Raggydoll Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, Grizabella said: Well, Death could be seen as manipulative if someone were to commit suicide or a murder out of spite or rage, right? Ace of Cups holds the promise of the whole suit, but a person could use that promise as a manipulative ploy if they were conning somebody they knew wanted a "happily ever after". How about the Tower??? That one is a bolt out of the blue, kind of. I can't think of a way it could be used manipulatively by a human, can you? I guess to stretch a point, if somebody threw a hand grenade into the tower, that would be somewhat of a bolt out of the blue and war is definitely a manipulative thing. Yes, and someone could be trying to suppress a tower situation too. OR they could be the catalyst of tower situations - like if a person hides financial troubles from their family in order to manipulate the way their surroundings view them, and then boom - everything catches up with them and they are forced to give up their house.
Grizabella Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Raggydoll said: Yes, and someone could be trying to suppress a tower situation too. OR they could be the catalyst of tower situations - like if a person hides financial troubles from their family in order to manipulate the way their surroundings view them, and then boom - everything catches up with them and they are forced to give up their house. Not wanting to get political here so I won't mention names but there's a certain high profile person here in the US whose fortune has been proven to be a sham by a recent comprehensive magazine investigation type article----that's definitely a Tower example of manipulation like you mention, too.
Grizabella Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 How about the 9 of Wands? The guy in the RWS image is standing there all beat up and on guard, so if there's anything manipulative involved in that card, it might have been done by whoever beat him up, but he doesn't look very manipulative. Maybe having all the other wands behind him is his manipulative ploy to make whoever beat him up think there's a bunch of other guys hiding who belong to those wands to manipulate his enemies into being afraid to come back and finish him off, though, huh?
Grizabella Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) How about the Star? Or maybe the Sun, because it's a star, too. Edited October 25, 2019 by Grizabella
Flaxen Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 9 of Wands is a guard alright, defending boundaries etc. I wonder if he’s actually ‘defending’ something/someone or just not letting them leave. In certain people this could easily flip to a dynamic of ‘I’m just doing it protect you’ while presenting themselves as the injured party.
Grizabella Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, Flaxen said: 9 of Wands is a guard alright, defending boundaries etc. I wonder if he’s actually ‘defending’ something/someone or just not letting them leave. In certain people this could easily flip to a dynamic of ‘I’m just doing it protect you’ while presenting themselves as the injured party. Good thought, Flaxen.
Eric13 Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 @Grizabella I would say only men judge those Pentacles like that!
Eric13 Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 Note to self: check spelling when using phone, dont change topics.
Grizabella Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Eric said: @Grizabella I would say only men judge those Pentacles like that! You're a bad boy, Eric! 😛 😄
Eric13 Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 As has been mentioned, any card can be described in a way as to make them look manipulative. But I am disagreeing with some of the cards. I dont feel theres anything really in that aspect with the 9 of Wands. Or all of the Court cards.
Raggydoll Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 36 minutes ago, Eric said: As has been mentioned, any card can be described in a way as to make them look manipulative. But I am disagreeing with some of the cards. I dont feel theres anything really in that aspect with the 9 of Wands. Or all of the Court cards. Regarding the court cards, I agree that some of them are less inclined toward manipulation. Especially the pages. But one thing this whole discussion made me think of is the quote that “We’re all bad in someone else’s story” And I think that’s absolutely true. A reading is based on the sitter and their perspective, and most people will have ‘bad guys’ in their life. (Totally off topic but I suddenly found myself wondering what cards would show up in a general reading for Dalai Lama...)
Eric13 Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 Dali Lama wouldn't hesitate to say no one is perfect.
Rodney Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 10:21 PM, Adriana said: Manipulation can be in many forms, anywhere from downright malicious to almost benign. But what cards would you say can come up for manipulation? I've taught a class that I call 78 Riffs on a Theme and Manipulation is one of the topics I cover. By the name of the class, you can probably guess that all 78 of the cards can show some form of manipulation. I'm not going to list all the cards here, and I haven't read all the responses to this thread, but some cards folks might not associate with manipulation are: AW - manipulation of or through one's desires AC - manipulation of one's emotions AS - manipulation of thoughts AP - manipulation of resources Sun - manipulation through what makes one happy 2C - playing on one's emotions KnS - manipulating one into a knee-jerk reaction QW - playing on one's vanity 7P - Passive-aggressive manipulation (in the sense of forcing someone else to wait)
4Angels Posted November 4, 2019 Posted November 4, 2019 I’m SO very new to this forum and have never done anything like this before, but these would be a few of my own guesses as cards used as manipulation. I really liked the 7 of pentacles interpretation! - 3 of cups could be manipulating through a gang like mentality - 4 of swords is maybe using ones ill health as a form of manipulation - 6 of cups - don’t you remember everything I did for you? Or something along those lines... That’s just a few of my own anyway🙂
Rodney Posted November 5, 2019 Posted November 5, 2019 19 hours ago, 4Angels said: - 3 of cups could be manipulating through a gang like mentality Yup. Manipulation through peer pressure.
Jungian Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 (edited) I would say the Devil. He stands fro deception and control. The Magician? Yes, if it is followed by a card with negative connotation (like the Devil). I remember myself when I did a year spread and I have the Magician as the card of the year's main theme. The beginning of the year was good, the first six cards were overwhelmingly positive. Here the Magician implies resourcefulness and ability. But the other half of my year was very bad as I trusted a person who promised me the earth but in the end he was a charlatan, a person who promises everything but delivers nothing. Hence, the Magician was this trickster. This is just my experience... others may disagree. You can make your assumptions... I think there is a double meaning in the Magician, as well as in most cards. Edited February 1, 2020 by Jungian
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