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Aldor44

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Hey all

 

I am back after a long break

 

Hope you are ALL doing well!

 

I need some aid

 

Trying to master using Lenormand which is soo different from Tarot that it gives me a huge headache

 

Is there a possibility to find a Lenormand mentor here?

 

In any case a few things I have been struggling with - so maybe some experts might help

 

I dont really get the difference when one card is in front vs after another- like say house child or child house- this kid of things

 

Another issue is the the man /woman cards- how do I read them other then a man or woman... cause they seem to pop in the most irrelevant questions and throw me completely off...

 

I am sure I have more issues- but if anyone could help me resolve these two- I would highly appreciate it

 

Cheers

 

 

katrinka

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Speaking for myself, I can't commit to mentoring anyone, but I'm happy to help when I can.

Child - House might be "a child at home", while House - Child can be "a small house". The second card modifies or describes the first.
Some cards act on the one that follows: the Key locks/secures what comes after, the Scythe cuts the next card, etc.

The Man and Woman cards are always the significator, and someone who is important at the time of the reading - if not a partner, then a boss, family member, etc. They're never anything else. Additionally, they're best read according to gender - how a person identifies - rather than sex at birth. In other words, a trans woman is The Woman.

It would be a good idea to get this book while it's still available, since it's generally considered to be the best on the subject https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B010EAA5YQ/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0

Rana George's book is also good. The meanings she uses are slightly different - it's acceptable to use one of the different sets of meanings, but don't try to incorporate all of them. That's why it's best to limit your sources until you have a solid foundation.

Once you have your meanings down, you can explore other peoples' techniques. I use a lot from Andy, for instance, but my meanings are German, since that's what I started with. Malkiel gives a good rundown of German meanings in this playlist:
 


Good luck, and let us know if you run into any more problems!

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Grandma

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@Aldor44!!! I know nothing about Lenormand but I am SO GLAD to see you!  I just did a reading from the perspective of your horse!  In case you'd like to read it, here are the links:

Anyway, sorry for the off topic interruption but I had to say hello and WELCOME BACK (and show off a little, I admit it)!  And now we return to our previously scheduled programming already in progress.

 

Love, Grandma

Grandma

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No, not at all!  I used a brilliant interpretation of Aldor44's in my reading for InkBaby!

 

It's the Six of Wands read from the perspective of the horse.  I've been waiting for an opportunity to use it for a long time!  Check it out if you want.  You and I read very differently and I'd love to hear your thoughts!

Aldor44

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16 hours ago, katrinka said:

Speaking for myself, I can't commit to mentoring anyone, but I'm happy to help when I can.

Child - House might be "a child at home", while House - Child can be "a small house". The second card modifies or describes the first.
Some cards act on the one that follows: the Key locks/secures what comes after, the Scythe cuts the next card, etc.

The Man and Woman cards are always the significator, and someone who is important at the time of the reading - if not a partner, then a boss, family member, etc. They're never anything else. Additionally, they're best read according to gender - how a person identifies - rather than sex at birth. In other words, a trans woman is The Woman.

It would be a good idea to get this book while it's still available, since it's generally considered to be the best on the subject https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B010EAA5YQ/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0

Rana George's book is also good. The meanings she uses are slightly different - it's acceptable to use one of the different sets of meanings, but don't try to incorporate all of them. That's why it's best to limit your sources until you have a solid foundation. The Bear can be male or female, but it can't be both.

Once you have your meanings down, you can explore other peoples' techniques. I use a lot from Andy, for instance, but my meanings are German, since that's what I started with. Malkiel gives a good rundown of German meanings in this playlist:
 


Good luck, and let us know if you run into any more problems!

Thanks a lot!

 

About the man woman cards...

I still find it weird- cause lets say me and a friend go to the gym.. and I ask the cards beforehand- how is the gym session gonna go.. and I get woman, something something..,.It completely throws me off- both of us are males and I asked about the gym session so I dont know how to relate it now to the Question because of the woman card...

Aldor44

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15 hours ago, Grandma said:

@Aldor44!!! I know nothing about Lenormand but I am SO GLAD to see you!  I just did a reading from the perspective of your horse!  In case you'd like to read it, here are the links:

Anyway, sorry for the off topic interruption but I had to say hello and WELCOME BACK (and show off a little, I admit it)!  And now we return to our previously scheduled programming already in progress.

 

Love, Grandma

OFC I will have a look at it!

 

Gladly!

katrinka

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31 minutes ago, Aldor44 said:

About the man woman cards...

I still find it weird- cause lets say me and a friend go to the gym.. and I ask the cards beforehand- how is the gym session gonna go.. and I get woman, something something..,.It completely throws me off- both of us are males and I asked about the gym session so I dont know how to relate it now to the Question because of the woman card...

It could apply a lot of ways. There are women at the gym, women in the lives of you or your friend who might affect things ("I have to leave early, my sister is expecting me...", that kind of thing.)
You just have to figure out how it fits.

26 minutes ago, Aldor44 said:

Just got the kindle version of the book you suggested.. gonna dive into it ...

Excellent, kindle is a great option since it's searchable - that's convenient for a reference volume!

devin

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18 hours ago, katrinka said:

It would be a good idea to get this book while it's still available, since it's generally considered to be the best on the subject https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B010EAA5YQ/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0

Can I just second this. The book is soooo very, very good. You will not be disappointed, promise.

 

EDIT: Oops, I see you already got the book. Well, if anyone else is reading this and want to sharpen up their lenormand (or even tarot!), get it.

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JustPeachy

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On 8/29/2019 at 11:26 AM, devin said:

Can I just second this. The book is soooo very, very good. You will not be disappointed, promise.

 

EDIT: Oops, I see you already got the book. Well, if anyone else is reading this and want to sharpen up their lenormand (or even tarot!), get it.

Thank you and thanks to @katrinka for this suggestion. I just bought a copy on Ebay and they run around $21 USD with free shipping in the US. I don't have a Kindle. Besides, I'm old school and I like the ritual of holding a book, the smell of the paper/ink and the feel of turning a new page. Looking forward to delving into my Lenormand adventure!

devin

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9 hours ago, JustPeachy said:

Thank you and thanks to @katrinka for this suggestion. I just bought a copy on Ebay and they run around $21 USD with free shipping in the US. I don't have a Kindle. Besides, I'm old school and I like the ritual of holding a book, the smell of the paper/ink and the feel of turning a new page. Looking forward to delving into my Lenormand adventure!

Hey, cool. And I'm the same with paper. Have you come across Andy's blog? https://abfortuneteller.home.blog/

Ziev

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The Card Geek has some great YouTube videos about Lenormand. She is pretty straight forward which I appreciate. Oh and the Tarot Oracle has nine or so videos going over every card and reads with them too on YouTube. He has helped me a lot. Right now I am taking some courses by The Card Geek and I got Björn Meuris 'Petit Lenormand Encyclopedia' which has helped answer lots of questions. 

katrinka

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2 hours ago, Ziev said:

The Card Geek has some great YouTube videos about Lenormand. She is pretty straight forward which I appreciate. Oh and the Tarot Oracle has nine or so videos going over every card and reads with them too on YouTube. He has helped me a lot. Right now I am taking some courses by The Card Geek and I got Björn Meuris 'Petit Lenormand Encyclopedia' which has helped answer lots of questions.

 

Bjorn's books are somewhat skimpy, but it's solid material, he can read cards. I can't find fault with anything I've seen Toni say about Lenormand, either. But I would caution people against this Tarot Oracle guy. I just checked out a couple of his videos and he's doing exactly the thing I was recently complaining about in another thread - pretending to teach without having learned himself. People generally don't use astrological correspondences with Lenormand. I think he gets that from the Fiechter deck. Regula added them in, but they aren't part of the accepted method. And his meanings are muddy. If the Coffin is "loss", what is the Mice card? Why on earth would anyone stack a deck with two loss cards? And no, the Coffin isn't "transformation", either. He's borrowing from modern ideas about Tarot. The Coffin can be endings, a nasty shock, an illness, a literal box or container of some kind - but not the things he mentions.

He even recommends the Katz book. I reviewed that back when it first came out https://fennario.wordpress.com/2013/05/12/books-learning-lenormand/ Nobody who actually reads Lenormand well recommends the Katz book, at least not if they're being honest. See the comments under the blog post, they're pretty representative. It's not just me who sees no value in that book beyond the history chapter at the beginning.

I can recognize the need for clear, beginner-level videos (especially with Malkiel having taken his videos down again. *sigh*) But Hexe Claire still has her channel, and there's a lot of material there! She never went away. https://www.youtube.com/user/hexeclairechannel/search?query=lenormand

A lot of good readers have started with Hexe Claire. She won't lead you astray. 😉

And if you'd like something in print - at no cost! - Iris Treppner has made her course available here at no charge. https://www.spirisfeed.com/lana-download/lenormand-course/
That's enough to get you started, too. You get the basics - meanings, spreads, sample readings, and an extensive combo list. (Don't worry - that isn't meant to be memorized.)

I think Iris and Hexe Claire are great for getting your feet wet. They can even be studied together, since their meanings are compatible.


 

 

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Ziev

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Katrinka thank you so much for this! I will definitely check out Hexe Claire and Iris. I love Lenormand and how literal they are. It fits perfect with my reading style. 😃

 

I have heard the same about Katz book as well. Thanks for the advice about the Tarot Oracle too. I definitely want to read the cards the method they are intended for. I recently discovered I was reading them wrong then I found Toni and Bjorn. I’m excited to check out the two you recommend. Thanks again! 

Decan

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What is a bit confusing with Lenormand are conflicting information about the meanings of the cards and methods. Everyone has something to say and why not but from there the topic can become very muddled, and from muddle no much clarity can appear, but it's just my view!
Actually I really don't have a ton of meanings for each of the cards, of course more than 3 keywords (but not a novel either). 🙂

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Marcus Katz and Tali Goodwin’s book is best read after one has a reasonable understanding of the method(s) of interpretation. Such an understanding can be cultivated through several different avenues — free (Hexe Claire, Elvira) or otherwise (Rana, Björn,  Silvestre, et cetera).

 

Do beware of sweeping statements (the playing cards are ”contradictory“) and generalisations (this French and that is German). Do GTs and eschew keywords. Beyond that one should find the cards themselves will point you in the right direction and away from fads. 

 

It is a shame that Malkiel Dietrich has closed is YouTube; however one can understand such an action.  

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Decan

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2 hours ago, leroidetrèfle said:

It is a shame that Malkiel Dietrich has closed is YouTube; however one can understand such an action.

Oh I didn't know, well...

AJ-ish/Sharyn

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haven't got a clue who he is but his youtube channel and full of stuff with posts as recent as 8 hours ago. 

katrinka

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22 hours ago, leroidetrèfle said:

Marcus Katz and Tali Goodwin’s book is best read after one has a reasonable understanding of the method(s) of interpretation. Such an understanding can be cultivated through several different avenues — free (Hexe Claire, Elvira) or otherwise (Rana, Björn,  Silvestre, et cetera).

Boroveshengra...😁

22 hours ago, leroidetrèfle said:

 

Do beware of sweeping statements (the playing cards are ”contradictory“)

Ack! Only the common PC interpretations.
I think those are Italian? I could be wrong, though. There's a heavy Martello influence.
In any case, I'm not seeing Alemannic/Alsace in the way playing cards are commonly interpreted.

22 hours ago, leroidetrèfle said:

and generalisations (this French and that is German). Do GTs and eschew keywords. Beyond that one should find the cards themselves will point you in the right direction and away from fads. 

Yes. I'm heavily influenced by "German", but show me Britta Kienle and I'm a lost child, lol.
I do like keywords (it took me a good dozen years to arrive at workable ones, though.) But fads and trends should be given a wide berth, in any circumstances. Not just cards. (If anyone doubts this, google "bad 80's photos.")

22 hours ago, leroidetrèfle said:

 

It is a shame that Malkiel Dietrich has closed is YouTube; however one can understand such an action.  

Yes. What's the old saw? "No good deed goes unpunished."

Ziev

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On 1/31/2020 at 9:25 PM, katrinka said:

He even recommends the Katz book. I reviewed that back when it first came out https://fennario.wordpress.com/2013/05/12/books-learning-lenormand/ Nobody who actually reads Lenormand well recommends the Katz book, at least not if they're being honest. See the comments under the blog post, they're pretty representative. It's not just me who sees no value in that book beyond the history chapter at the beginning.

@katrinka I really like your blog and love your writing style! I ended up spending a few hours reading most of it along with all the comments. I had to subscribe to it, lol. 

 

On 2/2/2020 at 8:10 AM, katrinka said:

Yes. What's the old saw? "No good deed goes unpunished."

Why did he close it down?

katrinka

katrinka

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On 2/3/2020 at 7:22 PM, Ziev said:

@katrinka I really like your blog and love your writing style! I ended up spending a few hours reading most of it along with all the comments. I had to subscribe to it, lol. 

Thank you!

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Why did he close it down?

Edit: It's back up.
All is well, after all! 🙂 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQ3xu6jyb-iYsoorBJS11-A/search?query=lenormand

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Mesha

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On 2/1/2020 at 9:45 AM, Guest said:

Silvestre

Anyone know if this author has any English material or only French? I couldn’t find English so I’m kinda confused.  

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