frankie Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 A happy New Year to you all! I'm a novice card reader, interested in learning more about traditional (continental) fortune telling and divination systems. The Petit Lenormand has been my obsession since discovering it in 2018 through Andy Boroveshengra's book, Lenormand Thirty Six Cards. The Lenormand oracle remains a mystery on most days! I started writing out my daily readings in 2020, and my learning is slowly gaining traction. The Cartamundi/Brepols pattern is my go-to deck, although I love the Dondorf almost as much! I'm learning to read the Tarot, too, but on most days I reach for the Lenormand instead--I'm like a dog with a bone! I actually came to Lenormand because I was frustrated with all the noise muddling my Tarot studies, and Andy's book was a game changer for how to be clear and precise with my readings, regardless of the cards used. My go-to Tarot decks are the 1JJ Swiss (majors only), the Thomson Leng Tarot, and less frequently the Hanson-Roberts Tarot and Albano Waite Tarot. For a time (roughly 2015-20), I used the Victorian Romantic Tarot (and guidebook) exclusively, and I love it still. Other card decks I'm enjoying learning are the Sibylle des Salons/Sibilla Indovina and, less frequently, the Oracle Belline. Thanks for taking the time to read my long intro! I'm excited to be here, although I'm definitely more comfortable being a lurker so I hope I can contribute to the forum's many wonderful conversations.
joy Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 Hello @frankiewelcome to the TT&M Family I have only just recently started studying Lenormand and while it can be frustrating to understand I am hooked!
frankie Posted January 10, 2022 Author Posted January 10, 2022 Hi @joy! Thank you for the warm welcome! Lenormand is totally frustrating but also totally addictive 😂 Do you have any favorite spreads or any learning tips that have been working for you? I'm years from being even remotely proficient and I love it still!
joy Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 Hey @frankie I have only just started. I have Andy B’s book 🥰 So far I have only done 3 and 5 cards, no spreads. Some beginners just started to do the Treppner course together here in the forum. You will need 5 posts to see the section. Practice, practice, practice is key.
frankie Posted January 10, 2022 Author Posted January 10, 2022 Thanks for the heads-up about the course, @joy! I'm very grateful for Andy B's book--it's like an onion, the different layers open up to you the more you practice and concepts start to make sense. Every time I pick it up, which is often! I discover new insights. Lines of 3 and 5 get the job done, for sure! I tried my first grand tableau several months ago, and part of me wishes I had started learning with it. It's very cool to see how near and far meanings work, like, how the cards were meant to function at their fullest potential! It took me three days to interpret though...lol... Thanks for the learning tip, too!
DanielJUK Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 Welcome to the forum @frankie glad you have found our community and hope you take part in threads when you feel you want to step out of lurking 🙂 We are very friendly really
frankie Posted January 11, 2022 Author Posted January 11, 2022 😁 Thank you @DanielJUK! The friendliness is convincing 😉 I'll do my best to fight the urge to lurk.
gregory Posted January 11, 2022 Posted January 11, 2022 Welcome, frankie If you're with Andy, I'm with you... (not that I'm up to speed on Lenormand yet - not at all !)
joy Posted January 11, 2022 Posted January 11, 2022 14 hours ago, frankie said: Thanks for the heads-up about the course, @joy! I'm very grateful for Andy B's book--it's like an onion, the different layers open up to you the more you practice and concepts start to make sense. Every time I pick it up, which is often! I discover new insights. Lines of 3 and 5 get the job done, for sure! I tried my first grand tableau several months ago, and part of me wishes I had started learning with it. It's very cool to see how near and far meanings work, like, how the cards were meant to function at their fullest potential! It took me three days to interpret though...lol... Thanks for the learning tip, too! That sounds fabulous! Honestly have not yet dared to do a GT but I am sure by the end of the course I will and guess I will then feel the same as you like: should have done that from the beginning 😆
Decan Posted January 11, 2022 Posted January 11, 2022 Hello and welcome @frankie I agree that a Grand Tableau is a grande affaire! I'm always a little like someone swimming in the sea (and I go under as well more than I want 😁 ) Otherwise, it's not that usual to use the Thomson Leng Tarot, intriguing, and... congrats to use at times the Belline (I hope the original, with its art a little crude), people abroad don't appreciate it generally.
pacificwaters Posted January 11, 2022 Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Decan said: I agree that a Grand Tableau is a grande affaire! Absolutely yes!! I like the choice of words. I have attempted some GTs in the past, and I somehow currently prefer just3/5 carders only. Being simple is always easy and point on (not that I negate the GT though) Edited January 11, 2022 by pacificwaters
frankie Posted January 11, 2022 Author Posted January 11, 2022 9 hours ago, gregory said: Welcome, frankie If you're with Andy, I'm with you... (not that I'm up to speed on Lenormand yet - not at all !) Thank you so much, @gregory! I'm moving at a snail's pace with Lenormand so I'm happy to be in good company. 😊 Andy is so clear! which is a great motivator for me to keep practicing my skills--I'll get there eventually 😅
frankie Posted January 11, 2022 Author Posted January 11, 2022 5 hours ago, joy said: That sounds fabulous! Honestly have not yet dared to do a GT but I am sure by the end of the course I will and guess I will then feel the same as you like: should have done that from the beginning 😆 I remember laying out a GT when I first got my cards back in 2018, just to see, but was quickly overwhelmed. Not today. 🤣 Probably should have tried again sooner although smaller spreads have helped build my confidence, and sometimes that helps a lot with not getting discouraged. Looking forward to hearing your experiences with the course and the GT!
frankie Posted January 11, 2022 Author Posted January 11, 2022 6 hours ago, Raggydoll said: Welcome, lovely to meet you! Thank you, Raggydoll! Lovely to meet you, too! 😊
frankie Posted January 11, 2022 Author Posted January 11, 2022 5 hours ago, Decan said: Hello and welcome @frankie I agree that a Grand Tableau is a grande affaire! I'm always a little like someone swimming in the sea (and I go under as well more than I want 😁 ) Otherwise, it's not that usual to use the Thomson Leng Tarot, intriguing, and... congrats to use at times the Belline (I hope the original, with its art a little crude), people abroad don't appreciate it generally. Thank you, Decan! Nice to meet you! I like your description about someone swimming in the sea because it totally describes the sensation I get with a GT (aside from the feeling of going under 🤣) like I'm finally understanding the idea of time not being linear. Not sure if I'm making sense, but the different dynamics in our life all swirling and interacting with each other at the very moment we draw the cards. It's cool even if I don't completely get it! My predictions are still all over the place, though, and I have better luck with lines of 3 and 5, and the tirage en croix with answering specific questions, but I plan to try using a GT for similar types of questions and just look at the relevant master cards for an answer. I just need to practice more. I love the Belline! Yes, it's the original, and I find the art charming (all the animals in particular and all the Saturn cards, too 😱😂). I want to spend more time with it for sure and whenever I pick it up, I find it clear and to the point, although that's not to say I'm proficient at it--far from it! I just mainly use the tirage en croix spread during those times when I need an unequivocal answer about fuzzy situations. The Belline has some fantastic "negative" cards, which is the type of warning I need sometimes! Would love to hear about your experiences with it if you would like to share. Thanks again for the welcome!
frankie Posted January 11, 2022 Author Posted January 11, 2022 3 hours ago, pacificwaters said: Absolutely yes!! I like the choice of words. I have attempted some GTs in the past, and I somehow currently prefer just3/5 carders only. Being simple is always easy and point on (not that I negate the GT though) Hi pacificwaters! 3/5 cards are my go-to draws, too, so I get your perspective. Sometimes you just need to know if your package is going to arrive this week, or not 😉
gregory Posted January 11, 2022 Posted January 11, 2022 I once saw Mary Greer lay out a Grand Tableau in a pub. It was - terrifying. (Not her - she's lovely !)
frankie Posted January 12, 2022 Author Posted January 12, 2022 That does sound terrifying 😅 and also amazing and totally inspiring! 😊 I would love to see someone interpret a GT in person. Written instructions on how to read a GT are a hurdle in and of themselves (at least for me), especially knowing the process is fluid in practice--case in point! In a loud place no less! Wow.
gregory Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 I also saw another famous person who shall remain nameless do one. It was not even impressive.
frankie Posted January 12, 2022 Author Posted January 12, 2022 Yikes. No hints? 🙃 Just kidding! Did they each take about the same amount of time? It helps to see examples, good ones, though! I get second-hand embarrassment easily 😆
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