point, or maybe some journaling on it. Quite a few cards seem to have issues that overlap. But I do believe they are different enough to warrant a close look AT the difference. That's where the nuances come in.
Misterei Posted August 25, 2024 Posted August 25, 2024 13 minutes ago, Chariot said: Yes, Empress and Queen of Pentacles is a duo I was thinking about only today. ... they are different enough to warrant a close look AT the difference. That's where the nuances come in. Good point. I might describe it as Q Pents is similar to one aspect of Empress [especially in Health reads] whereas Empress is a deeper card with many more meanings. She only overlaps with Q Pents in certain contexts. But now we're off topic so I'll stop here.
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