devin Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 14 hours ago, Marigold said: But their national anthem is one of the coolest in the world !! Using human beings as fertilizer is not my bag. You anarchists. My personal favorites are the Welsh and South African: Now I need a cry. Oh, and welcome theholysticvagabond!
Marigold Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, devin said: Using human beings as fertilizer is not my bag. You anarchists. My personal favorites are the Welsh and South African: Now I need a cry. Oh, and welcome theholysticvagabond! Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika is of course in a class of its own. I preferred the original version without the English and Afrikaans. It was used by all the liberation groups in Southern Africa. I got my local choir that I sang in at the time to sing it at a church function we were asked to go and sing at. And I got everyone in the congregation to stand up while we were singing it so as to honour the freedom fighters. By the way, it's not human beings that are being used as fertilizer. Just their blood. A bit like the TdM Arcanum Without A Name XII - the card that represents Revolution in all its glory and unglory. This one was also one of my ever favourites, but it's now part of history. Why are we talking about national anthems ? The Russians speak of the Motherland and not the Fatherland. I like that. But anything Russian I like. Edited January 23, 2020 by Marigold
devin Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Marigold said: By the way, it's not human beings that are being used as fertilizer. Just their blood.
Decan Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) Hello and welcome @theholysticvagabond 12 hours ago, DanielJUK said: I read somewhere once (I don't know if this is true) that in France you have a separate civil / religious marriage, so everyone has a civil ceremony as part of the separation of church and state. Yes, that's true, secularism is something very important in French culture. You don't have to go to church for a birth, a marriage or the funeral, but you can if you want (it's up to you). Particularly, public officials have to be neutral, and must not show external signs of their religious affiliation (if they have one), actually it's forbidden. Generally, external signs of religious affiliation aren't really welcomed if not discreet, and there are often some problems with that. EDIT: well I read above that our "national anthem is one of the coolest in the world"; lol not at all La Marseillaise (our national anthem) is actually a war song (against monarchy)! Edited January 23, 2020 by Decan
katrinka Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Decan said: Hello and welcome @theholysticvagabond And hello from me, too. Welcome! Quote Yes, that's true, secularism is something very important in French culture. You don't have to go to church for a birth, a marriage or the funeral, but you can if you want (it's up to you). Particularly, public officials have to be neutral, and must not show external signs of their religious affiliation (if they have one), actually it's forbidden. Generally, external signs of religious affiliation aren't really welcomed if not discreet, and there are often some problems with that. We could use more of that here in the US. It's getting very creepy here. The article is from a Texas publication, but this is metasticizing all over the country: https://www.texasobserver.org/dominion-theology/ While I don't have a problem with some of the things I've heard France doesn't allow, like Muslim women wearing hijabs, religion has no place in government or public schools. People still have the right to believe in any religion they want, but not to push it on anyone else. Quote EDIT: well I read above that our "national anthem is one of the coolest in the world"; lol not at all La Marseillaise (our national anthem) is actually a war song (against monarchy)! Storming the Bastille?
Marigold Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Marseillaise
Decan Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, katrinka said: Storming the Bastille? Our anthem was written during the French Revolution indeed, and according to what I just read a few years after storming of the Bastille. Well, below in English, you will see that it isn’t really cool 😬 http://www.marseillaise.org/english/english.html Edited January 23, 2020 by Decan
katrinka Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Decan said: Our anthem was written during the French Revolution indeed, and according to what I just read a few years after storming of the Bastille. Well, below in English, you will see that it isn’t really cool 😬 http://www.marseillaise.org/english/english.html *shudders* Those lyrics would have been perfectly justified during the Nazi occupation, though.
theholysticvagabond Posted January 23, 2020 Author Posted January 23, 2020 23 hours ago, Marigold said: That's also true what you say. Thanks for bringing this up. They love the scientific facts don't they. When it comes to medicine it's extreme to extreme compared to other European countries. The lack of spirituality in France is largely due I think to their history, and the revolution and their fierce allegiance to secularism (laïcité) that results from their history. This is also taken to the extreme when for instance a mother accompanying school kids on a school outing in a spirit of community and solidarity is vilified by wearing an Islamic veil and for 2 weeks the newspapers speak of nothing but this. I felt really sad for that woman. But there is also the other side. Because France is France and is also full of poetry. And the spirit of Egalité, Fraternité et Liberté is still there, a little confused at the moment. France has inspired the world since forever at certain periods like a beacon in many domains. But they seem to be lost a bit at the moment. That's a page in history. They'll rise up again one day... when they bring back god or whatever one wishes to call it. They've been ignoring it for quite some time and they're in a right mess. In 1984 the Bibilothèque Nationale organised what must have been a fascinating exhibition entitled "Tarot, jeu et magie". The French are very proud of the Tarot of Marseilles. It's part of their heritage. The tarot as a divination device may be denigrated at times, but the Tarot of Marseilles as a pack of cards is very respected. Also because of the other tarot deck, the playing card one. Tarot in some form of another is sort of in their DNA. @Marigold You said everything. Hi @Endy, @Lady Butterfly, @devin, @Decan, @katrinka, thanks for your messages ! I didn't expect this enthusiasm for debating national anthems and french relationships with religions. 😂🙂 Thank you all
Raggydoll Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 Okay, friends - this thread has obviously derailed and due to the heated emotions I am going to lock this one up. EDIT: I have decided to remove the latest posts and unlock this thread. I do not like the thought of introduction threads being locked, but if the previous discussion were to continue then it will be locked yet again. So no more arguing! Stick to the topic of welcoming a new member and keep it nice. Thank you!
Natural Mystic Guide Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 On 1/20/2020 at 4:54 PM, theholysticvagabond said: tarot chosed me (at least, the feeling i had): I had a spiritual awakening, and many signs showed up that led me to the cards. Thanks for sharing! That is so exciting and inspiring. How great that you also have been able to push through and put yourself out there in a challenging climate. I am passionate about Tarot as well. I am very visually oriented and have always love color, symbols, mythology... plus I am super intuitive and like to help people. So it is a natural. Be thankful that you have as much freedom as you do in your country. There are other places in the world that are not as free.
Symph Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 On 1/20/2020 at 2:54 AM, theholysticvagabond said: Hello tarot lovers, I'm the holystic vagabond and I'm part of the lucky humans that had tarot entering their lives. -who would imagine that?- I was completely CLOSED to any sort of spirituality in the past. Rationality and science were my mantra. But for some reasons, tarot chosed me (at least, the feeling i had): I had a spiritual awakening, and many signs showed up that led me to the cards. Did you experienced something like that too? -like a need- I spent night and days learning about the interpretation of the cards (and still learning every day). But it took me a while to share and "confess" my passion to my surrounding. Especially in my country (france), tarot is not something well received. Is it the same in your country? Anyway! (i talk too much) I'm now reading for myself, for others, and just started recording general tarot reading videos on YT. It's an intense journey, and I would love to hear yours ! ❣️ Love this introduction!! Yes you ARE one of the lucky ones! As am I! Woo hoo!!!
theholysticvagabond Posted January 26, 2020 Author Posted January 26, 2020 @Natural Mystic Guide Oh, it seems like tarot was meant for you ! And you're right about freedom. It's a privilege that we use to see it as normal when it's clearly not. Thanks for sharing your story too ! 🙂 @Symph Yay! Thank you 🤗
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