Possible Greenwood reprint.....

[Mi-Shell]

The campaign to bring her out has been going on for years and really is peculiarly unpleasant.

 

THIS is EXACTLY the case!

It is just his latest attempt :(

[Ncharge]

Can anyone tell me where to get and Potter’s version of the book?

[ilweran]

Ncharge[/member] It's available on Mi-Shell's blog -https://voicewithinthecards.wordpress.com/greenwood-tarot-book/

[Ncharge]

Thank you!

[Natural Mystic Guide]

Creation of a GW type deck using Chesca Potter’s original images for personal use. 

 

I understand that it is permissible for us to download these images and create our own decks for personal use and not for resale/profit.

 

My question is this — even given optimal conditions, it would be very challenging for me to do this.  But, because I live in Indonesia where quality printing technology and card creation technology is just not happening, I really cannot create my own deck.

 

No. 1:  Would it be permissible for me to pay someone in the U.S. to do this labor for me?  I do not want to violate any of Chesca’s Potter’s intentions for the use of these images.

 

No. 2:  If No. 1 is permissible, is there anyone whom I could pay to do this for me?  I’ve wanted this deck for a long long time.  There just does not seem to be any reasonable way for me to procure it.

Much Thanks for your consideration.

 

[DanielJUK]

On @Mi-Shell's site, it says "All images shown here are under copyright by Chesca Potter"

 

I know some people have taken the cards out of the PDF's and then sent to print on demand services to print their own. Some of those services do ask about the copyright when printing and I am not sure if it meets that rule. She still owns the copyright. I think the original intention is that people print on their own printer. It never really says personal use or what to do with it, just she retains the copyright.

 

Most print of demand services say that you need to own the copyright to print things with them, in this case people with the downloads don't. We can say she gave her artwork for people to download and enjoy and she definitely didn't put it there for people to make profit from or sell. But it's not exactly clear. I am not sure either of those 2 things can happen if you don't own the copyright. On the other hand, making a deck for personal use seems fine and intended by the downloads. The problem will be if someone asks you to confirm you own the copyright or have permission.

[Natural Mystic Guide]

19 hours ago, DanielJUK said:

making a deck for personal use seems fine and intended by the downloads

Thanks for this clarification.  The Greenwood Tarot such a lovely deck.  (As is the Ironwing Tarot).  It seems a shame that these are no longer in print.  Maybe someone who has a home printer and can access the right kind of paper will be willing to help me.  Thank you, Daniel.

[ilweran]

The Greenwood Tarot Facebook page has posted that there will be a Kickstarter for the reprint - they're talking about a ltd ed of 100 copies to start. 

 

Mark Ryan is now saying he always had the right to republish - despite previously saying he couldn't - he just chose not to out of respect for Chesca Potter.

[gregory]

Someone needs to show KS the video of his interview.

[Bodhiseed]

Kickstarter link shows some other name (not Mark):

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thegreenwoodtarot/the-greenwood-tarot?ref=discovery&total_hits=7527&category_id=45

Facebook said it would launch May 1st.

[fire cat pickles]

This is the same Kickstarter link that you are taken to from Mark Ryan's Greenwood Facebook Page...

[Bodhiseed]

Wonder why it is under Martin Hughes name?

[katrinka]

2 hours ago, Bodhiseed said:

Kickstarter link shows some other name (not Mark):

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thegreenwoodtarot/the-greenwood-tarot?ref=discovery&total_hits=7527&category_id=45

Facebook said it would launch May 1st.

Click his name (Martin Hughes) and it says he joined in April of 2025 and "created" the Greenwood.
It's Mark's alias.

https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/thegreenwoodtarot/created

 

[Bodhiseed]

To feel he needs an alias for selling this deck is a red flag for me.

When I clicked it, it said his profile was private.

Edited April 27 by Bodhiseed

[fire cat pickles]

Just now, Bodhiseed said:

To feel he needs an alias for selling this deck is a red flag for me.

Tis a bit sketch.

[katrinka]

3 minutes ago, fire cat pickles said:

Tis a bit sketch.

Indeed.
I'd be surprised if anything related to Ryan wasn't.

[JoyousGirl]

What's his educational background? Chesca actually has the educational background. There's a clear sense of him having half the rights without any real right. That's why this situation is as it is. Why not create something new and completely different if you're a creative? 

 

[ilweran]

Well it got funded in 13 minutes apparently.

 

I'm confused because they've been saying on the Facebook page that the original Lovers card will be included, when what they seem to be including looks more like an alternative version of the Two of Cups. It is a beautiful image, undoubtedly by Chesca, but it's not the original Lovers. I did query this on Facebook but haven't had response yet. I wonder about the legality of including it as well - even if he could prove he can reprint the Greenwood, surely he can't make money from a piece of Chesca's artwork he just happens to own. Imagine if I owned a piece of the Greenwood art (my dream!) and started selling prints, I don't think he'd like that.

 

I must admit I did have a wobble - like what's the point of boycotting something that was £20,000 over its target by the time I looked at it - £30,000 over now. But see previous paragraph.

 

 

[Teemu]

It is now at 45k+. I want one too, so backed it 🙂

 

[katrinka]

I'm quite happy with my Printers Studio copy from Mi Shell's blog, thanks.
I'd feel squicky supporting this and I'd never be comfortable using the deck knowing the art is stolen.
I think the Printers Studio ones come out much nicer, too.
 

You can find the images here.

It's missing the 2 of Cups, IIRC**, and I don't have the scan for that one anymore, but I believe @fire cat pickles does. If not, I'll check my thumb drives.

** My mistake, it isn't missing any cards. Downoad and print with no worries!

Edited May 2 by katrinka

[fire cat pickles]

I don't have any scans unfortunately 😞 

[ilweran]

16 minutes ago, katrinka said:

You can find the images here.

It's missing the 2 of Cups, IIRC, and I don't have the scan for that one anymore, but I believe @fire cat pickles does. If not, I'll check my thumb drives.

 

It has all the cards, including the Two of Cups. Unfortunately the non-gendered/original Lovers card isn't the best quality but there are better versions of that available now.

[katrinka]

27 minutes ago, fire cat pickles said:

I don't have any scans unfortunately 😞

I just checked my thumb drives and I don't have it either.
 

12 minutes ago, ilweran said:

It has all the cards, including the Two of Cups. Unfortunately the non-gendered/original Lovers card isn't the best quality but there are better versions of that available now.

Yes, my bad! It was the non gendered Lovers card. It looks like this:

 

Memory is glitching. More coffee...

Apparently the one I used had a high enough resolution, Lower than the other scans but the card came out great. I downloaded it at Carto years ago, if memory serves. (Though I'm still waiting for the caffeine to kick in.)

But all in all, the deck is complete. So there's no reason to support Ryan when you can get a much nicer deck for less money!

[ilweran]

There are at least four different versions of that card now - seems Chesca couldn't stop changing it!

[fire cat pickles]

Is this it?