Significator - is the Lady her or me

[Celine]

Hello,

 

I cannot untangle this for myself.

I did a 3x3 asking what my (female) boss had taken away from our discussion. The cards are astonishingly precise...except I keep being confused by the following: the Lady fell, but also the Bear. And suddenly I simply can't decide, can Lady still be me? I keep thinking no, because I am asking about what she does with our discussion, and so I read her as Lady - on the other hand as it was a discussion with me (and pretty heated too), it may seem natural I would be part of the picture.

 

But I think she is the main actor of that reading, and therefore since Lady fell, it is her. Yes, I'm going circles, and my Lenormand book is packed in a box to be moved soon.

 

Thanks for any insights you may have. ( I find that Lady is "either you or the querent" unhelpful as I am making the query, but she is the main character)

[Mister]

This is one for @timtoldrum, isn't it?

However, it'd be boring to just wait if he picks it up or not.

 

5 hours ago, Celine said:

But I think she is the main actor of that reading, and therefore since Lady fell, it is her.

You did the read already and it made sense.

You asked about Her, after all, not what the consequences would be for You.

 

For the reason that the cards do indeed conform to their user ('s ideas) to a degree my suggestion is to look at what's around both cards in search of descriptive qualities, chances are there is something to distinguish you both.

[joy]

7 hours ago, Celine said:

Hello,

 

I cannot untangle this for myself.

I did a 3x3 asking what my (female) boss had taken away from our discussion. The cards are astonishingly precise...except I keep being confused by the following: the Lady fell, but also the Bear. And suddenly I simply can't decide, can Lady still be me? I keep thinking no, because I am asking about what she does with our discussion, and so I read her as Lady - on the other hand as it was a discussion with me (and pretty heated too), it may seem natural I would be part of the picture.

 

But I think she is the main actor of that reading, and therefore since Lady fell, it is her. Yes, I'm going circles, and my Lenormand book is packed in a box to be moved soon.

 

Thanks for any insights you may have. ( I find that Lady is "either you or the querent" unhelpful as I am making the query, but she is the main character)

 

In this reading you are the querent and therefore the Lady represents you. If you want more details, we would have to see the whole reading and then it is better to discuss it in Personal readings. 

[geoxena]

9 hours ago, Celine said:

I keep being confused by the following: the Lady fell, but also the Bear . . . and therefore since Lady fell, it is her.

 

What exactly do you mean when you say the Lady "fell?"  Do you mean that, in addition to the cards you pulled, the Lady and Bear cards fell out of the deck while you were shuffling?    Or are you saying that the cards you pulled "fell?"  

 

If it's just that they fell out of the deck while shuffling and you already had pulled the cards for the reading, then I would've just put the ones that fell back into the deck and read only the ones you pulled.  I see no reason to include cards that fall out as part of any reading.  It just means it wasn't a great job of shuffling.

 

But if that's not what you meant by saying they fell, can you please explain with more detail?

[Celine]

6 hours ago, joy said:

In this reading you are the querent and therefore the Lady represents you. If you want more details, we would have to see the whole reading and then it is better to discuss it in Personal readings

Thank you @joy 

 

So unless the question is asked by someone else, we are always the querent and therefore Lady/Lord represents us. It bothers me... 

I truly thought I was asking a technical question, that's why I didn't put it in the personal readings.

 

4 hours ago, geoxena said:

But if that's not what you meant by saying they fell, can you please explain with more detail?

Apologies @geoxena. I drew nine cards, two of which were the Lady and the Bear. And indeed the reading is very different if the Lady represents me (and it also tends to move away from the question) or her (which places her at the centre as the one who is doing something with the discussion or not)

 

@Mister I think along the same lines. If I drew cards about a woman I didn't know for practice purposes, and the Lady was part of the draw, there's no question in my mind that the Lady would represent that woman. And here indeed my question was genuinely "what will she do with all that" not "crap, what is she considering doing about me".

 

I need to work more and take note of such questions. Thank you!

Edited 10 hours ago by Celine
Typo (but there may be more)

[joy]

7 hours ago, Celine said:

Thank you @joy 

 

So unless the question is asked by someone else, we are always the querent and therefore Lady/Lord represents us. It bothers me... 

I truly thought I was asking a technical question, that's why I didn't put it in the personal readings.

 

Well who else is the querent in this reading if it is not you?

 

[Celine]

Hello @joythank you for taking the time. In this logic it means that should I do a Grand Tableau about another woman, the Lady would still be me. Because I'm doing the query. Yet it is a very usual practice exercise to be reading about characters in a tv show, celebrities and what not. Here my confusion arises from the fact that indeed I may be part of the picture as I was a party to the discussion in question, but the reading is not about me. Do I make sense?

Edited 2 hours ago by Celine
TV show, not TB show. Unless it's Doctor House.

[Mister]

7 hours ago, Celine said:

And here indeed my question was genuinely "what will she do with all that" not "crap, what is she considering doing about me".

7 hours ago, Celine said:

(and it also tends to move away from the question)

@Celine Stick with your guts.

 

The Lord and Lady do not always represent the querent, especially outside of GT's.

They are often at the center of an inguiry and tend to show the ones asked about or the ones holding sway over the matter discussed.

 

On this forum, so-called "third-party-readings" ar a no-no, however, once you open up your table, you will encounter plenty.

If you apply "always the querent" there, your readings are bound to become nonsensical.

 

The job of a reader is to answer questions, not to criticise people for their worries or their wording.

[Celine]

5 minutes ago, Mister said:

If you apply "always the querent" there, your readings are bound to become nonsensical.

Thanks @Mister there's logic in that too. I suppose my example reading was particularly confusing as I may be part of the reading (as the said discussion was with me) so lines were blurred. I need to practice more and a wider variety of topics.

[Mister]

11 minutes ago, Celine said:

I suppose my example reading was particularly confusing as I may be part of the reading

Nay, rather than being a tough nut to crack, it is risky to comment on.

If you put the focus on the question, it becomes clear.

 

Much like if the question is whether someone has a sexual inclination justifying an advance - in those reads, the Lady and Lord will show the person in question most of the time, while the querent is represented in the alternatives, if at all.

I have chosen this example for it does also show just why, for the sake of the querent, one should take those questions on rather than dodging them.

[Celine]

5 minutes ago, Mister said:

rather than being a tough nut to crack, it is risky to comment on

Ok consider me tickled. I'm looking at the spread again. The only other person card is the Bear (no, for some reason not Paths in this case). Both the Bear and the Lady knight to Paths so there will be beef between them.

And they're definitely not in something healthy with Mice between them. And looks like Bear has some things to ponder regarding her stability. Oh well. 

[DanielJUK]

@Celine I think the reason @joy says the Lady represents you and Bear, her, is because you asked as the question....

"what my (female) boss had taken away from our discussion?"

 

Of course, you can ask about her at work, or other people, or do fictional readings and you would not be the significator. This reading involves you because you are asking, and that is why it is allowed with our third-party rules because you are part of the reading. We wouldn't allow just reading on her at work, for example. This is just other people's opinions on the reading though and of course you can ignore it and disagree. I would see you as the Lady as well though in the reading.

 

You can make intentions before the reading, what represents you and her and see if they come up in the reading. I always ask what card my querents want to represent them and commonly they choose Gentleman / Lord or Lady.

 

 

[Celine]

thank you @DanielJUK I will look at it all again and see how the meaning works out that way. Next time though I'll definitely state in my question "and The Lady is her" 😂 as you suggest because this has taken a toll on my brain cells! (And now you also know why I don't contribute much at all to other threads, I don't have firm footing yet.)