Ziegler -- Tarot, Mirror of Relationships Book. Your Opinion?

[Wyrdkiss]

Greetings,

 

For those of you versed in the Thoth and Crowley, how does Ziegler's book Tarot: Mirror of Relationships stand up? Is it worth a read?

[Wyrdkiss]

PS -- this books is out of print, and different from Mirror of the Soul.

[Misterei]

@Wyrdkiss

I had this book and quite liked it at the time. His philosophy is influenced by Osho. Then again I find Rajneesh compatible with Crowley.

Edited November 23, 2024 by Misterei

[Wyrdkiss]

Hmmmm, I'll have to consider that.  Perhaps if I buy it I will just keep that grain of salt very close at hand. The issue is the book is very pricey now for a paperback. 

Edited November 23, 2024 by Wyrdkiss

[Misterei]

On 11/22/2024 at 10:49 PM, Wyrdkiss said:

.... The issue is the book is very pricey now for a paperback. 

I found that I still have my copy. I'll attach a couple of pix. Don't know if you'll be able to actually read the text but it might help you decide if you like the writing style.

[gregory]

Well - one thing I will say is that that BADLY needs proofreading.....

[Misterei]

7 hours ago, gregory said:

Well - one thing I will say is that that BADLY needs proofreading.....

It uses Euro [?] style quote marks. I think it was written in German first? Anyway, compared to the terrible formatting in most of my Kindle books, this one never bothered me.

[Ferrea]

Gerd Ziegler is a German writer. And the text does sound very German. Besides those lovely German quotation marks.

In France they have different ones again, prettier ones, bien sûr. 

[gregory]

He sounds very German - sure - and I can actually speak his language. But this is a translation and - well, if I had had a book of mine translated into German I'd have taken the trouble; to get a German speaker to proof-read it. Quotation marks are fine - but  oppenness, (a spellchecker should have picked up on that, which is spelt correctly elsewhere), insecureness.... But never mind..

[Raggydoll]

38 minutes ago, gregory said:

He sounds very German - sure - and I can actually speak his language. But this is a translation and - well, if I had had a book of mine translated into German I'd have taken the trouble; to get a German speaker to proof-read it. Quotation marks are fine - but  oppenness, (a spellchecker should have picked up on that, which is spelt correctly elsewhere), insecureness.... But never mind..

I saw the ’insecureness’ and did ask myself ”is that an actual word?!”, but due to not being a native English speaker I doubted myself. I guess I have some language insecurenesses 🤣

 

Though to get back on topic.. I’m wondering, is this book meant to refer to the Thoth tarot specifically or to tarot in general? I struggle to see how it would pertain to the way Crowley imagined his cards, but I’m certainly no expert on him or his deck. 

[gregory]

A review on line says: 

 

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In this set, author Gerd Ziegler expands the interpretation of Aleister Crowley's Thoth Tarot Deck with emphasis on the practical application and interpretation of the cards. Set includes 78-card Large Swiss Crowley deck and handbook, 176 pages. Spread sheet not included.

 

and

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Whether you're reading for yourself or others, the majority of questions everyone has are about love and relationships. There are many books on the market for this specific topic that relate to the Waite-Smith system and some of the books on the Thoth give a paragraph or some key words for reading these cards in a relationship reading, but this is the only book I know of on the market that specifically covers how to read the Thoth/Crowley tarot in relationship readings. As a professional who uses the Thoth in my practice, I found this to be a very helpful tool to add depth to my relationship readings.

 

There's another that says:

 

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So, I went on high alert when I saw a quote on the first page from Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh. Thanks to Netflix I know this is a cult leader (deceased). The author was in this cult. For that reason alone, I'm very leery of any advice this book gives. I will say that I agree with one point the book makes: "Fear is freedom's greatest enemy."

 

Michael Sternbach thinks well of it - maybe get in touch ? (I don't know if he's here). Or is @Aeon418watching ?

Edited November 26, 2024 by gregory

[Aeon418]

14 hours ago, gregory said:

Or is @Aeon418watching ?

 

I'm watching but have nothing to add. The sample posted by @Misterei reads like typically generic new age, self help stuff that could be applied to any deck.

[gregory]

Succinctly put !

[Raggydoll]

7 hours ago, Aeon418 said:

 

I'm watching but have nothing to add. The sample posted by @Misterei reads like typically generic new age, self help stuff that could be applied to any deck.

Yes, my thoughts exactly