JohnLetter Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) For example: take the wind from the sails to someone (like that someone thought is a winner, but you took him this victory - so literally is no one a winner?) Any ideas? Edited June 2, 2019 by JohnLetter
Eamane Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 Hey! I'd say taking advantage of people's trust or going behind their backs. I associate it with cowardice or scamming.
joy Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 It depends also as who do you see yourself and/or the querent in the card. If you look at the people walking away, the card could also say 'Instead of getting involved in a battle, just walk away'.
Decan Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 Many scenarios could be imagined with the 5 of Swords I guess, so it depends really on the question or the context (if there isn't a particular question). In itself this card is difficult and shows a conflict mixed with unfair strategy in order to win... so it can be sneaky...
Cookie Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 (edited) It is also a card of humiliation. And to pick up on what @joy said about who's who within the card; there are many times when this card is telling the person having the reading that they are the bully, they are the aggressor, the manipulator, esp in power struggles that have many years of dirty pedigree. Often these things start off as the person being victimised & picked on, then the dynamic changes and they become the bully. However, it is the hardest thing to admit, as they still see themselves as the victim; and i can guarantee that most of us have been in this situation (if not the bully then the manipulator) at some point in our lives, it's just these home truths are often the bitterest pill for us to swallow. So this too is humiliation, because to admit this to ourselves is an effrontery to the grandiose & perhaps illusory high morals & standards that we hold so dear. But to do this is essential so we can forgive others & ourselves and move on. A very difficult card. Edited June 5, 2019 by Cookie spelling
joy Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 @Cookie very interesting, yes of course humiliation is part of it too. Thank you very much for your insight!
Grizabella Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 It can also mean choosing one's battles. Sometimes it's more effective and courageous to walk away than to stay and fight.
JohnLetter Posted June 7, 2019 Author Posted June 7, 2019 On 6/5/2019 at 3:28 PM, Eamane said: Hey! I'd say taking advantage of people's trust or going behind their backs. I associate it with cowardice or scamming. + On 6/5/2019 at 3:39 PM, Halcyon said: Taking advantage of someone. = Do you think is possible that if someone had in a plan to use you and then reject you, but you spill a tea and say that you were with that person just for make him happy and then left because you have someone for love can be then for him like 'take the wind from the sails' and then he felt used from you instead of me from him, because you are a "winner" then? On 6/5/2019 at 4:11 PM, joy said: It depends also as who do you see yourself and/or the querent in the card. If you look at the people walking away, the card could also say 'Instead of getting involved in a battle, just walk away'. like "why would I waste a time with this battle"? On 6/5/2019 at 4:22 PM, Decan said: Many scenarios could be imagined with the 5 of Swords I guess, so it depends really on the question or the context (if there isn't a particular question). In itself this card is difficult and shows a conflict mixed with unfair strategy in order to win... so it can be sneaky... Or also say something rude. On 6/5/2019 at 5:12 PM, Cookie said: It is also a card of humiliation. And to pick up on what @joy said about who's who within the card; there are many times when this card is telling the person having the reading that they are the bully, they are the aggressor, the manipulator, esp in power struggles that have many years of dirty pedigree. Often these things start off as the person being victimised & picked on, then the dynamic changes and they become the bully. However, it is the hardest thing to admit, as they still see themselves as the victim; and i can guarantee that most of us have been in this situation (if not the bully then the manipulator) at some point in our lives, it's just these home truths are often the bitterest pill for us to swallow. So this too is humiliation, because to admit this to ourselves is an effrontery to the grandiose & perhaps illusory high morals & standards that we hold so dear. But to do this is essential so we can forgive others & ourselves and move on. A very difficult card. Also it can be taken as "with this way doesn't it lead" and take it as lession for the next time On 6/5/2019 at 6:08 PM, joy said: @Cookie very interesting, yes of course humiliation is part of it too. Thank you very much for your insight! I guess these situations are not for ever. It's about that/these people if all of them resolve this or give up it. 49 minutes ago, Grizabella said: It can also mean choosing one's battles. Sometimes it's more effective and courageous to walk away than to stay and fight. And then also if that person with all swords change himself. So from both of sides it's difficult lession.
Moonshadow Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 (edited) I recently had this card come up as an outcome about a custody hearing. As you can imagine, I was concerned this suggested the querent was going to be unhappy with the verdict, win or lose, due to shady dealings behind the scenes and drew a card to clarify: the two of swords 😨 As it turned out, her ex husband refused to participate in a drug test and conceded on his request for extra time with the children as a result I mention this because it seems such an interesting interpretation of how I have previously seen this card. She emerged as victorious but it was not her morals or integrity that was compromised to place her there but the actions of the vanquished 🤔 *No one really wins when family is a battleground 😟 Edited June 8, 2019 by Moonshadow
JohnLetter Posted June 8, 2019 Author Posted June 8, 2019 19 hours ago, Moonshadow said: I recently had this card come up as an outcome about a custody hearing. As you can imagine, I was concerned this suggested the querent was going to be unhappy with the verdict, win or lose, due to shady dealings behind the scenes and drew a card to clarify: the two of swords 😨 As it turned out, her ex husband refused to participate in a drug test and conceded on his request for extra time with the children as a result I mention this because it seems such an interesting interpretation of how I have previously seen this card. She emerged as victorious but it was not her morals or integrity that was compromised to place her there but the actions of the vanquished 🤔 *No one really wins when family is a battleground 😟 Oh; first must say sorry to hear this situation. This kind of the 'battle' is one of those Grizabella mentioned. That guy could agree agree with drug test and do everything for to be with his children. But he decide for 'win when he got nothin in result.
amaya1 Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 I have an experience with five of swords yes indicates taking advantage from someone but i was feeling more the sense of jealousy Five swords indicates a madness about jealousy and they try to manipulate you , they are jealous and very ego and misunderastands your words intentionally
juyuio Posted June 14, 2019 Posted June 14, 2019 On 6/5/2019 at 9:28 AM, Eamane said: going behind their backs Isn't that associated more with 7 of swords?
JohnLetter Posted June 14, 2019 Author Posted June 14, 2019 On 6/9/2019 at 12:36 AM, Moonshadow said: The fallen swords ☹ I guess only one positive is Ace Of S
Carol92 Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 Competition, trying to being noticed (depends of the next card), being rude.
Lefty28 Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 I actually like this card it reminds me when I’m being crappy, all that bluster and I have won ....... at what cost! There will be feelings and a mess afterwards yuck I hate that. I think not I shall lay my weapons down and clean something.
TekkieTarot Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 I’ve seen the 5 of swords come up for a very attractive girl who a couple guys wanted to pursue but she’s married so they walk away with a feeling of like dang she’s taken. I seen this card come up a lot to for a “it’s mine I got it before you could” type of energy. Also this card comes up for cat and mouse games, with people playing hard to get with someone or one another. Or wanting to have the upper hand in a relationship no matter what.
Barleywine Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) This is one of the more conflicted (and therefore more interesting) minor cards. In the Thoth deck it simply means "Defeat" and is perfectly awful, but the RWS version is ambiguous about this because it seems to show a victor gloating over his retreating adversaries. I attempted to deal with this in my "Tarot 101" material: "Anyone looking at the card without prior knowledge of the meaning would be forgiven for assuming that it indicates conquest by the querent, not defeat. However, if it is assumed that the foreground figure is the “other” and that the subject of the inquiry has taken a beating and is in retreat, it is easier to see truth in the traditional interpretation. It suggests a “might makes right” scenario in which justice plays no part. The outlook is entirely discouraging. “Metaphorical euphemisms” for this card are “The ‘might makes right’ card (aka the ‘kick in the pants’ card); a few additional keywords include pain of loss, malice, spite, dishonor, divisiveness, treachery" The idea of a "Pyrrhic victory" also comes to mind. Edited June 28, 2019 by Barleywine
Thoughtful Posted July 14, 2019 Posted July 14, 2019 Trying to pinpoint a meaning to a specific card as in 5 Swords can be quite tricky. It depends on the question and also the particular deck you work with. For myself l work with the energy of the cards and let my intuition pick up what the card is saying to me. l am using the Legacy of the divine and funnily enough this card came up in a reading recently. Swords deal with the mind and thinking, and to me this Legacy card speaks of someone who has overcome mental battles either with others or within themselves. The card shows a person on the hill with the fires of battle behind them, they have won through and now stand confident holding their sword aloft. This proved to be right for the person l was reading for at the time. They were having business difficulties especially with one partner in the practice. It had mentally exhausted them but eventually a compromise was found., and they also found the courage to speak out and not to be bullied.
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