AJ-ish/Sharyn Posted May 27, 2019 Posted May 27, 2019 I can say wholeheartedly I love that back, brilliant!! Best wishes on your project
Guest Posted May 29, 2019 Posted May 29, 2019 On 5/27/2019 at 2:13 PM, AJ-ish/Sharyn said: I can say wholeheartedly I love that back, brilliant!! Best wishes on your project thanks I polished up the fundraiser page. We chose not to use the images of the mock deck for the most part. Perfect Trine I'll start a thread in the appropriate forum when the fundraiser actually starts in a couple weeks.
Guest Posted February 5, 2022 Posted February 5, 2022 So yeah I'm still working on this deck...it has changed a lot... I have completed many versions.. Since I'm back let's resurrect this thread... PerfectTrine hass turned into many decks.... I just keep making cards sticking to the structure. So here's a couple pics from the latest PerfectTrine deck which for the time being I'm calling Alchemy.
Guest Posted February 5, 2022 Posted February 5, 2022 Spent the bulk of my time meditating on the structure of the philosopher's Stone. The triangle in a circle that was on the face of each of the original cards.. Figured what the heck let's make them, look really cool, rather than the light impression of an emblem in the center of a card
Cryptocartography Posted February 16, 2022 Posted February 16, 2022 Absolutely GORGEOUS design. That is one of the most beautiful tarot card backs I've ever seen!
Guest Posted February 16, 2022 Posted February 16, 2022 Thank you so much, such kindness. 😅 This is the sequence we chose to go with. That queen above has been set aside for the Alchemy deck, which is just a deck of miscellaneous art. These will be the minor cards, so to speak...the art is based around the philosophers Stone and the ennagram. This gif shows how the minor cards would look, for the most part, if they were placed in chronological order by their zodiac correspondences.
Guest Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 I totally botched the first couple cards..so decided to warm up a bit. I think this or something close will be the back. Once again the back is sort of a key to understanding how the deck is stacked.. each suit is positioned next to the element the deck is using for correspondence. And the symbol in the center shows which element is associated with which zodiac sign as they go around that circle in counterclockwise fashion, just like a birth chart would be set up.
MuninnMissinHuginn Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 The gif is very interesting. As is the idea for the back of the card. I was wondering are you planning on using your hand drawn cards for publishing, or are you creating the cards with a graphics program? Maybe you said and I missed it, if so sorry to ask again.
Guest Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 Oh gosh those are big questions... Yes I will be printing them as we see them here. Of course they are six times larger than a real card and then in taking the photograph I'm working with an image about 100 times larger than the card. The bigger the better is typically the case. All the original artwork was done with pencils, micron pens, prismacolor Ebony pencils, and a copic set of warm grays. I sketched out hundreds of them I had a room covered in pictures. Here's the wall with the best lighting... Those pieces were brought into adobe illustrator. Where I rebuilt them, corrected my ellipses, ensured my triangles are equalateral. To be certain I created many decks worth of art at this stage... Some of it lending itself better to certain techniques than others. Each deck emphasizing different structures within an ennagram. After this stage I print my outlines out onto express-it blending board and use copic markers for the bulk of the rendering. The ink from a laser printer is not soluble in alcohol so it holds fast very well, and it can print very lightly at a very high detail. The critical step is actually photographing the art. Copic markers really like real sunlight, pictures I've shown here really don't glow in comparison to what they look like in person. I'm actually waiting for the spring and I will photograph them in the early afternoon.... And it should come out pretty good. The winter sun was just too darn blue, the paper itself has just the lightest blue tint. Which leaves me butchering the art trying to correct the colors. In a week or so I will have the first five cards finished, the back, and the box designed. I can then send this off to the person I work with at the Expert Playing Card Company. And she'll tell me what they can do with it. I'm pretty confident that they can make some really nice cards out of it, I've seen other artists work done in copic ink made into cards by them and they did a really good job. I have had a good experience with them before, they do not hesitate suggest another printer when it fits the art. It's likely though they will suggest that use Legends. I think that really comes down to how many cards one wants printed.
Guest Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 3 hours ago, MuninnMissinHuginn said: The gif is very interesting. As is the idea for the back of the card. I was wondering are you planning on using your hand drawn cards for publishing, or are you creating the cards with a graphics program? Maybe you said and I missed it, if so sorry to ask again. If there's anything else that I should be explaining please feel free to ask. The art here is the culmination of a meditation on the functions of symbols in meditation that has been over a decade in the making. I've been meaning to create an animation of the ennagram since I read the works of George Gurdjieff 15 years ago. So if you have any questions fire away, please. I'm sure there will be others that have the same questions you do. On the other hand I don't want to just talk and talk and talk about it without some suggestions as to what to speak about. I could write a book on the subject of just this single thing, and to be honest others far more understanding than I have have written books on it already.
stephanelli Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 11:53 PM, whatsawhosit said: Thank you so much, such kindness. 😅 This is the sequence we chose to go with. That queen above has been set aside for the Alchemy deck, which is just a deck of miscellaneous art. These will be the minor cards, so to speak...the art is based around the philosophers Stone and the ennagram. This gif shows how the minor cards would look, for the most part, if they were placed in chronological order by their zodiac correspondences. Is there a way to slow this gif down? The numbers flashing in the corners at this speed in particular aren't great for my brain.
Guest Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, stephanelli said: Is there a way to slow this gif down? The numbers flashing in the corners at this speed in particular aren't great for my brain. How's this? I just used a website that added a few milliseconds between each frame.
stephanelli Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 1 hour ago, whatsawhosit said: How's this? I just used a website that added a few milliseconds between each frame. That's much better, thank you! I can now focus on the imagery you're intending me to enjoy! A few milliseconds extra is apparently all my brain needed! It's a really clever idea and I love the idea behind this - ingenious!
MuninnMissinHuginn Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 7 hours ago, whatsawhosit said: So if you have any questions fire away, please. In the gif, the spheres look to me like the earth and moon rotating together and then rotating with the sun. Is this close to what you intended? . Also I am wondering about the choice to photograph as opposed to scanning, do the colors work better with the natural light bouncing through the marker pigment compared to the scanner’s light? Thank you for allowing and answering questions. 🙂 Thank you in advance for your answers. Also, I have to agree with @stephanelli the gif is now much easier on the eyes!
Guest Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 38 minutes ago, MuninnMissinHuginn said: In the gif, the spheres look to me like the earth and moon rotating together and then rotating with the sun. Is this close to what you intended? . Yes and no. No and yes. This question is very much about how an enegram would function. That we should start a whole different thread about, if that is an interesting topic. In short; I did intend that if the observer could not perceive all of the things that are going on, they would see something meaningful all the same just as you have. So yes I did intend for it to look as you suggest, and so in a very real way yes it kind of does look just like the moon circling the earth as the Earth drunkenly bounces around a sun in the center. But by and large it's a big no. This feature of the image would represent the push and pull, the give and take, the exchange of energy and will that must take place at each stage of the progression of an event. When the image is colored something totally different might come to mind for you.... rather than trying to explain the evolution and involution of the colors, I should probably just start coloring 🤔... And then I would have an image to use as an example. in this color test is a glimpse of the enegram over time...think of it as a single image of the entire animation -------------- As for why I'm going to photograph. When I scan my art it is oversaturated. My only computer is a surface book. In order to do the color corrections necessary to bring the art back to the way it looks I would need to be able to calibrate my scanner to my monitor AND to my printer's machines. Typically this is done by everybody using the same ICC printer profile, and then calibrating the monitor to that. Since I've been forced to work off this laptop I do not have that ability. The ICC profile supplies all the different machines with identical color space data.... Which is really a fancy way of saying this is white this is gray this is black and we all agree on it. Since I don't have this ability I will photograph my work with a standard set of color cards in the image. With these color cards I can then adjust all these images blindly with Photoshop. I just select that white card and balance the whole image until that card is the same exact White in all 54 images. At this point I'll be fairly confident all the images match regardless of how my computer displays them. At the next stage... In choosing copic markers I chose an industry standard. Any of the printers I send these images to are going to know, for the most part, how these should look. In fact most of these shops will have color chips from copic, prismacolor, pantone, hks, etc. From those they can get a pretty good match.
MuninnMissinHuginn Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, whatsawhosit said: Yes and no. No and yes. This question is very much about how an enegram would function. That we should start a whole different thread about, if that is an interesting topic. Ah, I like these types of answers (and no sarcasm at all!). I like it because it seems to say nothing is one thing and only one thing. If I had enough faith in my ability to understand the enegram I would love to have you explain. However, I know my mind, and it would fold very quickly and I worry that it would be a colossal waste of your time to explain just for me. It is fascinating that 18 minutes ago, whatsawhosit said: This feature of the image would represent the push and pull, the give and take, the exchange of energy and will that must take place at each stage of the progression of an event. 27 minutes ago, whatsawhosit said: in this color test is a glimpse of the enegram over time...think of it as a single image of the entire animation Like some Asian paintings? Thank you for explaining why you are photographing the art. The adjustment from light on the screen to the pigment of the printing process is a battle I understand. The hand coloring has seemed to me to give a warmth that programs like Illustrator and Photoshop lack. Thank you so much for your time!
Guest Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 20 hours ago, MuninnMissinHuginn said: Ah, I like these types of answers (and no sarcasm at all!). I like it because it seems to say nothing is one thing and only one thing. If I had enough faith in my ability to understand the enegram I would love to have you explain. However, I know my mind, and it would fold very quickly and I worry that it would be a colossal waste of your time to explain just for me. It is fascinating ... I couldn't help but thinking that this might be the perfect place to actually describe how this works.These symbols aren't that hard to understand. They're only as complicated as the process that is applied to them. I bet by the time I'm done showing all these cards and blabbering about them you will know an awful lot about how a philosopher's stone and an ennegram function. Illustrate the process easier I'm going to do just the fire element first. The rings and The Three pedals represent an abstracted philosopher's stone. The circumscribed triangle.
MuninnMissinHuginn Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 57 minutes ago, whatsawhosit said: I bet by the time I'm done showing all these cards and blabbering about them you will know an awful lot about how a philosopher's stone and an ennegram function. I am game to learn if you don’t mind if I may not understand! Thank you. Okay so the center is an abstraction of the Philosopher’s Stone which is this symbol? Also if I am getting in the way of your posts please let me know, and I will be quiet 😀.
Guest Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, MuninnMissinHuginn said: I am game to learn if you don’t mind if I may not understand! Thank you. Okay so the center is an abstraction of the Philosopher’s Stone which is this symbol? Also if I am getting in the way of your posts please let me know, and I will be quiet 😀. Not at all you've done me a great service by putting up a plain image of a philosophers stone. We can actually disregard the square and the circle on the inside. The first thing we need to do is break it down into it's simplest parts to see how they work together. This triangle with the circle around it can be used to describe a great many things on its own. For one It is a blueprint for causality. Let's start with causality it's the most obvious thing that we deal with everyday. Causality is the law of cause and effect. The law of cause and effect is best described by Newton's three laws. Feel free to Google these, we would find he typically refers to just two things. A force acting on a force. A force acting on mass. Mass acting on a force. Most people are familiar with the law stating an object in motion tends to stay in motion until acted upon by an equal and opposite force.. I think this is the second part of the first law. What's not mentioned is what gave the initial object it's movement? Let's plug this into the philosopher stone. We shall number the points of the triangle 3 6 and 9. Clockwise the bottom right is three the bottom left is 6 and the Apex at the top is nine. Three is a ball in motion. Six is friction and it is an opposing Force to the ball in motion and slows the ball down. We have fulfilled the criteria of Newton's law, but we are unable to explain why the ball was in motion. Whatever it is at 9 chose to move the ball. There is always a third Force present.. every cause has an effect, and every effect is the cause of something else. While Newton's law describes something that is a straight line and does not complete itself. When we plug it into this philosopher's stone we come back to the initiating fotce, which is also the completed effect from the prior cause. Newton was very aware of this process he studied Alchemy quite a bit... But he was also a scientist and liked to measure things. It is possible to apply values to gravity and Mass and measure the acceleration of something. It is not possible to measure the intention of the movement that caused the Apple to fall in the first place. To the scientist of Newton's times that are the forefathers of our science, this third force was left to the realm of God and creation. It is a mystery why the apple chooses to fall at the moment that it chose to fall, we can only observe and measure the clockwork mechanical nature of the apple falling. And so that's the first step in understanding how the philosophers Stone works. Choose something that happens and fit it into the symbol. We push on the gas, the car the car moves forward. These can be points three and six, we have an action that creates a reaction. But what caused this action and where is it taking us? Point nine is both; it is deciding we want to go to the store and arriving at the store. I find it is easiest to perceive this relationship with the initiating thought or action at the top and the final thought or action at the top. To get good at this just requires practice. Start seeing the world around you as a cause and an effect with a cause.
MuninnMissinHuginn Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 So far this seems clear and understandable, but I have a question. 7 hours ago, whatsawhosit said: We push on the gas, the car the car moves forward. These can be points three and six, we have an action that creates a reaction. But what caused this action and where is it taking us? Point nine is both; it is deciding we want to go to the store and arriving at the store. I find it is easiest to perceive this relationship with the initiating thought or action at the top and the final thought or action at the top. Is it possible to also put “deciding to go to the store” at three, pushing on the gas six? Why did we decide to go to the store? We were hungry so that would be nine, and having food to eat would also be nine. Is that correct? I ask not to be difficult, but because I am curious. Also, what if the metaphor was pool or billiards. With the cue ball at three, the nine ball at six and the corner pocket at nine. We start at nine with the with aiming the cue stick and hitting the cue ball, the cue ball moves the nine ball to the corner. When the cue ball hit the nine ball, two balls are now in motion so is that the nine for the cue ball to be in motion in a new 3-6-9 cycle? Or am I not understanding? Also, I am guessing this principle can be applied to more abstract ideas such as conflict between to people or countries or ….. Thank you.
Guest Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, MuninnMissinHuginn said: So far this seems clear and understandable, but I have a question. Is it possible to also put “deciding to go to the store” at three, pushing on the gas six? Why did we decide to go to the store? We were hungry so that would be nine, and having food to eat would also be nine. Is that correct? I ask not to be difficult, but because I am curious. Also, what if the metaphor was pool or billiards. With the cue ball at three, the nine ball at six and the corner pocket at nine. We start at nine with the with aiming the cue stick and hitting the cue ball, the cue ball moves the nine ball to the corner... You definitely understand the premise of the first example. causality is an endless string of events and reactions, causes and effects that in theory should lead all the way back to the beginning of time. Let me ask you to take a moment with me and look closer at your observations and see what they indicate. what do they make apparent about our symbol? We find that our symbol is still two separate symbols working together. The circle and the triangle are describing two separate things. The points on that triangle are describing discrete events that take place within the single event that the circle is encapsulating. The circle in this example depicts time. Time is the space between events. If there are no events time didn't even take place. The time between these events could be nearly instantaneous, such as one decides to throw the ball and they just throw it immediately. The time between another two points may take quite a bit of time, you may have thrown the ball so hard it goes up for seconds and then it comes down for seconds. So yes if we start this process at 3 we now see 9 is the past and 6 is the future. If we start at 6 point 3 becomes the past 9 becomes the future. If we try to visualize this we end up with an impossible object. A spiral that goes around and comes back and meets itself at the beginning. We threw the ball it went up until it reaches point 6 and then it it came back we caught it at 9. The ball is exactly where it started in the first place but we have thrown and caught the ball one more time. If we were practicing the throwing of a ball we are one bit of practice better than we were... But on the outside it looks like everything is exactly as it was before we threw the ball. This means that the events in the triangle represent internal conditions as well as external conditions. What's happening at 9 in this case is not a measurable quantifiable thing in nature. But this point may very well have the largest single impact on an event. Another thing that becomes apparent when we recombine these two symbols and our analogy about throwing a ball. Once the decisions been made to throw it from zero to three, this will happen very fast. But from three all the way to nine the ball goes until it reaches its highest point at 6 and then it comes back down. There is a blending that takes place between the right half and the left half of the symbol. The things that are taking place on the right side are internal in this case, while the things that take place on the left side of the symbol are from the outside world. When I'm done with my next piece, I will photoshops additional lines on it. And we will apply the symbol to a more proper metaphor that can be expanded upon... We are reaching the limit of how far throwing a ball can take us. I'll ponder it while I work on this next piece, I'm sure I can come up with something nice and symmetrical that describes all the functions without getting too far ahead of ourselves.
Guest Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 4 hours ago, MuninnMissinHuginn said: So far this seems clear.. I added the numbers here so that people who are jumping in don't get lost just why we're referring to points of the triangle as 3 6 and 9. I've also divided this in half the symmetry here is important... But before we get into the new analogy and metaphors let's finish what we begin with the correlations between events at the points of the triangle and time represented by the circle. This is a very important topic because this is why this is referred to as a philosopher's stone. This relationship between events and time describes transformation. As we know in alchemy everything's about transmutation. When we take events separated by time what we are seeing are states of change in between those separate events. By changing the color of the numbers above it displays simply that there is a change from 0 to 3. Whatever it is that happens at 3 affects the current state attained between 0 and 3. This results in a new change due to the additional interactions, and creates the states of change between 3 and 6. Finally the the process moves even further with another added event to create even more change between 6 and 9. So if we step back and we see the entire philosopher's Stone as a single event we can then look closer and see that that single event is composed of three separate transitions or changes... Or in the language of alchemy transmutations... This is a gigantic subject for some other time and place. Now let's look at the pink line that separates everything down the center. We can see that the change from 0 to 3 happens in its own little world and the change from six to nine happens in its own little world. But the change from 3 to 6 is cut in half. There is a blending here of six reaching back and three reaching forward. It is this separation which corresponds to our ball reaching it's apogee and falling back down. In the next metaphor we are going to use this symbol to describe a grocery store. And this interaction will become very apparent and it will keep our symbol symmetrical so that we can discuss it more simply. Due to the laws of gravity the ball metaphor runs this symbol inverted and off-center... Which works quite well but it makes the learning and teaching aspect quite a bit more complicated. That ball that is cut in half with a sphere inside of it, I think it kind of looks like a toffifay candy, represents one's perspective of the overall event from a moment in time. That ball is going to rotate around the symbol one full revolution by the end of the animation. To help emphasize this as I am rendering the images that is the direction that the light shines from. The colors I chose for that shape represent the current state at the initiation of the event represented by the symbol, so we will see that color combination change as that shape crosses the borders of three six and nine.
MuninnMissinHuginn Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 22 hours ago, whatsawhosit said: The things that are taking place on the right side are internal in this case, while the things that take place on the left side of the symbol are from the outside world. So is this always true? Right side = internal world and Left side = external world? Also, I got a bit lost on the ball and the pink line so I drew what I understood you to mean. In order to avoid overlapping I split the drawing into up and down, labeling the time as I understood. So 0 and 9 look the same and are the same but at 9 the idea to throw the ball is gone. The idea of what is interior and exterior is a bit of a mystery. If the grocery store metaphor explains that then I will wait for that installment.
Guest Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 5 hours ago, MuninnMissinHuginn said: So is this always true? Right side = internal world and Left side = external world? Also, I got a bit lost on the ball and the pink line so I drew what I understood you to mean. In order to avoid overlapping I split the drawing into up and down, labeling the time as I understood. So 0 and 9 look the same and are the same but at 9 the idea to throw the ball is gone. The idea of what is interior and exterior is a bit of a mystery. If the grocery store metaphor explains that then I will wait for that installment. You definitely understand what's going on so far. But the ball is a tough one, it seems simple on the surface cuz it's just throwing a ball... But really we have the force of gravity, the opposition of friction, the intention and force we've added to the ball... It's not something that's going to fit into the philosophers stone real easy without a mountain of words. I think once we do the grocery store and we get past the philosopher stone and move into the ennagram we can re-attack the ball with some ease. 0 through 4 are typically going to be internal. All the same there's always cases where we see the ennagram run inverted, though it's more common to just see it run backwards. The ennagram is a living blueprint that describes something we can perceive. Once we learn how the ennegram works, and we know that we can fit any event or thing into it. Then we can be certain that it is only our lack of understanding of the event or thing that is preventing us from filling in the ennagram.
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