Alot is wrong with tarot card interpretation

[gregory]

Just now, TheAlchemistsAbode said:

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If you have nothing actually to say, why not - not post ?

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9 minutes ago, gregory said:

 

If you have nothing actually to say, why not - not post ?

🧘‍♀️we are all one 

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On 11/12/2021 at 7:14 AM, Expressionpersonelle said:

Do you believe tarot tells the future or one's higher self? I seem to think alot of card interpretation these days are getting way out of hand.

bringing things back round to the topic at hand 

 

One’s higher self… Our collective higher self 🔥♾🔥

[katrinka]

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1 hour ago, TheAlchemistsAbode said:

bringing things back round to the topic at hand 

 

One’s higher self… Our collective higher self 🔥♾🔥

Hey @TheAlchemistsAbode please stay on topic. Your reply is not what this thread is about. Thank you for your co-operation!

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Someone asks if Tarot tells the future or is about one’s higher self

 

I reply that I believe Tarot is about one’s higher self

 

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1 hour ago, TheAlchemistsAbode said:

bringing things back round to the topic at hand 

 

One’s higher self… Our collective higher self 🔥♾🔥

 

[Guest]

Namaste @joy you have enlightened me 🙏

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13 minutes ago, TheAlchemistsAbode said:

Someone asks if Tarot tells the future or is about one’s higher self

 

I reply that I believe Tarot is about one’s higher self

 

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Ok I see and I apologize. Maybe a bit more text would have helped to understand what you were referring too.

[Guest]

You don’t have anything to be sorry about @joy and I agree I could/should elaborate 

 

I feel Tarot is a pictorial representation of discovering the higher self. Every card points towards understanding unconditional self love… some call this ascension, some of us believe in the twin ray… all I know is that I have unconditional love for everything… how can I not?!

 

Everything came from one point of creation; therefore everything is related to that one point of creation 

[katrinka]

2 hours ago, gregory said:

If you have nothing actually to say, why not - not post ?

 

Did the minimum word limit get lost in an update? Until recently, we couldn't reply with less than five words.
And I do agree.

[katrinka]

30 minutes ago, TheAlchemistsAbode said:

Every card points towards understanding unconditional self love… some call this ascension, some of us believe in the twin ray… all I know is that I have unconditional love for everything… how can I not?!

 

Because I'm assuming you're a human. Even the Dalai Lama can't do that, and he's been practicing since early childhood. And even if a human were able to maintain unconditional love for everything there is 24/7, they wouldn't "ascend" anywhere. They'd just walk around feeling unconditional love.

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13 minutes ago, katrinka said:

 

Did the minimum word limit get lost in an update? Until recently, we couldn't reply with less than five words.
And I do agree.

True not sure what happened, I will check. 

[katrinka]

1 hour ago, joy said:

True not sure what happened, I will check. 

 

It seems to be on again now. Thank you!

[Little Fang]

I gave it a kick in the boot. 😉

[Marina]

I read cards both to get predictions/ information and ALSO to gain a different perspectives on situations I am living. After years of studying psychology, I know for a fact that, many times, we don't know everything we think we know, and we don't see things as clearly as we think we do. To presume so is what often causes people to walk blindly into trouble. The cards can give us a kick in the rear sometimes, and I am as grateful for those as I am with accurate prediction and useful information.

 

That said, I always avoid using vague, new age-ish terms like "higher self" or anything that sounds like a spiritual imposition in my readings. People come to me for readings, not for indoctrination. I like to keep my readings useful and the point. One thing is for the cards do offer perspectives which are not predictions. Another is to blabber endlessly on energies, vibration, spirit, higher self, evolution, accession and stuff that can mean anything. I honestly do not understand the concept of a higher self, so I consider it to be beyond my scope when it comes to divination.

 

 

[RunningWild]

I've read this thread through five times now just to make certain I wasn't missing something. 

 

I, along with others, don't care for the 'wellness' aspect that some readers use the cards for.  If someone approaches me for a reading, they aren't looking for ways toward spiritual ascension.  In fact, from the time I learned the cards until now, and it's been a few years, not one single person has ever asked for a reading regarding their spirituality and I'm eternally grateful for that.  I'd have to mock them out of the universe for even asking if they did.

 

I like predictive readings.  I view it like a game and a way to test the cards along with my interpretation.  A challenge, if you will, that never becomes boring.

 

In-my-probably-not-so-humble-opinion, those who mostly, or only, do readings on spirituality (especially for others) are merely lazy.  Yes, I've said it.  Lazy.  There is nothing at stake telling someone about their guides/angels/ancestors etc.  as none of it can be verified or is only anecdotal based upon what the sitter has heard throughout their life.

 

 

 

 

[katrinka]

1 hour ago, Little Fang said:

I gave it a kick in the boot. 😉

 

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
Thanks, LF!
 

1 hour ago, marinaoracles said:

That said, I always avoid using vague, new age-ish terms like "higher self" or anything that sounds like a spiritual imposition in my readings. People come to me for readings, not for indoctrination. I like to keep my readings useful and the point. One thing is for the cards do offer perspectives which are not predictions. Another is to blabber endlessly on energies, vibration, spirit, higher self, evolution, accession and stuff that can mean anything. I honestly do not understand the concept of a higher self, so I consider it to be beyond my scope when it comes to divination.

 

So much THIS. Nobody picks up the cards because they want to be evangelicized - quite the opposite.

And nonsense is nonsense.
http://wisdomofchopra.com/

 

Edited November 16, 2021 by katrinka

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8 minutes ago, RunningWild said:

In-my-probably-not-so-humble-opinion, those who mostly, or only, do readings on spirituality (especially for others) are merely lazy.  Yes, I've said it.  Lazy.  There is nothing at stake telling someone about their guides/angels/ancestors etc.  as none of it can be verified or is only anecdotal based upon what the sitter has heard throughout their life.

Also this. Such readings are just noise.
Until you can answer questions that people actually ask, like "Will I get the job?", "Where is grandma's ring?", "Will he ask me out?", etc., you haven't learned to read cards.

[Little Fang]

It certainly depends on the clientele you prefer. Hotline questions are definitely nothing but those questions, but some of us are in our element with spiritual and guidance readings, and I can assure you that I am not lazy. I just resonate higher with these readings. I could do the others all day, but then I'm left an empty husk and sucked of my joy. 

[Raggydoll]

1 hour ago, RunningWild said:

 

In-my-probably-not-so-humble-opinion, those who mostly, or only, do readings on spirituality (especially for others) are merely lazy.  Yes, I've said it.  Lazy.  There is nothing at stake telling someone about their guides/angels/ancestors etc.  as none of it can be verified or is only anecdotal based upon what the sitter has heard throughout their life.

 

You are entitled to feel that way. However, this is a forum where every reading style is welcome, and its important that we are considerate in how we express ourselves. We have many members who do spiritual style readings, and its really unnecessary and actually a bit disrespectful to call them lazy. We don't need posts like this to cause friction or to make people feel like they need to defend themselves.

 

Another aspect that seem to be lost here is that some people are doing spiritual readings as part of a religion, a native spiritual culture or a spiritual role. Some of our members are of a first-nation/indigenous spirituality, and some are considered shamans in their community. Others are priests or priestesses. They would do spiritual readings as part of their role and their belief system. If you would think they are lazy, I would say you probably just don't know what it is that they do. 

 

Personally, I do both predictive and spiritual readings. Some of my spiritual readings are predictive, and most of my mundane predictions are of spiritual origin. One can't be separated from the other. What you said about not being able to verify a spiritual reading, I would disagree with. I have had readings (as well as given readings) about ancestors, where names and dates and events was verified through family research. Many of us who do spiritual style readings are using psychic or intuitive channeling where very specific information can come through, as an addition to what we see in the cards. This goes for my predictive style readings as well. Neither one is quicker or easier. It takes a lot of energy to do them both. 

 

When you are a professional reader and do predictive style readings, it is typically only in a small percentage of your readings that you learn whether something came to pass or not. Sometimes a client will come back and let you know, but if you have a big clientele, its not uncommon to make lots of predictions that are never verified. I have actually met quite a few readers who produce a great number of predictive readings on a daily or weekly basis, that they almost never verify. Technically, they could then be just as 'lazy' as someone who does the same with spiritual readings. Its not the style of reading that is the issue, really. There are great and serious readers in every niche, just as there are less experienced or less skilled readers in every niche! 

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5 hours ago, katrinka said:

Also this. Such readings are just noise.
Until you can answer questions that people actually ask, like "Will I get the job?", "Where is grandma's ring?", "Will he ask me out?", etc., you haven't learned to read cards.

 

I prefer questions like "What do I need to do to have the best chance of getting this job ?" and so on. Gives my sitters a bit of control. Also "Yes, you will get the job" - as even you say, katrinka, even from the best reader in the world, that's "as things stand right now" - it is not a guarantee. If it were no-one would ever need to make an effort, if they scored a yes to that.

 

4 hours ago, Little Fang said:

It certainly depends on the clientele you prefer. Hotline questions are definitely nothing but those questions, but some of us are in our element with spiritual and guidance readings, and I can assure you that I am not lazy. I just resonate higher with these readings. I could do the others all day, but then I'm left an empty husk and sucked of my joy. 

 

I'm with you. Questions that will offer options float my boat. And as long as my sitter gets something from it and is happy with the result... I rarely follow up on what happened. On the whole it's not my business to do that.

 

But I don't "connect with my higher woowoo...."

 

@Little Fang LOVE the limits thing at the bottom of the page  

[katrinka]

6 hours ago, Little Fang said:

Hotline questions are definitely nothing but those questions

 

LOL, absolutely. With the rare exception of an occasional past life question or one about a deceased person, it's virtually all love and money.
 

6 hours ago, Little Fang said:

but some of us are in our element with spiritual and guidance readings, and I can assure you that I am not lazy

 

True. But spirituality should be workable, and guidance should be about telling people about things they can actually do. Telling someone they need to feel unconditional love 24/7 so they can float up in the air, or hang out on Mt. Shasta with St. Germain, Krishna and Thomas Jefferson, or whatever was meant by "ascension" isn't workable. IMHO it's a good way to end up on medication.
 

6 hours ago, Raggydoll said:

Some of my spiritual readings are predictive, and most of my mundane predictions are of spiritual origin. One can't be separated from the other.

 

That's what I'm trying to say, actually. Spirituality is a helium balloon and real life is the string. Without a string, you don't have a balloon. It floats up about ten miles and pops.

 

6 hours ago, Raggydoll said:

I have actually met quite a few readers who produce a great number of predictive readings on a daily or weekly basis, that they almost never verify. Technically, they could then be just as 'lazy' as someone who does the same with spiritual readings

 

True, you need regulars in order to verify. And working the lines, regulars are the minority. But there should still be regulars. Having too few or none is a red flag.

 

2 hours ago, gregory said:

But I don't "connect with my higher woowoo...."

 

That's because you haven't ascended, gregory.

Edited November 16, 2021 by katrinka

[fire cat pickles]

On 11/12/2021 at 2:14 AM, Expressionpersonelle said:

Do you believe tarot tells the future or one's higher self? 

@Raggydoll What you've just said makes me think that this statement is a false dichotomy.

 

For some readers this can be the same thing.

 

 

[Raggydoll]

49 minutes ago, fire cat pickles said:

@Raggydoll What you've just said makes me think that this statement is a false dichotomy.

 

For some readers this can be the same thing.

 

 

Absolutely, that’s why I initially stated that I was confused by the question! 

[katrinka]

There's several ways of looking at the term "higher self."

Taken at face value, it's vague. It has multiple definitions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_self

 

But:
A friend of mine once remarked: “Slang is shorthand, and a tribal marker. Jargon is a willful attempt to send bad signal, masked by obfuscation.”

 

Sometimes I'll mention "shining a person on" and I'll be asked if I'm from California. I'm not, and the person I first heard use the term isn't, either, though they could have heard it there. So apparently "shining people on" is a tribal marker for people from California. I still use it, it's good shorthand for "pretending to agree with someone so they go away." It's slang.

Jargon is more insidious. Workplaces are full of jargon (scroll down to the chart):
https://wavelength.asana.com/workstyle-workplace-jargon-cheat-sheet/#close

 

"Higher self" could translate to "I like new age stuff like crystals." A tribal marker of sorts.
But it could also translate to "I'm on the prowl for suckers." (I'm not saying the OP was doing that. Only that the term can be a big red flag, especially when there's money involved.) When used that way, it's jargon.