Osho Zen Tarot, or Oracle?

[Guest libra]

I actually find this deck to be REALLY FRIKKIN ON POINT. Like I was feeling silly and asked the deck what the deck thought about the dozen legal herb cigarettes my bf had rolled and out tossed "Abundance" at me, and I was like "what's going on in my mind?" on a really dissociative day, and pulled "No-thing ness", what do I need to focus on at 3am and got "Exhaustion" etc etc. Like it's insanely accurate for me. And yet? I don't really ever choose it cause of the weird vibes. 

[Symph]

1 hour ago, libra said:

I actually find this deck to be REALLY FRIKKIN ON POINT. Like I was feeling silly and asked the deck what the deck thought about the dozen legal herb cigarettes my bf had rolled and out tossed "Abundance" at me, and I was like "what's going on in my mind?" on a really dissociative day, and pulled "No-thing ness", what do I need to focus on at 3am and got "Exhaustion" etc etc. Like it's insanely accurate for me. And yet? I don't really ever choose it cause of the weird vibes. 

THAT'S HOW I FEEL!!!  It's like... I want to connect fully with this deck, and it's given me some really great readings, and if I had never heard anything bad about this Osho dude I would have never thought anything weird about it, but I heard this sex scandal stuff and now I can't seem to shake it from my mind, and I won't touch the deck, or if I do?  I do it timidly, I'm afraid to like... bond with the deck, as if somehow that's me saying I approve of whatever bad stuff this guy did, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT STUFF IS CAUSE I WON'T LOOK IT UP!!!  

 

Honestly... I should just bond with the deck as if it's his child.  I mean think about it.  Imagine you've got this weird freaking parent, who is kind of perverted and does illegal stuff and then gets put into jail and then you are given custody of his child.  Did he create the child?  Yes!  Is a part of him in the child genetically?  Sure!  But does that mean you judge the child based on the father's crimes?  NO!!  The child is totally innocent, they have their own consciousness, and one should not let the parent cause there to be any judgment of the child he created.  Maybe that's how I need to try to view this deck.  Dude may be weird, but the deck has it's own life to live and should not be judged based on the guy that created it.  

 

Is that a weird analogy to make?  I dunno... makes sense to me... in this moment... at this time... lololol

[Raggydoll]

If the analogy works for you then go with it. I personally don’t see this deck as a child, I see it more intended as an educational pamphlet - a spiritual tool to understand and spread the teachings of that particular cult. I don’t think it’s any different to publications of churches, to be honest. But I want to emphasize that I do not fear this deck or think that it will secretly indoctrinate those that work with it. I simply don’t resonate with the art style or the belief system that it is based on. I also don’t tend to view decks in the terms of accuracy, especially not as something that is an inherent quality of the deck. To me it’s all about the connection and the alignment - and that exists in the moment. I might even argue that some people experience a stronger connection with decks that challenge or even intimidate them, because it helps them tap into more primal parts of their consciousness. That may well be what’s going on here. And I think it’s always wise to go with what works for you, just knowing and allowing it to change at any time. 

[Symph]

6 hours ago, Raggydoll said:

If the analogy works for you then go with it. I personally don’t see this deck as a child, I see it more intended as an educational pamphlet - a spiritual tool to understand and spread the teachings of that particular cult. I don’t think it’s any different to publications of churches, to be honest. But I want to emphasize that I do not fear this deck or think that it will secretly indoctrinate those that work with it. I simply don’t resonate with the art style or the belief system that it is based on. I also don’t tend to view decks in the terms of accuracy, especially not as something that is an inherent quality of the deck. To me it’s all about the connection and the alignment - and that exists in the moment. I might even argue that some people experience a stronger connection with decks that challenge or even intimidate them, because it helps them tap into more primal parts of their consciousness. That may well be what’s going on here. And I think it’s always wise to go with what works for you, just knowing and allowing it to change at any time. 

Yeah that makes sense.  I don't think there is anything wrong with keeping the deck either, however if I can't shake these weird feelings I'll never be able to fully embrace it.  Something in me though just feels like....  I can't let some dude who may or may not have had a hand in creating this thing, nor the opinions of others cause me to throw out something that I personally resonated with before finding any of this out.  Like, in principle that's what I want to do, but now that these seeds of distrust have been planted, will I be able to shake them?  Not sure... 

[DanielJUK]

I once had the most amazing reading experience for someone else with the deck back on Aeclectic Tarot. I picked one card and got Healing, King of Water (King of Cups in regular tarot) and it was a short one card reading for this person but they were so affected by it and told me they were in mourning. I think they saw it as a message from the deceased person that they will heal from it, it was a big moment and support for them.

 

Like I said before, I do have issues with this deck and I do have issues with Osho but I keep this deck in my collection because it's great for meditation cards and also like @libra said it can be so on point! However I did ignore the book for my healing reading and just went with my intuition with the card based on the image 🙂

[loveheartlight]

(Jewel, your mermaid avatar made me think of Aelyria.)

 

I personally cannot connect with the Osho deck. My first encounter with it was I was with my friends, I forgot (!) my RWS at home, my friend said, "Here, use this deck" (owned by another friend) and for the life of me I couldn't read it. It was just... too... simplistic. The image is there. The name of the card is there. What else is there to intuit? And isn't there a Darkness card that is nothing but black?

 

Anyhow, a few days ago, I was feeling depressed. I asked my friend who owned that Osho deck (we were chatting over Messenger), "Can you pull a card for me? I'm in the dumps."

 

Osho is his go-to deck so I knew he would pull from there. I got Past Lives and Clinging to the Past. I nodded assent. I mean, sure, it was fairly accurate diagnostic as far as my sitch is concerned, but I mean, what can I do with that info? What's the advice?

 

Anyhoo, that reading did get me to reaching out to my copy of Sacred Contracts by Carolyn Myss. I'm reading it now and so many flashbulbs of insight are going off in my brain, particularly about... ta-dah! my past lives and how I am clinging to the past.

 

Even after having this experience with the Osho, I still won't purchase it, nor use it for readings.

[Jewel]

On 10/10/2019 at 7:05 AM, DanielJUK said:

Like I said before, I do have issues with this deck and I do have issues with Osho but I keep this deck in my collection because it's great for meditation cards and also like @libra said it can be so on point! However I did ignore the book for my healing reading and just went with my intuition with the card based on the image 🙂

Do much this ^  that is how I use it too, when I use it.  Both books on this deck are just Osho BS.

 

@loveheartlight who is Aelyria?

Edited October 11, 2019 by Jewel

[loveheartlight]

@Jewel It's an online RPG, totally off-topic, but you can play a mermaid and use that as your character photo.

[Grizabella]

I had the deck at one time. I tried using it a few times when I was learning, but without really finding a lot of success with that. And I don't know where it went but I don't have it anymore and I don't miss it.  That's about the extent of me with Osho Zen.😊

 

I live in Oregon and I never liked that Master card so I left it in the box and tried to forget it was in there. 

 

Wasn't the Tao Oracle by the same people? I had that at one time, too, and I enjoyed the art work but I didn't use it and traded it on with someone.

 

 

Edited October 12, 2019 by Grizabella

[Saturn Celeste]

4 hours ago, Grizabella said:

Wasn't the Tao Oracle by the same people? I had that at one time, too, and I enjoyed the art work but I didn't use it and traded it on with someone.

Yes!  I love that deck!!

[Symph]

So my views on decks in general are evolving rapidly.  I am beginning to take a much more serious approach to the Tarot, and as such, my views on the Osho deck have changed a bit too...  I know this is weird but the deck has started to strike me as a bit... preachy.  I can't remember who it was in this thread but earlier someone said they couldn't intuit with the deck because the imagery was too straightforward and I totally see that now.  It's like the deck is saying "Let me teach you the truth about existence" but that's not how Tarot is supposed to work, it's supposed to give you the elements that you can then use to intuit your own personal meanings from.  

So when you mix that with the fact that so many people have a stigma attached to the deck, I'm beginning to wonder if I myself really want to use it either!  I mean, as an Oracle deck to just pick out a theme for the day?  Yeah sure maybe.  And there are still some beautiful card meanings in there, like the one about the lion who thought he was a sheep until he looked into the pool of inner reflection, yeah that's deep and beautiful for sure.  I just... I'm moving into a deeper level of connection to the Tarot and beginning to realize that I need to be far pickier about the artwork and overall vibes of my future decks.  It's not as simple as "I like taoism and those are pretty pictures!"  I need to really feel like I can embrace the cards fully on a very deep level so that I can bond with them.  

I wish I had better words to explain what I was meaning here but I just feel I've been seeing whats on the surface a bit too much, and a layer has been removed in the last couple of days so that I'm seeing the cards in a deeper way, which has me not resonating quite as much with a couple of decks I thought I liked, Osho being the biggest one I'm just not really feeling anymore.  

[Arch]

I just watched a few vids on Osho and looked at some of his cards.

First time I encounter him.

 

Personally I wouldn't use the cards, and I sense the energy people are talking about.

Though it don't give me a bad feeling, rather it just seemed shallow to me.

But I can see a depth to them as well, just not in places I prefer to have depth.

 

His talks seemed okay, not unhappy with what he is saying.

Seems pretty straight forward.

That being said, I can see how he would rub some people the wrong way,

but to me, it seems pretty harmless, at least compared to what I've encountered other places.

[Symph]

44 minutes ago, Arch said:

I just watched a few vids on Osho and looked at some of his cards.

First time I encounter him.

 

Personally I wouldn't use the cards, and I sense the energy people are talking about.

Though it don't give me a bad feeling, rather it just seemed shallow to me.

But I can see a depth to them as well, just not in places I prefer to have depth.

 

His talks seemed okay, not unhappy with what he is saying.

Seems pretty straight forward.

That being said, I can see how he would rub some people the wrong way,

but to me, it seems pretty harmless, at least compared to what I've encountered other places.

Yeah!  "Shallow" is how it hit me the other day.   I don't feel there's anything wrong with keeping it if one chooses I certainly wouldn't judge them, I don't even judge Osho I mean... I don't know the guy I have no idea what his reasons for his actions were or what it would have been like to live in his shoes.  I just feel like... the deck is becoming less useful to me all the time cause I'm not gonna use it to read for other people since I don't want the stigma to affect people's view of the reading, I don't want to read for myself with it cause I just don't intuit with it's straightforward messages, I suppose I could use it as an oracle but  so many of the messages are kinda samey to me that that doesn't really sound appealing to me anymore... I may wind up giving it away myself.  Didn't see that coming lol

[Arch]

@Symph

But then the day comes when someone requests a read with them,

obviously a lot of people like him, and they have their reasons.

 

Personally I'm rather picky with decks, and never buys anything I'm not totally sure I really want.

Partly because my space is limited, partly because I know what is right for me.

As I've pointed out many times, I mostly read for myself so I don't need to cater to others wants and needs.

Besides most people accept vanilla Rider Waite.

 

And if they are the type that would make a lot of fuzz about it,

chances are high they would make a lot of fuzz about a lot of other things also.

So it becomes a sort of filter in that regard too. 😎

 

 

 

[Symph]

6 hours ago, Arch said:

@Symph

But then the day comes when someone requests a read with them,

obviously a lot of people like him, and they have their reasons.

 

Personally I'm rather picky with decks, and never buys anything I'm not totally sure I really want.

Partly because my space is limited, partly because I know what is right for me.

As I've pointed out many times, I mostly read for myself so I don't need to cater to others wants and needs.

Besides most people accept vanilla Rider Waite.

 

And if they are the type that would make a lot of fuzz about it,

chances are high they would make a lot of fuzz about a lot of other things also.

So it becomes a sort of filter in that regard too. 😎

 

 

 

I really like... became that way in the last few days.  I don't know how into astrology you are, but I have gotten pretty into it and some crazy changes are happening right now with planets going into their direct or like, forward moving phase, and I keep watching these astrologers talk about this stuff and everything they say is my EXACT experience.  So I'm like, going through these fast, intense changes in opinion and having lots of revelations and breakthroughs on a weekly basis these days!  

When I began Tarot, I was still a bit... further away from what I was doing, not quite understanding the reality, it was fun, it was novel, I liked the idea of it.  I ordered decks that fit with this energy.  But as of like, 3 days ago, I began looking at the decks I bought going "This doesn't truly represent me, I wasn't fully present in this, I didn't think hard enough about these pictures", and it just.. hit me like a ton of bricks, with tarot it is ALL ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL THE PICTURES lol  

Maybe that doesn't sound profound, but for me it was.  I've never been a visual art guy, I'm a musician, I've always felt visual art just... didn't do it for me.  So I chose my decks based on novel concepts, "I like taoism, I should get a tao themed deck"  "Druidism seems cool, I'll get a druid themed deck"  "I need a rider wait, I'm a hippie, I'll get a holographic rider waite"  You see where I'm going with this?  These choices were based on the ideas surrounding the decks, but not the decks themselves.  

Three days ago I'm looking at the decks I have going "omg... I didn't truly LOOK at these pictures, I didn't make sure I felt them, vibed with them, and I kinda just... don't..."  For the first time I really felt like the only reason I don't feel art is cause I don't expect nor try to!  So yeah... I guess I'll admit it, but I went searching for decks I DID vibe with, and I bought 3 more (even though I'm not supposed to since I'm in the mentorship program... sorry @Saturn Celeste, I just couldn't help myself!)  But I had a free amazon prime membership that was expiring and I just felt I NEEDED these decks.  

I got ethereal visions, tarot of the spirit, and the starman bowie deck, but for once I chose based on MY tastes, not like... ideas that seemed like they should work.  I actually watched videos that went through every single card and made sure I loved them all (one card in the bowie deck weirded me out but every other one nailed it)  I also upset my wife cause money is really tight but I have asked my boss for more hours and have faith that it will all work out lol...  

So anyway... yeah... I just... didn't quite grasp what I was doing or how serious I should take this when I first chose my decks, but I feel like I will never make that mistake again.  Choosing a deck is like choosing a roommate, you gotta know truly vibe with this person and you're gonna wanna be around them for a long LONG time.  

Oh... I went way off topic to what you said lolol  But yes, I'm not giving up the Osho deck just yet, I still believe everything happens for a reason, so I'm trusting I have it for a reason as well.  

[Arch]

12 hours ago, Symph said:

I really like... became that way in the last few days.  I don't know how into astrology you are, but I have gotten pretty into it and some crazy changes are happening right now with planets going into their direct or like, forward moving phase, and I keep watching these astrologers talk about this stuff and everything they say is my EXACT experience.  So I'm like, going through these fast, intense changes in opinion and having lots of revelations and breakthroughs on a weekly basis these days!  

 

Astrology is not my strong suite, but I'm willing to delve deeper into it, maybe I can learn it well enough to post some article that connects up some dots on this forum.

I know a book I read touched on it, but I didn't pay a lot of attention to the astrology part, I know the signs and all, but I'm not up to date on how it works.

Do you have any links that you think are useful in getting up to speed on astrology?

 

12 hours ago, Symph said:

When I began Tarot, I was still a bit... further away from what I was doing, not quite understanding the reality, it was fun, it was novel, I liked the idea of it.  I ordered decks that fit with this energy.  But as of like, 3 days ago, I began looking at the decks I bought going "This doesn't truly represent me, I wasn't fully present in this, I didn't think hard enough about these pictures", and it just.. hit me like a ton of bricks, with tarot it is ALL ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL THE PICTURES lol  

 

It is profound, getting to know what is right for one is important, too bad it was at a price that stung so much.

 

 

[Symph]

1 hour ago, Arch said:

 

Astrology is not my strong suite, but I'm willing to delve deeper into it, maybe I can learn it well enough to post some article that connects up some dots on this forum.

I know a book I read touched on it, but I didn't pay a lot of attention to the astrology part, I know the signs and all, but I'm not up to date on how it works.

Do you have any links that you think are useful in getting up to speed on astrology?

 

 

It is profound, getting to know what is right for one is important, too bad it was at a price that stung so much.

 

 

Oh I wouldn't say it stung that much, I still love my druidcraft deck, and I call Mystic Mondays my "Soccer mom deck" hahaha cause it really does have that "modern hip woman" kinda feel so I will have use for them, they just aren't ME.  As far as astrology, I have not like... tried to learn it too much myself, I just watch youtubers and by watching many different youtubers who keep emphasizing the same things, I've picked up a bit on how it works, but I would need to study a book to actually LEARN about it.  

2 of my favorite astrology channels are

 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5SvxRw9OPozbhEZbHCB9yw Wonder Girl Astrology

And https://www.youtube.com/user/MysticIlluminations The Peace Dealer

 

Neither of these will like, teach you much directly, but Peace Dealer is just this really down to earth cool astrology geek who lets you know what shifts in energy are coming, and if you watch enough of his videos you'll start to grasp some things, and Wonder Girl Astrology is just like... omg that girl is a lightning rod for intuition, you can just tell she FEELS and senses everything she says as she says it.  She'll draw diagrams and stuff too so she might be a bit more of an educational channel, but once again she deals more with the energies coming in and how we can utilize them.  That's mainly what resonates with me, I don't quite understand the planetary stuff, but these channels keep saying the same things, and then I FEEL it happen on the days they said it would happen.  

For example, there was a full moon last night, and this girl 

 Was talking about how it could bring chaotic energies or disappointments, feelings of regret, plans falling through, and to be prepared.  Well that's what happened, my wife was in a mood, my promotion fell through, people were acting weird at work, I was unusually moody, but I felt prepared and "in the loop" because I was warned it was just the full moon haha  So yeah that's as far as my interest goes right now, but I do eventually want to get some books and learn it for myself, but right now Tarot is enough to have on my plate in that department.

[Arch]

@Symph

Thx have checked it out was interesting.

I think I need to check out the astrology subforum to follow up on this.