Empress as health issues

[Guest]

The Empress came up for someone in a health reading. I had read somewhere that the Empress symbolized cardiovascular issues which seems to be on point for him as he is having issues with varicose veins which is a bit unusual for men in general; usually more common in women. 

However, I got to thinking the Empress is a nurturing type, bountiful and reproductive. it made me wonder if it could also be symbolic of the reproductive system or reproductive hormones, estrogen and progesterone in women and associated with menopause, hot flashes, menstrual disorders, etc., and in men low testosterone and its associated issues, erectile dysfunction, low energy, depression, etc. 

Any other thoughts come to mind? 

[Mister]

28 minutes ago, summerbutterfly said:

Any other thoughts come to mind?

Yes, they do.

Execute great care in applying meanings devised by other people in regards to health.

 

As I do not know you, please bear with the following disclaimer:

It demands a certain degree of proficiency to read on health, especially for others.

It demands an even greater degree of proficiency to safely articulate what you have read,

for you are prohibited from giving medical advice by law (in most countries)!

 

Now, The Empress:

I have her as the harbinger of creation, if she is impeded and the querist is a man, I'd suggest/press to get his kidneys checked.

 

If I had not known the person before, i.e. first session, I would make it abundantly clear that I am but an entertainer (!) for I have to be just that (again, by law) to execute my craft.

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, Mister said:

Yes, they do.

Execute great care in applying meanings devised by other people in regards to health.

 

As I do not know you, please bear with the following disclaimer:

It demands a certain degree of proficiency to read on health, especially for others.

It demands an even greater degree of proficiency to safely articulate what you have read,

for you are prohibited from giving medical advice by law (in most countries)!

 

Now, The Empress:

I have her as the harbinger of creation, if she is impeded and the querist is a man, I'd suggest/press to get his kidneys checked.

 

If I had not known the person before, i.e. first session, I would make it abundantly clear that I am but an entertainer (!) for I have to be just that (again, by law) to execute my craft.

 

Thank you but I am a clinical pharmacist and know fully well what I can and can't do medically and legally. Quite presumptious of you to automatically assume. 

Ironically you followed with advice you are not qualified to give as well. 

This is why I left this site the first time around. Sigh. 

[fire cat pickles]

There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin.

 

Varicose veins have nothing to do with cardiovascular health. Also, I would love to see the source of the connection between Empress and cardiovascular issues--a new one on me! Reproductive health, yes. Heart issues? Where is that coming from? (A quick google search turns up absolutely nothing. Be careful of your sources! People love making up all sorts of stuff, especially on reddit, facebook, insta, etc.)

 

Moving on. We are not allowed to discuss other people's readings on here. And to top it off, we are discussing a health reading. Not sure we're allowed to discuss that either.

 

I defer to Mister's warning so any of this advice is preempted by the same disclaimer.

 

Anyway my two cents on these issues.

 

Playing cards, the 3 of hearts can indicate heart health. I wonder if your source is extrapolating there?  

 

If we were to consider the cardiovascular, I would consider either the Strength card represented by the astrological sign Leo who rules the zone "heart," or Chariot represented by the astrological sign Cancer who rules the zone "breast."

 

Edited January 26, 2023 by fire cat pickles

[Grandma]

1 minute ago, summerbutterfly said:

Quite presumptious of you to automatically assume. 

Yeah but he actually didn't. He specifically qualified the information that he shared by stating "As I do not know you, please bear with the following disclaimer".

 

I'm happy to hear that as a clinical pharmacist you are familiar with what you can do medically and legally.

 

Now maybe as a Tarot reader you could familiarize yourself with Tarot ethics. We don't give medical and legal advise. 

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, fire cat pickles said:

There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin.

 

Varicose veins have nothing to do with cardiovascular health. Also, I would love to see the source of the connection between Empress and cardiovascular issues--a new one on me! Reproductive health, yes. Heart issues? Where is that coming from? (A quick google search turns up absolutely nothing. Be careful of your sources! People love making up all sorts of stuff, especially on reddit, facebook, insta, etc.)

 

Moving on. We are not allowed to discuss other people's readings on here. And to top it off, we are discussing a health reading. Not sure we're allowed to discuss that either.

 

I defer to Mister's warning so any of this advice  is predicated by the same disclaimer.

 

Anyway my two cents on these issues.

 

Playing cards, the 3 of hearts can indicate heart health. I wonder if your source is extrapolating there?  

 

If we were to consider the cardiovascular, I would consider the Strength represented by the astrological sign Leo who rules the zone "heart," or Chariot represented by the astrological sign Cancer who rules the zone "breast."

Right ... because veins aren't part of the vasculature system and have nothing to do with cardioVASCULAR.  Poor circulation and damaged valves which are part of the circulatory system are the cause of varicose veins and they are part of the circulatory system. Edema is also caused by CHF and can lead to lower limb circulatory issues. 

So I really don't know what the heck you're talking about. 

I'm also not discussing a full reading just one card which is in the rules for this forum. 

I'm done with this site. 

 

 

 

[fire cat pickles]

Just now, summerbutterfly said:

Right ... because veins aren't part of the vasculature system and have nothing to do with cardioVASCULAR.  Poor circulation and damaged valves which are part of the circulatory system are the cause of varicose veins and they are part of the circulatory system. Edema is also caused by CHF and can lead to lower limb circulatory issues. 

 

https://cfvein.com/varicose-veins-sign-heart-disease/

[Guest]

Just now, fire cat pickles said:

 

https://cfvein.com/varicose-veins-sign-heart-disease/

Cardiovascular isn't just the heart, Firecat. And I didn't say heart issues. I said cardiovascular which is all encompassing. You're right tarot readers shouldn't give medical advice when they don't understand medicine. 

 

Good night. 

[fire cat pickles]

So let's say there are underlying health issues. That doesn't mean the Empress is a good card.

 

She is vibrant and healthy. She is the quintessential woman. The earth mother. Goddess supreme. She is not the harbinger of illness and death. 

 

Her planet is Venus. Venus rules the neck and reins (genitals). Not the heart.

 

Consider Strength or Chariot instead.

 

I hope this answers this question. (Before this thread gets locked.)

Edited January 26, 2023 by fire cat pickles

[Misterei]

@summerbutterfly

I actually DO give medical and legal advice if asked by a paying client.

Often my legal advice to seek an attorney. Often medical advice to see a doctor or get a second option.

 

I'm a certified Ayurvedic Wellness counselor ...  I give health advice within my scope and training ... separate from my Tarot practice ... but I sometimes combine the two when appropriate (a tiny subset of clients)

 

Medical Interpretations of Tarot cards:

• all sorts of ppl write all sorts of cr@p on the internet and in books ... take it ALL with a grain of salt
• my system of medical interpretations arose from clients telling me they're accurate
• If I haven't tested a meaning and gotten feedback about it ... I don't pretend to know

Empress in Medical questions (works for me and my clients. Your mileage may vary):

• Motherhood, childbirth, pregnancy, abortion, stillbirth, miscarriage
• Diseases caused by over-indulgence: overweight, diabetes, metabolic disorder, and similar. Sometimes overeating and lack of exercise. Being "too self-nurturing".

[Mister]

2 hours ago, Misterei said:

Often medical advice to see a doctor or get a second option.

 

The following is here just in case, for anyone aiming to serve a paying clientele, for we have an overlap in meaning here.

 

"Medical advise", legally (at least here in germany, I believe it is the same for the EU&UK, I am not so sure for the US), starts with a diagnosis.

To be allowed to make a diagnosis, one must be a sworn medical doctor (no PhD).

It (the medical advise) does include the diagnosis, prescription, recipe to visit some sort of specialist, cure/treatment, and so forth.

 

To realise that there might be a health issue in general or in a specific part of the body of someone, to point that out and to suggest that said someone should go get a checkup is not medical advise.

 

It is the advise to get medical advise.

You are allowed to do that.

 

If you say: "There might be a problem with your liver, you should go see your doctor for a checkup", you are in the clear.

No medical advise given.

 

If you say: "You have a problem with your liver and should take this'n'that infusion", you are in hot waters.

You overstepped, diagnosed and gave medical advise.

 

Moreover, even if you are a sworn medical doctor and therefore allowed to make a diagnosis - if you did it by using cards, you are in hot waters again for employing illicit means.

Edited January 26, 2023 by Mister

[Raggydoll]

28 minutes ago, Mister said:

 

To realise that there might be a health issue in general or in a specific part of the body of someone, to point that out and to suggest that said someone should go get a checkup is not medical advise.

 

It is the advise to get medical advise.

You are allowed to do that.

 

This. I think it’s important to understand the differences that you just pointed out. I know that Benebell Wen made a video (or was it a blog post?) about this topic too, because she does perform readings on medical topics, but as a lawyer she of course makes sure she stays on the right side of the law. I know she also mentioned the difference between medical advice and ‘wellness’ advice, which is another thing to consider.
 

Personally, I tell sitter what I see and what that could mean, but I don’t diagnose and I do not give out advice on health topics (well, if the cards suggest that rest is needed, then yeah.. 😄 but not any advice in regards to herbs or medical treatments!). 
 

And I do agree with @Misterei about the conditions that could be indicated by the Empress: Anything relating to fertility/female issues or over-indulgence. Diabetes but also PCOS stands out as two conditions especially linked to the Empress. If it’s a male client, then any hormonal imbalances and other obesity related issues could possibly be indicated. 

[DanielJUK]

The thread starter has sadly requested to delete their account. They won't be able to reply to further responses in this thread but we will leave it open for people's ideas

Do get medical advice from a professional with health matters but after getting that advice, what are the general health interpretations / issues of the Empress? Especially for Men

[Misterei]

7 hours ago, DanielJUK said:

The thread starter has sadly requested to delete their account. They won't be able to reply to further responses in this thread but we will leave it open for people's ideas

Do get medical advice from a professional with health matters but after getting that advice, what are the general health interpretations / issues of the Empress? Especially for Men

@DanielJUK The OP seemed to have a bit of an axe to grind.

As for myself ... having had a truly awful time on Reddit ... with trollish behavior and 'ganging-up' (brigading?) ... I think this forum is quite civil even though no online group is perfect.

No one has every trolled me or brigaded me here. Nor have I seen it done to others. TT&M mods do a great job compared to the reddit mods who enforced arbitrarily and failed to limit egregiously awful behavior whilst managing to shut down innocent and valuable exchanges. I lost sympathy even for them. And normally I'm quite sympathetic to the plight of mods.

 

@Mister I understand there's a strict legal definition for "advice". But there's also a colloquial definition ... and the two get conflated.

I NEVER attempt to make Western-style diagnosis or treatment recommendations ... as that's practicing Medicine without a license. Criminal offense.

I do practice within my scope within the Ayurvedic system ... but that's not Tarot related ... so not for this thread.

 

Vis a vis tarot?
I DO give medical advice in the colloquial sense ... clients come to me with a medical question ... I tell them what the cards say .... and often times the advice might be to see a different doctor, get a second opinion, or similar suggestions. In this case [advice] is in the colloquial sense. Clients literally pay me to advise them (colloquial].

 

I draw the distinction between strict legal definition and colloquial definition b/c many self-appointed "Tarot enforcers" mean you shouldn't give medical advice in the colloquial sense.

They literally go around saying any reader who answers a health question is an evil scammer and  con artist.

This is patently untrue and absurd.

But it's become a trope for segments of the tarot community ... especially the terminally online psychological science-based crowd who infect tarot reddit.

I converted a few to common sense ... but finally realized it was a losing battle and came here.

[Mister]

8 hours ago, Misterei said:

I understand there's a strict legal definition for "advice". But there's also a colloquial definition ... and the two get conflated.

Indeed, the two do get conflated.

The strict legal definition does not so much apply to the "advice", rather it applies to the "medical"!

For example, "health advice" is much less of a problem, it stretches from "Take a walk if you feel drowsy after sitting in a room with closed windows all day" via "it looks like a more balanced diet could do wonders for your physique" to "you might be better off getting a second opinion on your case".

The entirety of wellness-reads are "health advice".

 

That line between health-advice and "medical advice" has to be clearly drawn.

The latter one must not be done by reading cards, because otherwise:

8 hours ago, Misterei said:

that's practicing Medicine without a license. Criminal offense.

 

@DanielJUK

16 hours ago, DanielJUK said:

what are the general health interpretations / issues of the Empress? Especially for Men

I do not know!

For me (!), it is the following (for men): from inactivity, in the sense of beeing listless, lack of vitality (colour in cheeks) and motivation to impotence.

She does not usually appear in the case of grave illness, at least in my reads, but when she does, it is the kidneys which need notice.

As those can cause quiet the severe damage if suffering and left unchecked, I would be a fool in the worst sense to haphazardly adjust my own set of meanings.

 

I do believe the meanings @Misterei and @Raggydoll provided may be applicable to a larger 'userbase'.