The Fox

[joy]

Hello fellow Lenormand readers, beginners and advanced ones.

How do you read the Fox and why?

 

For me the Fox is mainly about deceit and fraud.

[fire cat pickles]

I use Fox as my "profession card." Some people use it to mean trickery and deception. For me I feel there are plenty other cards in Lenormand to denote this. In my line of work one has to use some wiliness and politics to get ahead so Fox makes perfect sense as an indicator.

 

It's important to choose what the Fox will mean when using Lenormand and stick to it.

 

Edited August 15, 2022 by fire cat pickles

[DanielJUK]

I only sometimes see it as work, maybe because we learnt the basics with Treppner @joy? I see it more as skills or resourcefulness more than work.

I like the adjective attached to it about being cunning. This can be a negative card (fox gets the chickens, deceit, manipulative, a con artist) but also cunning can be good. You can get the advantage of someone, you can be super clever and intelligent, sometimes cunning is needed. Foxes get their kill in a very clever way. I once got this in a reading for a friend who "outsmarted" their awful exploitative boss at work.

There is a caution and danger with this card in certain combinations though, someone trying to take advantage of you! Perhaps it depends if you are the Fox or if the Fox is attacking you 🙂 🦊

[joy]

Thank you @DanielJUK! And the surrounding cards are important too I forgot to mention that.

[Agnes]

I have been thinking of this card in connection with cunning and self preservation, and with regular 9-5 type employment — these are mostly Rana George’s interpretations. I’m still developing my own understanding. Thanks for this thread, @joy!

[Flaxen]

For me, the Fox card comes up in the sense of something being ‘wrong’ or ‘false’ in relation to the cards next to it. Like wrong information, miscommunication, wrong person. 

[joy]

Thanks @Agnes and @Flaxen !

I am following some great readers and one says if you do any layout like a GT or 3x3 and the Fox is the first card it could also mean: wrong question, think about your question again. Depending on all the other cards it is an interesting thought too!

[pacificwaters]

Its funny how the 3x3 readings for me sparked a new thread here. 

 

Sort or reminded me of the story wherein Helen of Troy's beauty launched a thousand ships, and here on TTM, my 3x3 launched a new thread 😉 🙂  (an attempt at wordplay 😉😉 )

 

I just went through Rana George's book. She likens this card to dubiousness, duplicity, deviousness, witty, crafty, etc and also to a job which involves working under someone.

 

The Treppner guidebook associates meanings such as falsehood, deceit, and when it comes to work, it says- Independent works!! Now that's quite some contrary stuff.

 

Lets see how my the 3x3 done for me works out. A clearer picture could emerge. Or it maybe that both the meanings could work based on the system followed

 

 

[joy]

Yes indeed it is funny that your readings made me start this thread @pacificwaters. And I am looking forward to see what really happened in a couple of days and maybe and hopefully it will bring clarity to the Fox. Or at least in those readings. Seems the Fox has quite a bit of a range of interpretations 😂

[joy]

On 8/15/2022 at 5:06 PM, fire cat pickles said:

I use Fox as my "profession card." Some people use it to mean trickery and deception. For me I feel there are plenty other cards in Lenormand to denote this. In my line of work one has to use some wiliness and politics to get ahead so Fox makes perfect sense as an indicator.

 

It's important to choose what the Fox will mean when using Lenormand and stick to it.

 

Oops missed that! Thank you and I agree one has to stick with one option. Either its work or trickery related.

[Krystalida]

Hey @joy!

 

I have found the Fox to signify a clever, or smart approach to something

ALso very interesting, last year I made a 3x3 for a friend who was going the next day with his wife for IVF, 

the reading was very good and they are blessed with twins, so I wondered for the Fox, later I m thinking that probably was the IVF itself, the eggs were given from another woman so it wasn't an actual deception, but it was somehow?! if you understand what I mean 🙂

 

[joy]

How interesting, thanks for sharing @Krystalida and happy for your friend to be blessed with twins! Yeah, the Fox and his many faces! Maybe it also meant a 'clever trick' to get pregnant!

[Krystalida]

2 hours ago, joy said:

How interesting, thanks for sharing @Krystalida and happy for your friend to be blessed with twins! Yeah, the Fox and his many faces! Maybe it also meant a 'clever trick' to get pregnant!

Yes ☺️

 

Indeed! 

I feel that the meanings kind of change due to the New Era we passed now,

Like in Tarot, the Empress used to be marriage or pregnancy for a woman but now points more to a financially independent woman etc 🙂

[joy]

True of course times change, it is not the same as it was a hundred of years ago 🤪

[pacificwaters]

On 10/9/2022 at 8:05 PM, Krystalida said:

Hey @joy!

 

I have found the Fox to signify a clever, or smart approach to something

ALso very interesting, last year I made a 3x3 for a friend who was going the next day with his wife for IVF, 

the reading was very good and they are blessed with twins, so I wondered for the Fox, later I m thinking that probably was the IVF itself, the eggs were given from another woman so it wasn't an actual deception, but it was somehow?! if you understand what I mean 🙂

 

What an absolutely interesting dimension to the Fox card!! New age occult is getting trickier. Somehow i have always felt that Lenormand cards are more about out of the box thinking than maybe Tarot!!

[Krystalida]

22 hours ago, pacificwaters said:

What an absolutely interesting dimension to the Fox card!! New age occult is getting trickier. Somehow i have always felt that Lenormand cards are more about out of the box thinking than maybe Tarot!!

It's yes! 

I also thought this way for Lenormand but as I discover they are also more flexible. 

Like the Coffin I've discovered that is not so deadly, (I will soon post my experience on this) 

Or the Moon is also emotional than professional. 

 

[Rafa]

Usually when I draw the Fox it makes me think of "selfishness" without it being positive or negative. It depends on the surrounding cards.

 

If it's referring to a person, then I'd see them as looking out for themselves or being self-centered.

[Sanchez]

I love the fox! In my reads, it can occasionally indicate self interest to the point of selfishness or manipulative behavior, but it often indicates the need for self care, or the assertiveness and general Sun Tsu thinking you need to approach difficult situations and get your real needs met.

 

For example, I recently had to travel very far for very expensive medical care, and the clinic screwed up, cancelling an essential, life-defining appointment. It took a dozen phone calls that blended genuine pleading with fact-based, grounded self advocacy, but I got my needs met and they rescheduled it for me after about 6 hours of work on my end. So for me, Fox can mean detaching yourself from an important, even stressful situation enough to see all the players, all the pieces, and figure out how to best go about getting what you really, genuinely need. Because often, people won't just help you. I am not at all a bad person, I was getting screwed, and Fox told me to get grounded and use every self advocacy skill I have learned to get those needs met. Which I did! Nothing nefarious about it. 

[joy]

Thank you @cardslinger that is a very useful and interesting insigth!

[Vesta]

For me, the basic meaning of the Fox is WRONG.  Someone is manipulating you to serve their own purposes, an apparently good situation is not what it seems and nothing should be taken at face value.  The card that follows the Fox often shows where the deception lies.  I never use it as a work card, in fact I don't see the need to have a designated work card.  The Fox can also symbolize cats and I've had many readings where it did just that.

[joy]

Thanks @Vesta totally agree with you. Lately I have seen the Fox in various readings and that is what it always was: it is not what it seems to be.

[Mister]

11 minutes ago, Vesta said:

For me, the basic meaning of the Fox is WRONG.

Here, it is CAREFUL!

Because of deception/misunderstanding/stratagems put in action (mostly) by others. Put bluntly, careful for what is to come next (next card here).

 

12 minutes ago, Vesta said:

I never use it as a work card, in fact I don't see the need to have a designated work card.

Neither do I.

Still, others do so, and they do it with success.

 

19 minutes ago, Vesta said:

The Fox can also symbolize cats and I've had many readings where it did just that.

👍

 

Over time I have noted that whatever has the most impact on the wielder of the deck (whyever that may be) is most likely to have just that meaning in his/her hands.

Another example; the dog, to me, is 10 of hearts, which I have as a boon. Hence, the dog does colour the layouts I do in a warm light (= definitely positive).

I have never been bitten by a dog.

I think that someone who learned to associate the 9 of acorns/clovers with day-to-day work might be better off with sticking to what they have ingrained already and develop their own way in handling this particular pack of cards (the lennies of choice).

[amanda414]

The Fox to me symbolizes, like others have said, cunning and 'deceit,' and having the ability to trick someone. Basically, using clever means to 'disguise' something. I usually think of this card as a good card, as opposed to a bad card, unless of course if the Fox represents someone other than the seeker, as others have noted, in which case someone is trying to manipulate them. 

 

But if it's the person doing the reading, I think it's a good card.

[joy]

Thanks @amanda414 that is interesting and will make a note that it is different, if the fox represents me or someone else.

[Chariot]

For those who don't use The Fox to designate 'work' or profession, is there another card that serves this purpose?  I'm just starting with Lenormand, and it's fun ...but I haven't been able to be accurate with it as a predictive tool simply because, for me anyway, the rote meanings are just not always adequate.

Maybe I'm just too tarot-oriented.  I feel like I need more cards!