JohnLetter Posted July 24, 2019 Posted July 24, 2019 That guy waited so long for rain what would fill up his cups, but nothing happened. a)So he came elsewhere for get water for these cups, b)or find new place where is rain with new cups. What do you think?
Marigold Posted July 24, 2019 Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) John Letter : Why would the guy have been wanting rain ? There's plenty of water around him. (I assume you're talking about the RWS 8 of Cups). All he has to do is to cup his hands and drink. But it would seem that the water he has received (symbolic water of course - not literal) is not longer sufficient to quench his thirst. Sometimes one gets stuck on a journey (spiritual/career/relationship) because we're in need of some new inspiration, new impetus. The old stuff has been worn and done and new avenues must be explored. I believe that an eight can become complacent in a water (cup) element. It's too easy to just wallow in the comfort of that water. It's good to get out of one's comfort zone sometimes. I want to tell you, John Letter, that whenever I come to these boards, one of the first things I do is to look if you've given any new interpretations for cards, or your questions on them. I find that your sometimes unusual takes on the cards are most intriguing. Your questions are never nonsensical. Sometimes in need of refinement, but I think you have more talent in reading the cards than perhaps you give yourself credit. I would encourage you to continue to study the Tarot. You could become a very good reader one day. Serious. Edited July 24, 2019 by Marigold
LoveLightPeace Posted July 24, 2019 Posted July 24, 2019 Hi @JohnLetter I have moved this thread to Tarot Meanings, because it is discussing meanings of the 8 of Cups. Talking Tarot is for other tarot related discussions.
JohnLetter Posted July 24, 2019 Author Posted July 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Marigold said: John Letter : Why would the guy have been wanting rain ? There's plenty of water around him. (I assume you're talking about the RWS 8 of Cups). All he has to do is to cup his hands and drink. But it would seem that the water he has received (symbolic water of course - not literal) is not longer sufficient to quench his thirst. Sometimes one gets stuck on a journey (spiritual/career/relationship) because we're in need of some new inspiration, new impetus. The old stuff has been worn and done and new avenues must be explored. I believe that an eight can become complacent in a water (cup) element. It's too easy to just wallow in the comfort of that water. It's good to get out of one's comfort zone sometimes. I want to tell you, John Letter, that whenever I come to these boards, one of the first things I do is to look if you've given any new interpretations for cards, or your questions on them. I find that your sometimes unusual takes on the cards are most intriguing. Your questions are never nonsensical. Sometimes in need of refinement, but I think you have more talent in reading the cards than perhaps you give yourself credit. I would encourage you to continue to study the Tarot. You could become a very good reader one day. Serious. Hello, I really appreciate your words and interest. I just sometimes think of each cards and how they I feel them. Maybe that person doesnt need that water what is around him, but he wants something special. Maybe he waited for someone who fill up his cups, but no one came to him, so he decide to move on. He can come back and check out if these cups are filled, or also he left them there because they are so heavy for his hands.
Marigold Posted July 24, 2019 Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) Well perhaps a clue here would be to see what he's moving towards. After an 8 is a 9 so will this new step with the 9 of Cups provide him with the fulfillment he seems to lack in the 8 ? I spent a few years studying the works of a particular person and school of thought. They gave me much needed nourishment but there came a time that I felt it was time to explore some other avenues - to deepen certain aspects of the teachings I'd been studying. But I didn't abandon those cups. What had been in them was already a part of me, we had become inseparable. But I no longer needed to read the books and hear the words as these were just the outer trappings, necessary at one time, but no longer physically needed. So I could leave those outer trappings (the cups) behind but I took their precious essence with me. And went exploring some new territory. Not necessarily radically different (although I suppose this would depend on the reading and the position of the card in the spread - it could also mean that there is a turning required). The danger is to NOT throw the baby out with the bathwater when one is moving onto other things. I would like to hope that this gentleman on the RWS card is not abandoning his cups out of disillusion but more out of a desire to consolidate what he's gained. And it would seem that in the RWS Nine of Cups, he would have the possibility to achieve this in some measure. But he could of course have decided that all he'd done up to now had led to nothing... that would be a sad little 8 of Cups reversed. 😥 The 8 is quite a curious number. One of my favourites in the Tarot. It likes independence. And loves balance and movement at the same time. There's often a need to find some equilibrium when an 8 is drawn. The direction of his gaze seems to be towards the celestial bodies in the sky. As if he's saying "okay, I've heard you. I'll get a move on now." Edited July 24, 2019 by Marigold
Charlie Brown Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 17 hours ago, Marigold said: I believe that an eight can become complacent in a water (cup) element. It's too easy to just wallow in the comfort of that water. It's good to get out of one's comfort zone sometimes. Very Thothy, I think. 12 hours ago, JohnLetter said: Maybe he waited for someone who fill up his cups, but no one came to him, so he decide to move on. There's a certain tradition of thought. Honestly, I'm not sure where these sort of folk legends come from, that the dude leaving the 8 of Cups goes on to become The Hermit. He ascends the peak and in doing so ascends from 8 to 9.
Marigold Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Charlie Brown said: Very Thothy, I think. There's a certain tradition of thought. Honestly, I'm not sure where these sort of folk legends come from, that the dude leaving the 8 of Cups goes on to become The Hermit. He ascends the peak and in doing so ascends from 8 to 9. Thothy ? Really ? I thought it was Marseilly. Well, although I'm hugely distrustful of Crowley (his views on an ideal world governance give me the shivers - literally), I respect that he was most knowledgeable about certain matters. I'm never too surprised when at times the two Tarot traditions meet. Sometimes the meeting is accidental, sometimes not I would think. I don't think a minor card can become a major. But one can't ignore the fact that an 8 is an 8 and a 9 is a 9. There has to be some kind of correlation. Edited July 25, 2019 by Marigold
juyuio Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 Hi, JohnLetter, I'm new to ttf, but I hope I'd be able to shed some light on 8 of cups. To answer your question, I would say b because I read somewhere that 8/c is like parting ways. I have to say that I agree with that interpretation because the card portrays a woman turning her back on a disappointment, a former love.
Mi-Shell Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 Cups point to emotions 8 is also the number associated with infinity. If the person stays with the 8 cups, he/ she stays with something finite and possibly stagnant or something - friends/ situations that have run its course. Moving on, even if leaving loved ones, schoolmates/ colleagues behind is moving towards infinity. It is not easy, an uphill struggle, but worth the effort. It is a bit like bravely moving from the old and known into the unknown. I often get this card in FtF readings, when - the sitter needs to move on - after 3 years of mourning the loss of a mate, - the job is unfulfilling - a relationship is not fostering growth anymore, just complacency. - someone has to move to another city, leaving friends and family behind..... Situations like that......
Alizon Posted August 8, 2019 Posted August 8, 2019 On 7/29/2019 at 7:47 PM, Mi-Shell said: Cups point to emotions 8 is also the number associated with infinity. If the person stays with the 8 cups, he/ she stays with something finite and possibly stagnant or something - friends/ situations that have run its course. Moving on, even if leaving loved ones, schoolmates/ colleagues behind is moving towards infinity. It is not easy, an uphill struggle, but worth the effort. It is a bit like bravely moving from the old and known into the unknown. I often get this card in FtF readings, when - the sitter needs to move on - after 3 years of mourning the loss of a mate, - the job is unfulfilling - a relationship is not fostering growth anymore, just complacency. - someone has to move to another city, leaving friends and family behind..... Situations like that...... I agree with what Mi-Shell said. But I also think that for every person reading the tarot, the cards can have meanings that make sense for the reader personally. I think there is a reason you come up with that thought looking at the 8 of Cups.
Grizabella Posted August 16, 2019 Posted August 16, 2019 I've never studied Thoth or Marseilles and may not really have formally studied RWS as others have but when I see the 8 of Cups, with all those cups neatly stacked, it speaks to me that the traveler has taken the time to fully work through all the emotional baggage of the past experiences before setting off for that ninth cup. So often we just kind of ricochet between emotional attachments and experiences but don't slow down to fully work through our issues, which really isn't a healthy way to change our patterns and gain any positive progress. For instance, if a romantic relationship ends, but we don't slow down, bear the hurt and work through it all to learn the lessons it could bring, then we stagger from one unhealthy relationship into the next one, plastering a whole new set of problems onto the emotional wounds of the last one (or ones) but learning no lessons that will help to make the next experience any healthier.
katrinka Posted August 16, 2019 Posted August 16, 2019 On 7/24/2019 at 12:35 AM, JohnLetter said: That guy waited so long for rain what would fill up his cups, but nothing happened. a)So he came elsewhere for get water for these cups, b)or find new place where is rain with new cups. What do you think? It doesn't matter what he was doing with the cups - waiting for rain, building something, whatever. The thrust of the image is that he's walking away from them. And he's leaving them there. It doesn't matter what he paid for them, he's out. It's a card about cutting your losses and making a clean break, or, alternately, drifting and squandering.
JohnLetter Posted August 17, 2019 Author Posted August 17, 2019 14 hours ago, katrinka said: It doesn't matter what he was doing with the cups - waiting for rain, building something, whatever. The thrust of the image is that he's walking away from them. And he's leaving them there. It doesn't matter what he paid for them, he's out. It's a card about cutting your losses and making a clean break, or, alternately, drifting and squandering. Yeah in main point. But it's also about context in question you said to tarot.
JohnLetter Posted August 17, 2019 Author Posted August 17, 2019 On 7/24/2019 at 8:21 AM, Ruby Jewel said: I think he's going to look for a new place. He may not be looking for more cups though b/c he just woke up to the fact that the cups are the same ones in the 7 of cups......just a fantasy. So do you think he waited so long at 7 of cups card and he decided to move on. On 7/25/2019 at 4:02 AM, Charlie Brown said: Very Thothy, I think. There's a certain tradition of thought. Honestly, I'm not sure where these sort of folk legends come from, that the dude leaving the 8 of Cups goes on to become The Hermit. He ascends the peak and in doing so ascends from 8 to 9. Maybe his cups are blank and he came out for get new experiences and informations for fill up these cups. On 7/28/2019 at 3:55 AM, juyuio said: Hi, JohnLetter, I'm new to ttf, but I hope I'd be able to shed some light on 8 of cups. To answer your question, I would say b because I read somewhere that 8/c is like parting ways. I have to say that I agree with that interpretation because the card portrays a woman turning her back on a disappointment, a former love. Welcome here! ...And find new one cups? If I think of it, its like 8 of swords from opposite side. 8 of swords is about to be tied up and not able to move on, but 8 of cups is about a person who decided to move on. On 7/29/2019 at 7:47 PM, Mi-Shell said: Cups point to emotions 8 is also the number associated with infinity. If the person stays with the 8 cups, he/ she stays with something finite and possibly stagnant or something - friends/ situations that have run its course. Moving on, even if leaving loved ones, schoolmates/ colleagues behind is moving towards infinity. It is not easy, an uphill struggle, but worth the effort. It is a bit like bravely moving from the old and known into the unknown. I often get this card in FtF readings, when - the sitter needs to move on - after 3 years of mourning the loss of a mate, - the job is unfulfilling - a relationship is not fostering growth anymore, just complacency. - someone has to move to another city, leaving friends and family behind..... Situations like that...... Like leave unhappy relationship what gives you nothing and you want to find better place than this one. Also It may be about finding help in this situation what give you 9th cup. On 8/8/2019 at 10:44 AM, Alizon said: I agree with what Mi-Shell said. But I also think that for every person reading the tarot, the cards can have meanings that make sense for the reader personally. I think there is a reason you come up with that thought looking at the 8 of Cups. I came with this, because this card is different in read by question you ask. 20 hours ago, Grizabella said: I've never studied Thoth or Marseilles and may not really have formally studied RWS as others have but when I see the 8 of Cups, with all those cups neatly stacked, it speaks to me that the traveler has taken the time to fully work through all the emotional baggage of the past experiences before setting off for that ninth cup. So often we just kind of ricochet between emotional attachments and experiences but don't slow down to fully work through our issues, which really isn't a healthy way to change our patterns and gain any positive progress. For instance, if a romantic relationship ends, but we don't slow down, bear the hurt and work through it all to learn the lessons it could bring, then we stagger from one unhealthy relationship into the next one, plastering a whole new set of problems onto the emotional wounds of the last one (or ones) but learning no lessons that will help to make the next experience any healthier. If something depressive lasts so long, it's better to go on. Even it hurts. You will always remember that place for some reasons.
Grizabella Posted August 17, 2019 Posted August 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, JohnLetter said: So do you think he waited so long at 7 of cups card and he decided to move on. Maybe his cups are blank and he came out for get new experiences and informations for fill up these cups. Welcome here! ...And find new one cups? If I think of it, its like 8 of swords from opposite side. 8 of swords is about to be tied up and not able to move on, but 8 of cups is about a person who decided to move on. Like leave unhappy relationship what gives you nothing and you want to find better place than this one. Also It may be about finding help in this situation what give you 9th cup. I came with this, because this card is different in read by question you ask. If something depressive lasts so long, it's better to go on. Even it hurts. You will always remember that place for some reasons. That's very true about the 8 of Swords as compared to the 8 of Cups. I hadn't thought of the comparison before. The woman in the 8 of Swords is blindfolded. She does have a way out of the Swords, but she just can't see it, so she's afraid to try but she's probably in a panic and just wants to run. The 8 of Cups person, though, has worked through their situation with eyes wide open, taking the time to (even if it hurts, as you say) to meticulously, though painfully, do what's necessary to move to the next place. This is a Sword (intellect) vs. Cup (emotions) situation and then there's the coupling of the cards as Swords (male) and Cups (female). If we look at Wands and Pentacles, then, we also see the quick knee-jerk of the passionate and hasty 8 of Wands vs. the more deliberate and anchored Pentacles. Looking at the woman on the 8 of Swords vs. the male on the 8 of Cups, we've got the possible inference of a woman being a lily-headed paranoid person immobilized by fear while the male is the one who keeps his wits about him and does the sensible thing. This could reflect attitudes that are rather chauvinistic, I think. But on the other side, the opposite is true by portraying the male as being passionate and headstrong and just leaping before looking, while the female Pentacle is the one who keeps her feet on solid ground, keeping her wits about her while working things through before acting. Good ideas, John! 🙂 Food for thought for me before I've even had my coffee yet.
katrinka Posted August 18, 2019 Posted August 18, 2019 16 hours ago, JohnLetter said: Yeah in main point. But it's also about context in question you said to tarot. Yes, Context is important. "Context", in card reading, refers to the question, and the neighboring cards. There is also card essence to consider. If you look at the image, he's out there alone. He has no reason to expect anyone to fill the cups. And the sky is utterly cloudless, so he wasn't even expecting rainwater. He was just stacking them, and then he left. 11 hours ago, JohnLetter said: So do you think he waited so long at 7 of cups card and he decided to move on. Maybe his cups are blank and he came out for get new experiences and informations for fill up these cups. Welcome here! ...And find new one cups? If I think of it, its like 8 of swords from opposite side. 8 of swords is about to be tied up and not able to move on, but 8 of cups is about a person who decided to move on. Like leave unhappy relationship what gives you nothing and you want to find better place than this one. Also It may be about finding help in this situation what give you 9th cup. I came with this, because this card is different in read by question you ask. If something depressive lasts so long, it's better to go on. Even it hurts. You will always remember that place for some reasons. It's not the same guy pictured in the 7 of Cups. There's a kind of orderly numeric progression, yes, but the players change from one card to the next.
JohnLetter Posted August 18, 2019 Author Posted August 18, 2019 13 hours ago, Grizabella said: That's very true about the 8 of Swords as compared to the 8 of Cups. I hadn't thought of the comparison before. The woman in the 8 of Swords is blindfolded. She does have a way out of the Swords, but she just can't see it, so she's afraid to try but she's probably in a panic and just wants to run. The 8 of Cups person, though, has worked through their situation with eyes wide open, taking the time to (even if it hurts, as you say) to meticulously, though painfully, do what's necessary to move to the next place. This is a Sword (intellect) vs. Cup (emotions) situation and then there's the coupling of the cards as Swords (male) and Cups (female). If we look at Wands and Pentacles, then, we also see the quick knee-jerk of the passionate and hasty 8 of Wands vs. the more deliberate and anchored Pentacles. Looking at the woman on the 8 of Swords vs. the male on the 8 of Cups, we've got the possible inference of a woman being a lily-headed paranoid person immobilized by fear while the male is the one who keeps his wits about him and does the sensible thing. This could reflect attitudes that are rather chauvinistic, I think. But on the other side, the opposite is true by portraying the male as being passionate and headstrong and just leaping before looking, while the female Pentacle is the one who keeps her feet on solid ground, keeping her wits about her while working things through before acting. Good ideas, John! 🙂 Food for thought for me before I've even had my coffee yet. I thank you too! Just realized that difference between 8 of wands/pents. Like do everything without planning with 8 of wands and very often regardless of the consequences, but at 8 of pents you are working hard at something what have for you great value.
Page of Wands Posted August 19, 2019 Posted August 19, 2019 Hi! I love when people see another meanings or ask why things are like this on the tarot cards. My take on the 8 of cups: This person thinks that the cups need to be filled with the water that comes from "the heavens". When i say "heavens" i mean...no longer those cups has been filled in the right way and things arent working the best way for that person. Like: A relationship that is not longer works, a career that no longer fullfills you, or even the way you see life. So, you cant no longer fill those cups with your own experiences and moving forward the path you were doing it is very hard. What happens? You put all the cups in one place and ask for the unknown, the "heavens", to renew your hope. And the guy waits...waits...waits...this can last days, moths...years... One day he finally realizes that things arent like that anymore, the cups wont refill...he tried everything, even the help of the unknown, but things didnt change. So...he leaves... And the beauty of this card is: he leaves the cups behind. he will find new cups to live his life. This is my take about the rain and the card. See ya!
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