Have you ever had a time in your life where the cards would not give you insight in a situation?

[SunshineMoon]

The question makes it seem a little bit different than what it is. I have had readings from others and I have done some on myself about a situation that I am currently in. It is a situation that I feel I desperately need and want answers about. What it boils down to is that I have a stalker. I have a counselor, psychiatrist, lawyer, and the cops all involved. So, I am handling it as thoroughly as possible. But, whenever I have came to tarot to understand anything over the last 3 months, the cards always seem to tell me that I just have to sit back and let the story unfold, I am to do nothing but let the universe do what the universe does, I will have answers when the time is right for me to have them, etc. I don't often try to read about it because I know what the cards will say, but then some time passes and I think, oh, now they will tell me something more, and again, they don't. Have any of you had a time in your life like this with tarot? It is laughable at this point, honestly. 

[DanielJUK]

I've moved this thread into the main tarot discussion area as is it doesn't really fit in the tarot business area 🙂

[SunshineMoon]

@DanielJUK, thank you! I did not have many options to choose from on my drop downs, so I wasn't sure which to choose. I knew I had a general post the other day, but had a hard time finding my way to there. 

Edited January 8, 2023 by SunshineMoon

[Grandma]

Hi @SunshineMoon. Your question is interesting. I wonder if the situation is actually that the cards will not give you insight into the situation, but that you don't like the answer they are giving.

1 hour ago, SunshineMoon said:

But, whenever I have came to tarot to understand anything over the last 3 months, the cards always seem to tell me that I just have to sit back and let the story unfold, I am to do nothing but let the universe do what the universe does, I will have answers when the time is right for me to have them,

Is it possible that this IS the answer? Could the cards simply be telling you to sit back and let the story unfold and so on? If you were not getting anything at all I would suggest another deck, or another question, or maybe a reading on why the cards will not answer you. But they ARE answering you!

 

If you have saved any of these readings, perhaps you could post one in the Personal Tarot Readings section? Make sure to include the exact question, the deck used, a picture of the spread, position names if any, and your detailed interpretation of each card. Some of this is in the rules and some is stuff that people are sure to ask if you don't provide it. And then you will have to give detailed feedback to anyone who reads for you. That part is definitely in the rules.

 

If you haven't saved the readings, don't forget next time that we love to read for each other so jump right in! And if you're not sure how, read some of the threads in the Personal Tarot Reading section to get an idea.

 

I'm sorry that you are suffering through a serious and frightening stalker situation. To ask Tarot for some stress relief and be told to calm down may be frustrating, but in life sometimes the best way to deal with uncertainty is to let it go. Difficult? Sure. Worth it? Absolutely. I tell you this as both a Grandma who cares about stuff like this, and as a Tarot reader who is confident that if you are getting the same answer over and over, then listen up! That last part was the Grandma in me again.

[gregory]

Sorry - but I'm with Grandma here. If the cards say wait it out - that is the message. I don't know exactly what question you asked, but you could try another - something like "How best can I handle waiting for a resolution ?"

Stalker situations are difficult and can take a lot of unravelling - and in general there is very little that the victim can do, which is probably why the cards are in effect saying "You've done your bit, now hang in there". And there are so very many factors the authorities have to deal with. 

Edited January 8, 2023 by gregory

[Sar]

The cards told you to wait it out. 

I know it is easier said than done, but sometimes one need to let circumstances do themselves.

[SunshineMoon]

11 hours ago, Grandma said:

I'm sorry that you are suffering through a serious and frightening stalker situation. To ask Tarot for some stress relief and be told to calm down may be frustrating, but in life sometimes the best way to deal with uncertainty is to let it go. Difficult? Sure. Worth it? Absolutely. I tell you this as both a Grandma who cares about stuff like this, and as a Tarot reader who is confident that if you are getting the same answer over and over, then listen up! That last part was the Grandma in me again.

I loved your response, @Grandma. The tarot hasn't told me to calm down at all. Actually, the opposite, be vigilant, watch for changes, things such as this. It always points to so much secrecy. There are few things that I have been enlightened on through readings, it just is not anywhere near as detailed as other readings. One of the things that sticks out the most is that something has to happen for the next sequence of events to continue. This is a co-worker of mine and I am in the process of switching jobs. I think that this is what the cards are talking about when it says something has to happen, my job switch. Another interesting thing, the cards point to this being a karmic lesson, unavoidable, fate, it is what is meant to be happening - these have been tied in with justice and judgement, so I wonder if the karmic lesson is possible on the other end. But, all in all, it is just that the spreads say there are many many secrets and all I can do is wait, wait for life to show me on life's own time. The human nature in me is just impatient and wants to know the secrets now! Lol. I said yesterday when I was doing a reading that I was done and I would not do any more on the subject because the message I got was the Ace of Pentacles screaming "God wants you to trust that you will have all of the information that you need, when the time is right, but the time is not now, child. More information will come, as it has only just begun." Which, in essence, is where you were saying the cards were telling me to calm down, in a way they definitely did yesterday! I will have to look and see if I have some of them saved and I can post them if I do! Thank you for your reply!

[SunshineMoon]

4 hours ago, Sar said:

The cards told you to wait it out. 

I know it is easier said than done, but sometimes one need to let circumstances do themselves.

@Sar It is way easier said than done, but I am giving up on readings about it. The cards are right, I just have to let it play out. Thanks!

[SunshineMoon]

4 hours ago, gregory said:

Sorry - but I'm with Grandma here. If the cards say wait it out - that is the message. I don't know exactly what question you asked, but you could try another - something like "How best can I handle waiting for a resolution ?"

Stalker situations are difficult and can take a lot of unravelling - and in general there is very little that the victim can do, which is probably why the cards are in effect saying "You've done your bit, now hang in there". And there are so very many factors the authorities have to deal with. 

Gregory, you both are right. I guess thinking on things, the questions that are unclear are the future, outcomes, and what additional information is needed. There are still so many secrets and the cards have said certain evidence or hidden things have not yet come to light, etc. So, tarot has told me things, but it has also just said to hang in there. You can see in my response to Grandma - the cards have pointed to a karmic lesson, fate, destiny, etc. with the justice card and judgement. Stalkers are so difficult and they do take a lot of unravelling. The cards told me to seek legal counsel in an advice position and I already had done that, of course. It is just the waiting game for the next sequence of events to come. I do like your question though, I might try this later today because maybe it will help me find a way to be more calm during the storm. Thank you so much!

[Rosebud]

I have faced similar "unclear" answers from tarot but then somehow I realized maybe I need to get some proper rest and healthy mind to re-read my cards. That's when I finally get some clear answers from my situation. Doesn't mean that you are not well rested, but sometime our intuition or our body are the one who will tell when we are ready to discover the answer and it's about getting patient, again 😄 or even not thinking about the issue for a while. Taking some travel, doing some hobby, or just rest. Maybe you will get some aha moments!

[Misterei]

7 hours ago, SunshineMoon said:

... The tarot hasn't told me to calm down at all. Actually, the opposite, be vigilant, watch for changes, things such as this. It always points to so much secrecy. ... One of the things that sticks out the most is that something has to happen for the next sequence of events to continue. ... the cards point to this being a karmic lesson, unavoidable, fate, it is what is meant to be happening ...

Many years ago I read for a client who was in a dv/stalker situation. They really wanted/needed to hear that the perp would stay in jail ... the cards didn't show this ... so I focused on giving the person psychic protection techniques. The person somehow interpreted that I had promised the perp would stay in jail and did none of the psychic protection. When the perp left jail ... they started bad-mouthing me. *sigh*.

 

I share this because sometimes cards tell us things we can't process. It's happened to me, too. When I didn't land a contract I really really wanted and needed ... and the cards told me ... but I couldn't process it.

 

OTOH ... sounds like you have a very clear handle on what's happening. Certain things are fixed karmas and the only thing we can control is how we deal with them.

 

I have a litmus test.

If I change my question, wait a day or so, change decks ... and get a clear answer ... voila. Done.

If the issue remains obscure or obfuscated .... I start to ask myself what am I unable to process here?

We ALL have blind spots and buffer zones in our psyches.

 

Hope this makes sense.

Edited January 8, 2023 by Misterei

[SunshineMoon]

9 hours ago, Rosebud said:

I have faced similar "unclear" answers from tarot but then somehow I realized maybe I need to get some proper rest and healthy mind to re-read my cards. That's when I finally get some clear answers from my situation. Doesn't mean that you are not well rested, but sometime our intuition or our body are the one who will tell when we are ready to discover the answer and it's about getting patient, again 😄 or even not thinking about the issue for a while. Taking some travel, doing some hobby, or just rest. Maybe you will get some aha moments!

 

This is excellent advice @Rosebud ! I think this may be the thing. I think that when I finally switch jobs and I am away from the person, that is when my brain will be clear enough to have a more accurate reading. I am too close to the situation now to have the rest and clarity that I need. You made a wonderful point. Thank you!

[SunshineMoon]

3 hours ago, Misterei said:

Many years ago I read for a client who was in a dv/stalker situation. They really wanted/needed to hear that the perp would stay in jail ... the cards didn't show this ... so I focused on giving the person psychic protection techniques. The person somehow interpreted that I had promised the perp would stay in jail and did none of the psychic protection. When the perp left jail ... they started bad-mouthing me. *sigh*.

 

I share this because sometimes cards tell us things we can't process. It's happened to me, too. When I didn't land a contract I really really wanted and needed ... and the cards told me ... but I couldn't process it.

 

OTOH ... sounds like you have a very clear handle on what's happening. Certain things are fixed karmas and the only thing we can control is how we deal with them.

 

I have a litmus test.

If I change my question, wait a day or so, change decks ... and get a clear answer ... voila. Done.

If the issue remains obscure or obfuscated .... I start to ask myself what am I unable to process here?

We ALL have blind spots and buffer zones in our psyches.

 

Hope this makes sense.

 

@Misterei This makes me think of a reading that I had. My present was The Tower reversed. The way that the reading went, for me, it meant that something was keeping the tower safe from revelation and destruction and it said to unblock the energy and the truth would come out. However, I did not have the slightest idea how to unblock the energy. I continue to go back and read my notes on that reading trying to process what I am supposed to do. That reminds me of a card that I pulled, 2 of Swords reversed, which I interpreted as a decision needs to be made for the sequence of events to continue. I think this decision is me leaving my job and I also think that that is the action that will unblock that energy. When I asked recently for 3 cards to show me how the future would unfold regarding the situation, I got 2 of swords, which I read as a temporary peace that cannot last. Following that, it was The Lovers reversed and The Hierophant reversed. When I see Lovers reversed, I see this girl, a Gemini, a lost Gemini at that, and obsession. When I see Hierophant reversed, I see extremism. When I see both together, I see the balance being off creating a disharmony and a new approach coming in to play. The cards have told me that life as I know it has ended. The cards say that there are many secrets, but when I asked what I can't do about the situation they said change things because it is destiny or fate  (King of Swords reversed) and when I ask the lesson it says to get the message out to others (Page of Wands). I don't particularly feel that the karmic lesson is mine, I feel like it is more of a lesson for the other person, my stalker, and I am just along for the ride. I don't know if any of that makes sense, but it is my general feel from things. That is a lot, but it all got me thinking about the unblock the energy part of my reading when you talked about the protections. 

[Rosebud]

32 minutes ago, SunshineMoon said:

 

This is excellent advice @Rosebud ! I think this may be the thing. I think that when I finally switch jobs and I am away from the person, that is when my brain will be clear enough to have a more accurate reading. I am too close to the situation now to have the rest and clarity that I need. You made a wonderful point. Thank you!

You're welcome @SunshineMoon, glad to help 😄 hope your situation getting better and hope you get some relief soon 😊

[SunshineMoon]

1 minute ago, Rosebud said:

You're welcome @SunshineMoon, glad to help 😄 hope your situation getting better and hope you get some relief soon 😊

Thank you, @Rosebud I hope so too. I am hoping for a job offer this week. I cannot imagine the relief I will feel to turn my notice in. 

[euripides]

Yeah, quite a lot, and I think it's because largely I don't know the right questions to ask, or what I'm even expecting from them.  I spend a lot of time feeling a bit lost and directionless. The other thing is that I think modern life has so many unknowns and changes at such a pace, that it's much harder for readings to be accurate and concrete. At least when you're as psychic as a sack of potatoes like me. I feel tarot has its roots in older, slower, more stable modes of life, and try to keep this in mind. Obviously this is just how I think about it and others will very likely entirely disagree, this is just my personal practice, you know? 

 

Sometimes in the past I've found that I'd get some initial good but difficult or unsatisfactory reading and then garbage, like the deck was saying 'I told you already, listen the first time!' - a tarot journal is helpful for going back to see what the initial readings indicated.

 

In these situations, do whatever clearing ritual you feel useful, if you do such things, or take a bit of a break to clear your head, and think about the elements that YOU personally control. I find I get better clarity when really focused on my own sphere and not things I have no ability to dictate.

[SunshineMoon]

29 minutes ago, euripides said:

Yeah, quite a lot, and I think it's because largely I don't know the right questions to ask, or what I'm even expecting from them.  I spend a lot of time feeling a bit lost and directionless. The other thing is that I think modern life has so many unknowns and changes at such a pace, that it's much harder for readings to be accurate and concrete. At least when you're as psychic as a sack of potatoes like me. I feel tarot has its roots in older, slower, more stable modes of life, and try to keep this in mind. Obviously this is just how I think about it and others will very likely entirely disagree, this is just my personal practice, you know? 

 

Sometimes in the past I've found that I'd get some initial good but difficult or unsatisfactory reading and then garbage, like the deck was saying 'I told you already, listen the first time!' - a tarot journal is helpful for going back to see what the initial readings indicated.

 

In these situations, do whatever clearing ritual you feel useful, if you do such things, or take a bit of a break to clear your head, and think about the elements that YOU personally control. I find I get better clarity when really focused on my own sphere and not things I have no ability to dictate.

@euripides This is all excellent advice and input. I know what you mean about readings in the past vs readings in our present day. That makes a lot of sense in ways. Plus, in things like my situation, as you touched on in a way, there are many unknowns and changes. Beyond that, I am trying to read about myself in a situation with a human who is irrational and cannot be predicted. Your post has allowed me to see that in a way, so thank you! If I cannot make logic out of the nonsense happening because you cannot make logic out of nonsense, how could I expect my deck to? So, my readings need to be more based on myself. You have truly helped more than you could know. Thank you so much for sharing this with me and posting!

[DanielJUK]

Just to say we cannot discuss actual readings in this area, they have to be posted in Personal Tarot Readings for help and discussion.

 

We can discuss the topic in hand and the reading is an example of how it is doesn't give (or maybe does) give insight.

[SunshineMoon]

4 hours ago, DanielJUK said:

Just to say we cannot discuss actual readings in this area, they have to be posted in Personal Tarot Readings for help and discussion.

 

We can discuss the topic in hand and the reading is an example of how it is doesn't give (or maybe does) give insight.

@DanielJUK Thanks for letting me know!

[catlover5201314]

im currently going through this .. and as frustrating as it is i keep reminding myself i dont need to know everything and things will occur as they have to since i have no control over them. i usually ask for 1. advice and 2. something to work on 3. something to keep in mind ,and take a break from reading since personally i view these periods as time to focus more on yourself and trust the universe than the situation 

[SunshineMoon]

14 minutes ago, catlover5201314 said:

im currently going through this .. and as frustrating as it is i keep reminding myself i dont need to know everything and things will occur as they have to since i have no control over them. i usually ask for 1. advice and 2. something to work on 3. something to keep in mind ,and take a break from reading since personally i view these periods as time to focus more on yourself and trust the universe than the situation 

@catlover5201314 This is excellent advice and an amazing way of doing it. I believe you are right, these would be times to focus more on yourself and trust the universe. Thank you!!

[catlover5201314]

8 hours ago, SunshineMoon said:

@catlover5201314 This is excellent advice and an amazing way of doing it. I believe you are right, these would be times to focus more on yourself and trust the universe. Thank you!!

ofc ! i hope it helps .. i find these situations where we are vulnerable tend to make it more likely for us readers to develop a dependency on cards since we desperately want to find an answer, but it can spiral into something quite unhealthy .. hence why i think decks dont give us much info (obv this doesnt apply to all situations).. i hope ur situation can get resolved soon and u can be at peace ! sending u love and support ! my pms are open if u ever need anything