_R_ Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 On 12/18/2019 at 5:13 PM, jupiter said: Sorry to interrupt – this discussion has been so interesting to read – but @katrinka can you perhaps recommend a good read on this topic? It seems that if there is anything concise written, you surely must know about it 💐 One of the early Grimaud LWBs deals with this concisely, and it is in English too. See the dedicated thread for the files.
devin Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 7 hours ago, _R_ said: One of the early Grimaud LWBs deals with this concisely, and it is in English too. See the dedicated thread for the files. https://www.thetarotforum.com/forums/topic/7060-grimaud-tarot-of-marseilles-booklets/
Hummingbird Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 I read for myself. I am still learning and find it helpful.
AeonHorus Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 I often read for myself and yes it is hard to be truly impartial. The easiest way I have found is to E-mail myself the question I want answering then I craft a spread and type out the read as if I'm doing a remote read for someone else. That way then you can really delve into the read, stay impartial and really feel that you are reading for a third party. Plus another definite advantage is that you can print out your read and keep it to hand and re-read if and as and when needed, give yourself feedback etc. As a learning tool it can be quite invaluable.
AeonHorus Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 On 1/16/2020 at 2:07 AM, Hummingbird said: I read for myself. I am still learning and find it helpful. We are all still learning 😉 We never stop 🙂
katrinka Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, AeonHorus said: I often read for myself and yes it is hard to be truly impartial. The easiest way I have found is to E-mail myself the question I want answering then I craft a spread and type out the read as if I'm doing a remote read for someone else. That way then you can really delve into the read, stay impartial and really feel that you are reading for a third party. Plus another definite advantage is that you can print out your read and keep it to hand and re-read if and as and when needed, give yourself feedback etc. As a learning tool it can be quite invaluable. Ouch. This isn't a shot at you, but it's a shot at how far modern Tarot has run off the rails. You shouldn't have to do that. You should be able to lay a few cards and get a clear answer at a glance. There's been too much ambiguity and sludgy thinking injected into it. "No bad cards!", etc. Yes, there ARE bad cards. They can be good in certain contexts (sometimes Death/endings are welcome) but the fact remains that some cards are NOT "happy happy joy joy". The Tower, 9 and 10 of Swords, etc. They're nasty. I don't even craft spreads. For most questions, a simple line of 3, 5, or 7 will do. Have you gotten into playing card reading, or Lenormand? Those are beneficial for Tarot reading. They help you cut through the goop that gets pushed nowadays.
AeonHorus Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, katrinka said: some cards are NOT "happy happy joy joy". The Tower, 9 and 10 of Swords, etc. They're nasty. How very very true. There is quite the balance of good vs evil in the 78 cards. I've been reading since 1992 and I've never felt the need for any reversals because of this exact reason. Oh and by the way lol I can take a shot or two without the need to cry to me mommy 😄 I don't take things like that personally and you are quite right, I read for myself all the time with simple 3 and 5 card spreads and I don't e-mail myself every time lol. If it is an especially pressing question of some importance then I do do it that way. It was a suggestion to @Mark Foot the thread starter as he said he was having difficulties, so in doing this he can stay impartial and also learn the cards at the same time.
katrinka Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, AeonHorus said: How very very true. There is quite the balance of good vs evil in the 78 cards. I've been reading since 1992 and I've never felt the need for any reversals because of this exact reason. Oh and by the way lol I can take a shot or two without the need to cry to me mommy 😄 I don't take things like that personally and you are quite right, I read for myself all the time with simple 3 and 5 card spreads and I don't e-mail myself every time lol. You're well out of noob territory, then. I can relax, lol. Seriously, I've been at this card reading thing for awhile myself. And a lot of the ideas I see being punted around as The Right Way are pretty alarming. 3 minutes ago, AeonHorus said: If it is an especially pressing question of some importance then I do do it that way. It was a suggestion to @Mark Foot the thread starter as he said he was having difficulties, so in doing this he can stay impartial and also learn the cards at the same time. It's actually not a bad idea. A lot of my notes are in my email: links, things I've copypasted and sent to myself, old readings, correspondence, etc. It's all searchable, when my hard drives go belly up, the information is still there.
AeonHorus Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, katrinka said: And a lot of the ideas I see being punted around as The Right Way are pretty alarming. Ha! Yeah I hate that too. Is there really a right way ? It's like the way of life... To Quote the Levellers There's only one way of life and that's your own! Same with Tarot!
katrinka Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, AeonHorus said: Ha! Yeah I hate that too. Is there really a right way ? It's like the way of life... To Quote the Levellers There's only one way of life and that's your own! Same with Tarot! YES - in a sense. There's a lot of leeway for how you approach it: predictive, hermetic/occult, introspective/psychological, etc. BUT - I kind of loathe the "anything goes/Tarot is anything you want it to be" trope. Because it needs boundaries. It doesn't work otherwise. Death, for example, in a reading, is an ending. If it's "transformation" it's not a butterfly emerging from a cocoon, it's rot. I LIKE havig bad cards. They give me a heads up when things might go wrong. I suspect you might feel the same. If you ever want to get into a non-Tarot deck, I recommend this one. http://www.lemegeton.com/blog/2012/07/14/the-grand-lenormand-in-rough-translation-3/
AeonHorus Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, katrinka said: I LIKE havig bad cards. They give me a heads up when things might go wrong. I suspect you might feel the same. Exactly!!!
AeonHorus Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, katrinka said: If you ever want to get into a non-Tarot deck, I recommend this one I have a Lenormand deck. Celtic Lenormand by Will Worthington the guy who did the Druid Craft Tarot, Druid Animal Oracle and the Druid Plant Oracle (all of which I own lol) But I haven't gotten around to using it yet. Had it 2 years too lol
katrinka Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, AeonHorus said: I have a Lenormand deck. Celtic Lenormand by Will Worthington the guy who did the Druid Craft Tarot, Druid Animal Oracle and the Druid Plant Oracle (all of which I own lol) But I haven't gotten around to using it yet. Had it 2 years too lol That's the 36 card Lenomand. And I do love that system, and if you ever decide to deep dive, get this: https://smile.amazon.com/Lenormand-Thirty-Six-Cards-2015-ebook/dp/B010EAA5YQ/ref=dp_kinw_strp_1 But the one I was referring to is the Grand Jeu, the AstroMythological Lenormand. Much more complex (not that simple is bad - I use 36 card Lenormand more often than not) Its just a different ball-o-wax. Neither has any known and provable connection to Mlle. Lenormand, BTW. The Petit (36 card) "Lenormand" originated with Hechtel's game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Kaspar_Hechtel The Grand Jeu MIGHT be connected to Mlle. Or not, It's been continuously in print since 1840, though,
gregory Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, katrinka said: Death, for example, in a reading, is an ending. If it's "transformation" it's not a butterfly emerging from a cocoon, it's rot. Rot is tissue becoming something else. Just saying. As in that most excellent book about death, "The Tenth good thing about Barney." Quote The tenth good thing about Barney is that he is helping the flowers grow. That’s a pretty nice job for a cat. Also the Penguin of Death - where you "become" stardust or something, when you die.. Quote You suddenly EXPLODE Into a million specks of dust. And out there in the ether You are HAPPY. You are FREE.
katrinka Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, gregory said: Rot is tissue becoming something else. Just saying. Well yeah. But we have this pesky thing called attachment. So when things we love turn into ashes or dirt or what have you, we don't experience it as pleasure. 2 minutes ago, gregory said: As in that most excellent book about death, "The Tenth good thing about Barney." ??? Please gregory - no purple dinosaurs. 2 minutes ago, gregory said: Also the Penguin of Death - where you "become" stardust or something, when you die.. The stardust is the atoms of our meat bodies, but where is consciousness? "To sleep, perchance to dream...aye, there's the rub."
AeonHorus Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, katrinka said: Well yeah. But we have this pesky thing called attachment. So when things we love turn into ashes or dirt or what have you, we don't experience it as pleasure. ??? Please gregory - no purple dinosaurs. The stardust is the atoms of our meat bodies, but where is consciousness? "To sleep, perchance to dream...aye, there's the rub." 21 grams
gregory Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 @katrinka You totally do't believe in any kind of afterlife, then ? My jury is out on that big time - not least because of some strange experiences I and others I know and trust have had. I don't say there is, but I am increasingly less convinced that there isn't.
AeonHorus Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, gregory said: @katrinka You totally do't believe in any kind of afterlife, then ? My jury is out on that big time - not least because of some strange experiences I and others I know and trust have had. I don't say there is, but I am increasingly less convinced that there isn't. The older you get that wish grows stronger I guess 😉
katrinka Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, gregory said: @katrinka You totally do't believe in any kind of afterlife, then ? My jury is out on that big time - not least because of some strange experiences I and others I know and trust have had. I don't say there is, but I am increasingly less convinced that there isn't. I can't say I don't. Everything gets recycled. I think I'll go back to whatever I was doing before I was born, but I'm not sure what that is/was. I think I'll go on. But I'm not sure I'll be "me", if that makes any sense. I think I might melt into some big IS-ness. And I'm OK with that.
Eric13 Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 The Sun can be a bad, or "No" meaning card, just as the Tower, 9&10 of Swords can be good cards, especially if you understand the numbers, and look at them for future interpretations. Cards don't have one way meanings.
katrinka Posted January 20, 2020 Posted January 20, 2020 18 hours ago, Eric said: The Sun can be a bad, or "No" meaning card, just as the Tower, 9&10 of Swords can be good cards, especially if you understand the numbers, and look at them for future interpretations. Cards don't have one way meanings. In certain contexts. You certainly don't want the Sun to turn up for somebody who's trying to do something evil, as it would make them successful. But when you fall into the muddy interpretations, the reading gets muddy. And then you're asking for help with a spread that ought to be crystal clear.
theholysticvagabond Posted January 20, 2020 Posted January 20, 2020 I love reading for myself. When someone ask me if I loved more this ex past relationship or that ex, I'm like "Well, you can't compare. It's just two really different love stories". I have the same feeling with "reading for myself" vs "for others". It's just not the same rules, approach, and goals. I can understand that not everyone can read for himself. In my case, it just feels right, as I'm fully aware of the biased vibes i could get. But it's also by phases. Sometimes i feel i don't want to read for me, and only for others. Sometimes it's the opposite. If you really need to read for yourself, you'll do it.
Raggydoll Posted January 20, 2020 Posted January 20, 2020 Let’s not forget: If anyone is worried that they have clouded judgment regarding their own reading, then simply post it here in Your Readings and will give you our objective perspective 😊
SacredPath Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 Quote I find that the readings you do for yourself resonate the most when something "big" has happened. Like if you've just had a breakup or an argument that happened you can gain insights. They don't work as well in my experience for other things. I still go to readers 3 or 4 times a year when something big is happening and I don't want to worry about a filter that I'm applying to my own reading.
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