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Elin by the Sea

Probably fairly rare for someone interested in tarot, but I'm an agnostic atheist  :)

 

I would describe myself the same way, only with a serious bit of Theravada (Thai Forest) Buddhism thrown in. 

 

If we adhere to pedantic definition of atheist, then it's impossible to be both atheist and agnostic.  But I'd rather keep things practical.  I live my life as an atheist, but I can neither prove nor disprove the existence/non-existence of any higher power(s).  So technically, I guess I'm an agnostic atheist wannabe :)

 

 

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Discordianism ))

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Rabbithorns

I am a student, practitioner, (25 years) and teacher (15 years) of Tibetan Buddhism in the Gelugpa lineage. I did consider myself a buddhist since I was 17, though I had no specific lineage or teaching (other than books) until later in life.

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Thoughtful
On 10/14/2017 at 1:38 AM, Trogon said:

 

 

However, in spite of all of this, I primarily believe that a person has got to find their own path to "salvation" and their own path to enlightenment. It is critical that a person understands the difference between these. Salvation is a religious belief that one must accept certain tenets of a particular dogma in order to gain one's entrance into "heaven". In Christianity, of course, that is the acceptance of Jesus as your personal savior. However, a great many Christian sects and/or cults, add a great pile of other rules and regulations which you also have to follow in order to gain your salvation. It is these rules and edicts, the dogma, which annoys me the most about main-stream religion. The whole "you must do what we tell you and do it the way we tell you" in order to get into "Heaven" thing is more about control and money, than it is about salvation.

 

Enlightenment is, on the other hand, finding your own truth and discovering that you can have a direct connection to that truth and the cosmos ... on your own. Yes, teachers can be helpful, even vital in discovering your truth. But those teachers do not necessarily need to be in corporeal human form. Many of us are already aware of certain Spirit Guides who are helping us, individually, on our paths towards that enlightenment.

 

This is not to say that the main-stream Judeo-Christian religions have no place, nor that they are bad. For many, many people, they are necessary and good and help them 

 

And for those of us who do better seeking our own paths, we have often started from a base in one main religion or other. But for us, it was not enough. Perhaps we found the dogma to be stale and meaningless, or maybe it was too restrictive. Instead, we wanted to find our own Truth. Most of us who do seek our paths discover that doing the "good works" are just the right thing to do and we really don't need the Church telling we should do them.

 

All of this is something that we, as Tarot readers, should probably keep in mind. Many of our clients come to us because they might be feeling spiritually lost to one extent or another. They may need some ideas about what first steps they need to take to start finding their own path towards enlightenment. I have had one reading, many years ago, where a person was suffering depression and other spiritual issues. I remember their "advice" card was the Hierophant - along with other indicators. I told them the cards were saying they needed the direction and structure of the Church ... They started feeling better as soon as they went back.

 

 

Have read all of this thread with great interest  l wanted to bring Trogan's comments to the fore again.  l have edited his text to select my own feelings and the ones in particular which resonated with me,  it is where l feel comfortable today.  Though Trogan's whole post is worth a second read. (page 1)

Like some people here l have walked the many paths of religious belief.  People are so diverse and likewise so are the many belief systems that exist.  That's the beauty.  We cannot all be packed into one sardine can, thank goodness we have the freedom to follow what sings to our heart.  

 

 

 

 

 

On 10/14/2017 at 1:38 AM, Trogon said:

 

 

 

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AfternoonTarot

I’ve really enjoyed reading about how everyone found their current path.  

 

I’m a secular humanist.  Early on, my family of origin was Lutheran but then my parents joined one of the extreme Christian sects.  When I was a teenager, they moved us to a commune to join a cult which fortunately disbanded after one year.  It was the extremism that never set well with me, not the concepts of God or Christ.  I rather enjoyed the idea of God.  I just kept trying to make sense of everything and gradually settled upon my current path. 

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Netzach

I just took the quiz mentioned by Trogon, at http://www.beliefnet.com/entertainment/quizzes/beliefomatic.aspx?p=1

 

According to that, I'm New Age . . . which I'm not!  I actually describe myself (playfully) as a Judaeo-Buddhist-Spiritualist-closet Christian!  In other words, I was brought up Jewish, converted to Buddhism, became a Spiritualist when I discovered I was a medium, and have a strong affinity to the teachings of Jesus.  In more serious mood, I describe myself as a Buddhist Spiritualist.  I am somewhat shocked to find that in its long list of religions, the quiz doesn't even mention Spiritualism.

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Halcyon

I took the test too. I consider myself a progressive and open minded christian with an interest and even belief in other forms of worship including sufism buddhism and witchcraft. 

 

 

I got liberal Quaker lol 

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xTheHermitx

I hate to "grave-dig", but this is a cool topic...

 

I started as a good little Scandinavian/Germanic Lutheran kid thanks to my mom. My dad was an "along for the ride' Christian/Lutheran.

 

Around 10 or 11 years old, I started having lots of questions about what they were telling me in church/Sunday school. Also at this time, I started getting into punk/metal music, and was getting the "anti-religion/Christianity" message from that world as well. Also became fascinated with D&D and fantasy fiction. All of this started to open up my eyes to other possibilities, and I started questioning. It was not an "F -you" violent rebellion like most of my friends...it was more of like a curiosity in the symbolism, stories and other elements of other religions. I think I was getting bored with Christianity.

 

Another thing that happened was I noticed my dad quit going to church, and opted instead to go to the local parks, or some of the private farms we used for Boy Scout campouts, and spend Sunday mornings in nature. I would go with him sometimes - at mom's dismay - and found out that he was communing with nature...a pagan, and he didn't even know it!! He would also vehemently deny the label, stating that "pagans were just hippies looking for another excuse to get naked in the woods and smoke pot" <- (dad was a Marine Corps drill sergeant, and had come up in a pretty conservative white collar family)

 

It was around 8th grade that I officially decided that the respect, and worship of nature was my thing. During this time, I was also really getting into my Swedish heritage, and really been studying the Norse mythos. I got my first rune set in 7th grade, and had memorized most of the important stories of the Norse cosmology. By freshman year of high school, I was reading runes, and owned a lot of the available books at the time (early 80's) and was secretly celebrating my own version of Asatru, even though I didn't know what that was. I also went through the Lutheran confirmation to keep mom happy, but by then was mentally replacing the names and prayers with versions of my own to the Norse gods. Funny cause I "left" the Christian church right after that.

 

The whole time this was going on, I was also studying Western Hermetic Magik - thanks to the Ozzy song Mr. Crowley - and was loving the whole new world of secret signs, symbols and ideas waiting there. Obviously most of that going over my head, but being a huge fan of history, I immediately started reading about the people - John Dee, Eliphas Levi, Isreal Regardie etc...started learning about why people were getting into these studies and systems. Started learning about Qabbalah, Enochian, and other mystical systems. This whole time I was going to Catholic high school, but that was more to avoid the poor public school system we had. This led me to owning many books on the occult by the end of HS and my first tarot deck.

 

College was an awesome time of learning and researching. One of the classes that really moved me was a World Religions class I had to take as (what I thought was going to be ) a BS "liberal arts time waster"...it ended up being a HUGE corner stone of my spiritual formation. Through my 20's, I got more enlightened about the nature of the concept of "the higher power" and the strive to get as close as a human can to having that knowledge...touching Ain Soph. By my 30's, I was still living in the "comfy" world of Asatru, but was thinking that my idea of what the higher power is was becoming less rooted in likening it to human qualities, and more to defining it as a place to be...a condition of mental and spiritual being.

 

By 40, and as a result of all of my experiences up to that time, I felt like what I have been seeking, and what my religion is, is that of Balance. To me, ultimate peace, knowledge, and truth only happens when things are in balance.I feel like Ain Soph is Balance. True peace and happiness has to be a realization that all things happen for a reason, and too much of one thing causes imbalance...or evil as people call it. When things are out of balance, bad happens. But you can't have good without bad, so trying to avoid, or "hide" from bad is part of the problem.

 

People always ask "is the glass half full, or half empty?" To me, it is just half. And that is all I need. I have always been this way. In D&D, I would consider my self Lawful Neutral. 

 

So my religion, at least right now would be that of Balance. I still celebrate in the Norse tradition, and commiserate with that pantheon in respect to my ancestors. Heimdall is my patron god in that realm. And I also follow The Norns closely.  This is where I get my "warm/fuzzies". I even go to the Midnight Christmas celebration at my old Lutheran church with my mom becasue they do the whole service in German, and all by candle light...and that brings me in touch with something "medieval" about my spiritual history.

 

there is a ton more stuff that led me here, and that is still pushing me on the path of discovery, but I won't go on

 

Thank you if you read this whole "novel"!!

 

i hope everyone lives in Complete Balance as much as the ycan!!

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