Bobbi Posted April 26, 2021 Posted April 26, 2021 (edited) A friend told me he had a tarot card reading years ago at some county fair (early 1990’s) The reader told him(so he claims) that he will die at age 57. Now, in my experience (which isn’t a lot) I didn’t think readings actually tell one that specific of details...am I right? I want him to have another reading...& yet do I? (It’s been years since I’ve had a reading, so personally I’m way over due) any insight would be greatly appreciated thank you Edited April 26, 2021 by Bobbi More detail
DownUnderNZer Posted April 26, 2021 Posted April 26, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bobbi said: A friend told me he had a tarot card reading years ago at some county fair (early 1990’s) The reader told him(so he claims) that he will die at age 57. Now, in my experience (which isn’t a lot) I didn’t think readings actually tell one that specific of details...am I right? I want him to have another reading...& yet do I? (It’s been years since I’ve had a reading, so personally I’m way over due) any insight would be greatly appreciated thank you It can be done to a tee, but it isn't really something that should be done at all maybe. Plus - no one is 100% accurate. Examples: 1) Years ago this UK Psychic read for a group of girls on the birthday of one, but knew that one of them was going to die that night and wanted that girl to enjoy her last night so didn't say what she saw. That girl did have the time of her life and was sadly killed in a car accident just hours after her reading. That UK Psychic gave an envelope to each of those girls with a special message for each to be opened later and on opening hers, after the funeral, it was found to be blank. You see, there was no message because there was no future for her. 2) A Psychic in Melbourne, Australia, told this elderly woman that she had less than a year to live. I think this is in the last 10-15 years...maybe less. So, what did that old woman do? She sold up everything and made the most of it travellng and what have you. One year later she was still alive and thriving. That reading was inaccurate and left that poor old woman high and dry and not very happy. 3) A good friend of mine asked if I would read and give her a timing of death on her ex husband which went against the grain for me because we really aren't supposed to plus I had learned a very hard lesson doing that once before in a practice session years ago when I first started learning the Lenormand. Fast forward - Her ex husband surpassed the dates given by doctors for when he would pass away, but had no issues whatsoever tormenting his only child no end and this in turn upset my friend - her mother. So, because he was already diagnosed with terminal cancer I weighed it up and decided I would read on it, but told her that nothing was a sure thing or set in stone. Anyways, I told her August/September would likely be when he would pass away. In October of that same year after she had returned from abroad and interstate (her daughter) she told me that he died at the end of August. Like the 26th or 28th. In other readings of my own - deaths have come up as well and have occured, but it isn't like I choose for that to happen plus birth, life and death go hand in hand. Normally though I wouldn't share things like that on other's readings and it's not something I see a lot of anyhow. PS I did see it for another person I really held in high esteem, but didn't tell her. I told my sister straight after because it bothered me somewhat, and after this incredible woman passed away, well, some time later I told her husband. He was excellent about it though. Why? They mentored me in Mediumship to see if I would like it or not and were the ones that taught us not to bring up death with querents. So, I didn't. Anyways, most readers won't usually touch on subjects like that and if doing right by you - you should come away feeling lighter, positive and enthusiastic. DND 🌞 Edited April 26, 2021 by DownUnderNZer Spacing correction.
Bobbi Posted April 26, 2021 Author Posted April 26, 2021 Thank you- makes me feel better about having another reading done for him.
DanielJUK Posted April 26, 2021 Posted April 26, 2021 welcome to the community @Bobbi - do post in the introductions area of the forum here for everyone to welcome you here if you want 🙂 If it is possible (and many people would question it) they either went with a intuitive feeling this was the case or maybe a clairvoyant message or they are really good at tarot timing! There are different ways of doing timing with the cards, the main one by time with the different suits but it would be very tricky to do such a prediction with only the cards, you are right Bobbi it's just not specific enough. I think maybe they went with a intuitive or psychic message for your friend. We can't know for sure, perhaps they get messages by some higher power or they are a scammer! Making predictions in the future is not certain, things can change and you can do something else and that date of death changes! There is another factor here about reading ethics, I personally would NEVER tell someone when they are going to die, even if I saw it. But I have never had a specific message like that come up. I would question why a reader would tell someone that. When you use divination for future predictions you can never be sure if it will come true or not. In recent years it's become a bit unfashionable to make predictions, tarot became more of an analysis of the present and the self, but I like to make predictive readings! I would never make such a prediction and also I cannot guarantee what I say. Things do come true, things don't, is that my accuracy? or did someone use their free will to change the path of the prediction? I cannot say! I am not a professional reader, it's a hobby for me but when I do readings for people I am accountable for the readings I give, people come back to me and give me updates. I would argue that seeing someone at a county fair means they are unaccountable for the readings they give, I mean when will the client see them again or be able to contact them? I once had a reading at a fair here when I was 17, it was in a really cute traditional gypsy caravan. The reading said all kinds of ludicrous stuff and it seemed so amazing in that moment but none of it came true. I never saw that caravan or reader again! So beware, readers can say anything and the ethics and reliability of it is something we have to judge for ourselves. It's cruel that your friend will think about this when they are coming up to their late 50's forever more 😞 Do get a reading in future, this is something rare and unethical, the reader should not be doing readings like this. You can also ask for readings where you don't ask about the future as a choice
ironwing Posted April 27, 2021 Posted April 27, 2021 When I was a teen going to university, a lot of tarot readers in the area were all about the doom and gloom. It seemed to me that they tried one-upping each other by giving clients the darkest readings they could, regardless of the question. I understand the allure of predictive reading, but that kind of behavior was just distasteful to me, and put me off learning the cards for a long, long time. I don't read cards professionally. I haven't done any readings for myself or others where details of an actual physical death made themselves known. That said, I feel that reading on this subject treads on pretty murky ethical territory. Personally, I wouldn't read for someone on this, and I wouldn't offer that information to a person if such a portent ever came through. I'm of the mind that one must be critical (and I mean discerning and evaluative instead of condemning and censorious) of the message as well as the medium in various matters—whether that's the news, social media, or even the tarot.
DownUnderNZer Posted April 27, 2021 Posted April 27, 2021 2 hours ago, ironwing said: When I was a teen going to university, a lot of tarot readers in the area were all about the doom and gloom. It seemed to me that they tried one-upping each other by giving clients the darkest readings they could, regardless of the question. I understand the allure of predictive reading, but that kind of behavior was just distasteful to me, and put me off learning the cards for a long, long time. I don't read cards professionally. I haven't done any readings for myself or others where details of an actual physical death made themselves known. That said, I feel that reading on this subject treads on pretty murky ethical territory. Personally, I wouldn't read for someone on this, and I wouldn't offer that information to a person if such a portent ever came through. I'm of the mind that one must be critical (and I mean discerning and evaluative instead of condemning and censorious) of the message as well as the medium in various matters—whether that's the news, social media, or even the tarot. @ironwing I believe querents/sitters should come away from a reading feeling enlightened, empowered, optimistic and hopefully informed with possibilities - that doesn't mean things have to be sugar coated or catered to what they want to hear. As a reader you have to be tactful, diplomatic, and responsible because some do take on board what is conveyed quite literally. I'm not a professional reader either and don't want to be. Bottom line though is no person should have to watch over her/his shoulder or believe fate is about to deal them a horrible hand. I have actually come across readers in my time that have done some truly questionable things that weren't right at all - this was in my younger days when I started my spiritual journey. Sometimes the damage was rather extensive. There was one female that told this young girl (I was there observing) that her boyfriend had been cheating and had HIV/AIDS and she did that to almost everyone she "read" - it turned out she was a "scammer" not a "reader" that got her kicks out of causing major havoc like relationship breakups, another (a very good reader unfortunately) made his clients strip down to nudity to be read, but especially young naive females. When it came to light through a number of complaints - he was banned. There are some that are on the nail readers, but they throw in: "you are cursed" plus a $5000 price tag to remove any curse and that sadly still happens to this day. I even came across one woman that signed her house over to one reader and every last cent she had because she had that much faith in the reader. I know some were doing everything to get it all back, but I'm not sure how that panned out. I felt so sorry for her because that should never have happened to her - let alone anyone! I also know there are some that specialise in death charts like those that do birth charts, but I have never come across anyone personally that does them. I was just told about them and that those types of readers exist. Thing is - who really wants to know something like that? It is strange when people talk about predictive readings in a negative tone because I've never seen my readings as predictive, but just what the cards show in a certain time line if there is a time line. I wasn't taught whether self taught or by others that they were predictive so I don't view them that way and don't plan to either. Anyways, most readers don't cross lines like talking about death, so Bobbi and his/her friend should be fine. @Bobbi Word of mouth can go a long way when finding a reputable reader and finding out as much as humanly possible if there are questions you want answered, like: What kind of reader, price and others experiences if that is accessible. Be careful of TV celebrities as some are more fluff than substance. DND 🌞
ironwing Posted April 27, 2021 Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, DownUnderNZer said: @ironwing I believe querents/sitters should come away from a reading feeling enlightened, empowered, optimistic and hopefully informed with possibilities - that doesn't mean things have to be sugar coated or catered to what they want to hear. As a reader you have to be tactful, diplomatic, and responsible because some do take on board what is conveyed quite literally. I loved the way you put it, @DownUnderNZer—"informed with possibilities." This is probably how I would describe my general reading style if I had a style at all. I like how readings can reveal potentials, tendencies, trends and biases. And I'm empowered by the realization that whatever the outcome being offered by the reading, it's always fluid. 1 hour ago, DownUnderNZer said: I have actually come across readers in my time that have done some truly questionable things that weren't right at all - this was in my younger days when I started my spiritual journey. Sometimes the damage was rather extensive. (...) There are some that are on the nail readers, but they throw in: "you are cursed" plus a $5000 price tag to remove any curse and that sadly still happens to this day. I even came across one woman that signed her house over to one reader and every last cent she had because she had that much faith in the reader. I know some were doing everything to get it all back, but I'm not sure how that panned out. I felt so sorry for her because that should never have happened to her - let alone anyone! I also know there are some that specialise in death charts like those that do birth charts, but I have never come across anyone personally that does them. I was just told about them and that those types of readers exist. Thing is - who really wants to know something like that? These kinds of stories are heartbreaking. Unfortunately, I'm acquainted with that practice of people offering to subvert a hex for a fee. A distant cousin of mine was in a dark place and became debilitatingly superstitious, and then she fell in with the wrong people who took advantage of that. Superstition is deeply rooted in my culture, which is probably why her immediate family paid her growing paranoia no mind until it was too late. I've never heard of death charts, but I had the privilege of receiving a natal chart as a gift from my in-laws when I married into the family. There were more no-nos and restrictions enclosed there than I would care to admit, but I took them all with a grain of salt. 1 hour ago, DownUnderNZer said: It is strange when people talk about predictive readings in a negative tone because I've never seen my readings as predictive, but just what the cards show in a certain time line if there is a time line. I wasn't taught whether self taught or by others that they were predictive so I don't view them that way and don't plan to either. I've never seen my own readings as particularly predictive either, but I do know that there are readers gifted with foresight, and who pursued divination further because of it. A reader told my mum that she would "give life to three children" (mum's words). I was the first kid. Then she miscarried twins, a girl and a boy. Seven years later, when she didn't think she would have any more children, she got pregnant with my sister, and then a year later, my brother. My parents tried again, but there were complications, and they didn't want to risk my mum's health further. I know there are those who do predictive readings with care and compassion, but I'll always be wary of those who predict nothing but misfortune and tragedy, no matter who the querent is or their question. So you're absolutely right about doing one's research when finding a good reader! Edited April 27, 2021 by ironwing
katrinka Posted April 27, 2021 Posted April 27, 2021 17 hours ago, ironwing said: When I was a teen going to university, a lot of tarot readers in the area were all about the doom and gloom. It seemed to me that they tried one-upping each other by giving clients the darkest readings they could, regardless of the question. I understand the allure of predictive reading, but that kind of behavior was just distasteful to me, and put me off learning the cards for a long, long time. Wait, whoa. "Predictive" just means predicting things. Life isn't all gloom and doom. If it was, not many would stick around. The idea is that you say what you see in the cards, good, bad or indifferent. In the vast majority of prerdictive readings, death doesn't even come up. Cards are read in the context of the question, too, so unless someone asks if they will die within the time period covered by the reading, their death is unlikely to show up. What you might get is a warning telling them to do something like guard their health or avoid danger, and yes, that information should be given to them. They might ask about someone elses' death - whether someone will come home from the hospital, whether a missing child is still living - and it's important to tell them exactly what you see in the cards. They're already prerparing for the worst. Being honest with them is crucial - don't give them false hope if there is no hope. Death is part of life. We can't hide from it.
ironwing Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 I'm curious now if OP's friend asked a specific question that warranted that reading at the time.
DownUnderNZer Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 3 hours ago, ironwing said: I'm curious now if OP's friend asked a specific question that warranted that reading at the time. @ironwing Not sure, but be interesting to know. Maybe some people do ask although that would be highly doubtful - I would think the most common questions asked would have to be about love, career, travel, money, family, health and when a person is experiencing life crisis situations and/or dilemmas - not: When am I going to depart from this world - tell me, tell me, tell me! DND 🌞
DownUnderNZer Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 Just now, DownUnderNZer said: @ironwing Not sure, but be interesting to know. Maybe some people do ask although that would be highly doubtful - I would think the most common questions asked would have to be about love, career, travel, money, family, health and when a person is experiencing life crisis situations and/or dilemmas - not: When am I going to depart from this world - tell me, tell me, tell me! DND 🌞 Life path and spiritual path too.
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