'Fall Out' Shuffling

[Saturn Celeste]

On 8/21/2021 at 4:07 AM, Decan said:

Or maybe to riffle-shuffle in this case? I don't know if it's easier when someone has arthrtisis or rheumatism.

As I read this thread, I was wondering how everyone was shuffling.  I riffle shuffle and rarely have jumpers so when I do, I use it in the reading.  I seldom use positions so I toss the card into the mix.  

[Raggydoll]

I don’t think that those who aim for jumpers will riffle shuffle. I’ve mostly seen them do a very loose overhand shuffle. But I could technically get jumpers with both techniques if I use a really slippery deck. I have a deck of playing cards that I riffle and I need to be careful with them because they are SO slippery. I don’t riffle tarot cards because I don’t like what it does to the decks, plus I want to shuffle at a slower pace so I can better sense when it’s time to stop. I typically shuffle for a fairly long time so it gets well shuffled despite using the overhand shuffling method. 

[Decan]

1 minute ago, Saturn Celeste said:

As I read this thread, I was wondering how everyone was shuffling.  I riffle shuffle and rarely have jumpers so when I do, I use it in the reading.  I seldom use positions so I toss the card into the mix.

Actually I overhand shuffle most of the time (and there are some falling out at times too 😁 ); I can riffle shuffle since I learnt to do that, but I don't do it often.

[katrinka]

I have decks I've been riffling for years and they look almost new. It can depend on the stock - some decks will get slightly splayed edges after a few years of riffling.
But yes, I seldom get a jumper, and when I do, it's those slippy decks.

[Rayenae]

I mostly use jumpers in my readings, but as I get more practiced with shuffling it definitely doesn’t happen as often. Now I’m thinking about coming up with some kind of ritual for how many times to shuffle or cut before I draw because it just feels less special than when they jump out at you I guess.

Edited August 25, 2021 by Rayenae

[Saturn Celeste]

1 hour ago, katrinka said:

I have decks I've been riffling for years and they look almost new. It can depend on the stock - some decks will get slightly splayed edges after a few years of riffling.
But yes, I seldom get a jumper, and when I do, it's those slippy decks.

Yup, mine are in good shape also.  The only thing that happens with my decks is they will start to curve but I just shuffle in the opposite direction a few times and they straighten right up.

[katrinka]

I generally bridge mine and they don't even curve. You can see how it bends them back the other way and keeps them straight:
 

 

[magicskills36]

Jumpers and Pop outs are my preferred way of accepting the message from spirit...

 

I feel they know my style of reading cards. I sometimes will test it out by fanning out the cards and will pull the same ones that popped out and for me that is a sign that the cards are indeed accurate.

[dust]

This doesn't happen to me a lot. When it does, I'm in the "peek but don't dwell" school of thought. I'll draw that card and look at it as something that might bring more clarity to the reading, but don't make a huge deal out of it and it's not necessarily the primary focus.

[zedekiel]

On 7/23/2021 at 10:12 PM, Pretzel said:

 

It feels different when they jump or are meant to come out. There are times I've dropped a large portion of the deck, but I can easily tell that was my clumsiness.

This is it for me. I rarely have jumpers but when I do it's very easy to tell in that moment if they were meant to come out or not. If one card springs out, almost like something that wasn't me flicked it, I know it wants to be seen. 

 

Because my method of dealing the cards is *very* intuitive (I shuffle and then run my hand along the deck with my eyes closed and "feel" for which card is meant to sit in each position) if a card pops out during the shuffling process, I will pay attention to what thought I just had as it flew out. If it was a repeating of one of the placements, I'll use that jumper as the card for that position. Or sometimes just as a "shadow card" for the whole spread. Either way, it's just easy to tell for some reason when it's meant to be or not, and for me at least definitely only one card in a spread would do this. Never had a situation where multiple jumpers felt right.

 

This conversation reminded me, there was a women I knew when I was younger who read Tarot by literally playing 52-pickup with her deck. She'd throw the cards in the air and whatever cards landed faceup she'd create the reading out of. It's not a style that I could replicate but her reading tents were always filled with laughter. It takes all kinds I suppose!

[RosieBlack]

I'm very new to this, but I don't use it as a method really, if one or two pop out I do note them and add them to my spread but usually I'm only pulling 3 or 4 cards for my spread so if 2 pop out I'll only pull another 2. If loads fall out I don't pay attention to them. I've heard that if any fall out then they're cards you need to see. They seem to resonate with the rest of the reading or serve as warnings so I do take heed of them. But then so far most of my readings have been inaccurate so what do I know? 😄

[Marina]

If I am going to do a spread with 3 cards or more and one cards jumps out while I am shuffling, I look at it, take a mental note of what it was, place it back in the deck and continue to shuffle. I take into consideration the "jumper" in the context of the entire reading plus the question that I asked. Many times it will even show up in the spread itself, reinforcing its message.  But I don't necessarily consider it to be THE right card.  The only exception is if I was planning to pull just one card for advice or something like that. In that case, the jumper is my answer. 

 

If many keep falling out then I know I'm just having a bad shuffle day, lol!

 

 

[TarotNewbie101]

I've definitely see this on YouTube a lot, and if I see a reader do it too often (2 times max) or is obviously relying on it, I move on. I feel a truly experienced and gifted reader knows how to shuffle their cards well.

[Eric13]

I have used this and I think its okay. But I don't routinely use it. I started using this after noticing that at times when I shuffle, the exact same card would fall out more than once, or I would see it when splitting the deck for more shuffling. And at times I would continue shuffling until a few cards fell out. I think there is a randomness to it all. I like to avoid any kind of routine in life and this is just another way of doing that. 

[katrinka]

Gahhh, fall out shuffling.
Ask yourself who does that. Spend some time on youtube. Have you ever seen people like Paul Hughes-Barlow, Balthazar, or any of the more knowledgeable readers doing it?
I haven't. It seems to be a new thing, done by new readers who are still in some kind of weird phase where they think anything the pasteboards do is a pronouncement from On High.
One might as well wear a t shirt that says "beginner."
We were all beginners once, there's nothing wrong with it...at least until a beginner starts a youtube channel and pretends to teach.

[LadyLuna]

I have always believed it is the feeling of the reader to determine whether the card that falls out is meant to be a part of the pull or if it was simply just a clumsy move. When I do readings for myself or for my clients I am very involved in the shuffling. It's almost like I get into a meditative state and so when a card drops out and I feel like it is a card that needs to be in the spread, that it fell out for a reason, then I include it. If I am shuffling and I stumble or drop many cards and I "feel" that it was accidental and wasn't part of the reading, then I put it back.  I really believe it is purely up to the reader. If they feel the card had jumped out and needs to be in the spread, well then there it is! If they feel they were being a bit clumsy, well then they will know it. 🧡, 🌙

 

~“As above, so below, as within, so without, as the universe, so the soul…”

[ilweran]

On 9/10/2021 at 8:11 AM, zedekiel said:

This conversation reminded me, there was a women I knew when I was younger who read Tarot by literally playing 52-pickup with her deck. She'd throw the cards in the air and whatever cards landed faceup she'd create the reading out of.

I've read of it being done that way in at least two (fiction) books. Never fancied trying it myself. 

[InternationalIcon]

Jumpers are a fairly rare occurrence for me, so I take them into account when forming the spread.  They seem quite special to me, because they're drawing attention to themselves.  The questioner usually finds them interesting in particular, perhaps because they seem unprompted, and therefore perhaps 'mystical'.

[katrinka]

4 hours ago, LadyLuna said:

I have always believed it is the feeling of the reader to determine whether the card that falls out is meant to be a part of the pull or if it was simply just a clumsy move. When I do readings for myself or for my clients I am very involved in the shuffling. It's almost like I get into a meditative state and so when a card drops out and I feel like it is a card that needs to be in the spread, that it fell out for a reason, then I include it. If I am shuffling and I stumble or drop many cards and I "feel" that it was accidental and wasn't part of the reading, then I put it back.  I really believe it is purely up to the reader. If they feel the card had jumped out and needs to be in the spread, well then there it is! If they feel they were being a bit clumsy, well then they will know it. 🧡, 🌙

 

25 minutes ago, InternationalIcon said:

Jumpers are a fairly rare occurrence for me, so I take them into account when forming the spread.  They seem quite special to me, because they're drawing attention to themselves.  The questioner usually finds them interesting in particular, perhaps because they seem unprompted, and therefore perhaps 'mystical'.

It sounds like you guys are talking about jumpers, a card or two that might accidentally jump out of a normal shuffle. That's normal, and a lot of people attach some significance to those. Others just stick it back in the deck and keep shuffling. Either way is fine.

Fallout shuffling, OTOH, is doing a sloppy shuffle on purpose, so a lot of cards are dropped, and reading those. It's messy, unnecessary, and IMHO, unprofessional.

[LadyLuna]

3 hours ago, katrinka said:

 

It sounds like you guys are talking about jumpers, a card or two that might accidentally jump out of a normal shuffle. That's normal, and a lot of people attach some significance to those. Others just stick it back in the deck and keep shuffling. Either way is fine.

Fallout shuffling, OTOH, is doing a sloppy shuffle on purpose, so a lot of cards are dropped, and reading those. It's messy, unnecessary, and IMHO, unprofessional.

 

Yes, jumpers is one of the topics in @stephanelli post. Thank you for trying to clarify, but I am well aware of what she is referring to. 🥰 I enjoy the uniqueness  and different methods readers choose to use, to each their own, if it works for them, so mote it be ☺️

Edited December 29, 2021 by LadyLuna
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[stephanelli]

Yes, although the title of this thread is fall out shuffling and was more aimed at that, I did include both the intentional sloppy shuffling method and the rare occasion of jumpers because they are an almost similar way of getting cards for a reading and it can be difficult to separate them.

 

Thank you for everyone who has shared their thoughts here 😊

[stephanelli]

2 hours ago, LadyLuna said:

 

Yes, jumpers is one of the topics in @stephanelli post. Thank you for trying to clarify, but I am well aware of what she is referring to. 🥰 I enjoy the uniqueness  and different methods readers choose to use, to each their own, if it works for them, so mote it be ☺️

I think Katrinka was just trying to clarify to make it easier for future readers of this thread to not get confused! 😊

 

I find it interesting the way different readers read.  I'm glad that jumpers work for you, and I like the way you pull your intuition into it to know if you need the card or not!

[gregory]

6 hours ago, stephanelli said:

I think Katrinka was just trying to clarify to make it easier for future readers of this thread to not get confused! 😊

 

 

That was how I read it. There IS a difference between jumpers and cards that fall out from sloppy shuffling, and while I pay attention to neither one, I do take the trouble to start over if I do a sloppy shuffle; not for a jumper; I just put it to one side or back in the deck, as the fit takes me.

[katrinka]

14 minutes ago, gregory said:

 

That was how I read it. There IS a difference between jumpers and cards that fall out from sloppy shuffling, and while I pay attention to neither one, I do take the trouble to start over if I do a sloppy shuffle; not for a jumper; I just put it to one side or back in the deck, as the fit takes me.

 

Yes and yes. Jumpers are accidental and completely unexpected. That's why some people place importance on them.
 

[ilweran]

On 12/29/2021 at 1:05 AM, Wildcard said:

🤣

That is good!

And here I thought it was an original idea I came up with for re-vitalising the handling of the cards.

It is actually quiet fun if the room you do it in is spacious and tidy. Without candles lit, preferably.

😂

Never thought of using it as a method for an actual reading - that could go a bit too much "in your face" (literally) for me.

...why do I have to think of Jodo now?

I'm desperately trying to remember what the books were now. Pretty sure one was by Margaret Mahy. The other I think I read in the last year or two (though my sense of time isn't great and had got worse in the pandemic so it could be ten years ago...) and it was the main characters rather irresponsible mother.

 

That's going to bug me now 😅