Translation for I Tarocchi Celtici anywhere?

[PathWalker]

I see that the wonderful I Tarocchi Celtici by Laura Tuan is re-printed. But sadly it seems the book is still only in Italian.

Does anyone know if any enterprising soul has ever translated it in English?

I could do all the keywords from the cards in a translate page, but the book is beyond me. Yet I'm sure it's fascinating. . .

 

In hope

PathWalker

[Bodhiseed]

I have this deck, and the few Babel translations I did weren't that illuminating. 😆 However, this old study group thread might be helpful:

https://www.tarotforum.net/threads/tarocchi-celtici-by-laura-tuan-study-group-index-thread.101782/

 

Here are some of my 'quick reference' notes (the Twos through Kings repeat the same ogham, which is why they are blank):

 

Tarocchi Celtici by Laura Tuan

Beige Cards/Majors
Green Cards/Air       Yellow Cards/Fire
Pale Rust Cards/Earth        Blue Cards/Water

1. (Magician) Lug/Lugh –  “flashing light,”sky god assoc. w/ warriors, storms, crafts and skills, truth     and oaths, Lughnasadh 
2. (High Priestess) Morrigan – “Great Queen,” assoc. w/ foretelling fate, sovereignty, crows 
3. (Empress) Brigantia/Brigit – “Exalted One” assoc. w/ spring, fertility, smith-craft, poetry
4. (Emperor) Amatheon – god of agriculture, “ploughman/laborer” 
5. (Hierophant) Esus/Hesus – triad god (drowned sacrifices), assoc. w/ woodmen, cranes, bulls
6. (Lovers) Nemetona – “She of the Sacred Grove,” guardian goddess, paired with Loucetius
7. (Chariot) Teutates/Toutatis – triad god (hanged sacrifices), tribal protector, “tribe” 
8. (Justice) Arduinna – huntress, protector of forests, assoc. w/ boars, “height” 
9. (Hermit) Ogmios – guide of souls (psychopomp), god of eloquence and persuasion 
10. (Wheel of Fortune) Dagda – “the good god,” father of gods, assoc. w/knowledge, Cauldron of     Bounty, Harp of the Seasons and the Club that Slays and Revives 
11. (Strength) Smertrios – god of war, “provider” or “purveyor,” depicted holding a snake
12. (Hanged Man) Gwydion – trickster, “born of trees,” enchanter
13. (Death) Sucellos/Sucellus – “the good striker,” assoc. w/ large mallet and barrel, agriculture, wine
14. (Temperance) Dian Cecht – physician of the gods, healed mortally wounded in wells, “swift     concoction” 
15. (The Devil) Cernunnos – “horned god,” assoc. w/ animals, torcs, sitting cross-legged  
16. (The Tower) Taranis – triad god (burned sacrifices), god of thunder, assoc. w/ solar wheel
17. (The Star) Sirona – “star,” assoc. w/ healing springs, snakes, and eggs 
18. (The Moon) Borvo – god of mineral and hot springs, “boil,” assoc. w/ healing and bubbling water;     also Manannán mac Lir – “son of the sea,” sea god, guardian of the Otherworld
19. (The Sun) Belenus/Belonos – “Fair, Shining One,” sun god, assoc. w/ horse-drawn chariot,     Beltane 
20. (Judgement) Epona – equine goddess, “great mare,” assoc. w/ libation bowl, horses, cornucopia,     bestower of sovereignty in kingship rites
21. (The World) Artio – bear goddess, assoc. w/ hibernation/awakening, transformation 
22. (The Fool) Cú Chulainn - "Culann's hound," Irish hero of mythology, assoc. w/ courage, high     ideals

23. Ace of  Air – Furze – Ohn – Samhain         37. Ace of Fire – Heather – Ura – Imbolc 
24. Two of Air – Birch – Beth                38. Two of Fire
25. Three of Air – Rowan – Luis                39. Three of Fire
26. Four of Air – Ash – Nion                40. Four of Fire
27. Five of Air – Alder – Fearn                41. Five of Fire
28. Six of Air – Willow – Saille                42. Six of Fire
29. Seven of Air – Hawthorne – Huart            43. Seven of Fire
30. Eight of Air – Oak – Druir                44. Eight of Fire
31. Nine of Air – Holly – Tinne                45. Nine of Fire
32. Ten of Air – Hazel – Coll                46. Ten of Fire
33. Page of Air – Blackberry – Muin            47. Page of Fire
34. Knight of Air – Ivy – Gort                48. Knight of Fire
35. Queen of Air – Reed – Ngetal                49. Queen of Fire
36. King of Air – Elder - Ruis                 50. King of Fire

51. Ace of Earth – White Poplar – Eadha – Beltaine     65. Ace of Water – Silver Fir – Ailm – Lammas 
52. Two of Earth                        66. Two of Water
53. Three of Earth                        67. Three of Water
54. Four of Earth                        68. Four of Water
55. Five of Earth                        69. Five of Water
56. Six of Earth                        70. Six of Water
57. Seven of Earth                        71. Seven of Water
58. Eight of Earth                        72. Eight of Water
59. Nine of Earth                        73. Nine of Water
60. Ten of Earth                        74. Ten of Water
61. Page of Earth                        75. Page of Water
62. Knight of Earth                        76. Knight of Water
63. Queen of Earth                        77. Queen of Water
64. King of Earth                        78. King of Water

Beth/Beith – purification              :    Birch – beginning, renewal
Lus/Luis – inspiration        :    Rowan – control, personal power
Fern/Fearn – protection        :     Alder – resistance, defense
Saille/Sail – flexibility        :    Willow – cycles, intuition
Nuin/Nin/Nion – connection    :    Ash – purpose, roots
Huart/Uath/Huath – fear        :    Hawthorne – composure, restraint
Duir/Dair – strength        :     Oak – stability, durability
Tinne – mastery            :    Holly – energy, intensity
Coll – wisdom            :    Hazel – discovery, justice
Ceirt – misfortune            :    Apple – choice, well-being
Muin – communication        :     Vine – celebration, harvest
Gort – growth            :    Ivy – cooperation, patience
Ngetal/Ngeadal – healing        :    Reed – harmony, home/family
Straif – transformation        :    Blackthorn – illumination, challenge
Ruis – passion            :    Elder – sacrifice, respect
Ailm – inception/origin        :    White Fir – clarity, far sight
Ohn/Onn – movement        :    Gorse – resourcefulness, independence
Ura/Ur – death/ending        :    Heather – courage, confidence
Eadhadh/Edad/Eadha –        :      Poplar – liberation, determination
   discernment
Iodhadh/Idad – memory        :    Yew – passage, change    

Rune keywords:  Ogam by Erynn Rowan Laurie
    

 

[ilweran]

I translated the whole of the book for le Tarot aux Ramures Etranges using the Google translate app - you can translate pages using your phone's camera. You need a fair amount of patience though!

[Bodhiseed]

@ilweran, that sounds like a handy app! 👍

[ilweran]

@Bodhiseed I think it did a reasonable job, I copied and pasted the translated text and printed it out. 

 

For the Tarocchi Celtici, there was a Yahoo group that had translated at just part of the book, but sadly I never got round to saving the translations before they shut Yahoo Groups down.

[PathWalker]

@Bodhiseed thank you     I was aware of the thread on AT - in fact I think I wrote a thank you to Mi-shell on it somewhere LOL, but I'm grateful for your kindness in thinking of it.

I do have meaning lists for the Ogham, but can't really see that some of them bear much resemblance - in term of meaning-  to what I see on the card, not was I convinced (in my foray into google translate) that their meanings were her most prominent thought. Not sure on that?

 

@ilweran sounds great, sadly I do not have a mobile that connects to the internet, only an old flip phone that works like, well, a 'phone LOL   You now what I mean.

 

I will do the keywords, and if anyone is interested I could stick 'em in a study group?

 

Thanks and best wishes

PathWalker

[Bodhiseed]

@PathWalker,when I used the Celtici, I sort of cobbled together my own meaning based on what was on the cards. If you're interested, you can see some here:

https://bythesycamoretree.blogspot.com/2018/10/raising-ruckus.html?m=1

[ilweran]

@PathWalker if I get round to translating it I will share it with you, I was planning on doing it but life intervened as it is wont to do...

[ilweran]

Dug out the book, it is small so will be awkward. Mine is the French version. Here's the first page of the Preface from Google translate:

 

PREFACE

It is true that, from a historical point of view, there is not much left today of the Celtic spirit that the breath of nature and of life continues, however, imperturbably to animate the shadows of the forests, eddies of streams, caves, crevices and gnarled roots.

 

The Celtic universe is enchanted, populated by fantastic creatures more or less benevolent and kind, but always heroic: the old gods, the mythical Tuatha De Danaan defeated by the Milesians and exiled in another dimension, subtle and archaic double of the real world, in constant transformation.

 

Observed through the amazed eyes of a child who has not yet erected the rational barriers that bridle the imagination, each stone, each heap of ivy-covered ruins is instantly transformed into a sumptuous palace where the heroes converse around long sumptuously adorned tables, where the gods fight their battles, where the dead interact with the living. And in the spring, with the resumption of vegetation, they are reincarnated while a tiny and industrious people (nymphs, gnomes, elves, fairies) plot in the midst of the flowers, plotting evil tricks, taking sides for the one to the detriment of the other, in short, weaves the fabric of destiny with the help of an impalpable thread.

 

Before approaching the Celtic tarots, where the gods, the plants, the spirits of nature, the animals, the birds and the symbols are linked together and combine to form a very dense network of shadows and lights, you have to start by cleaning your eyes by washing them with a bucket of milk, like

 

I am considering giving it a go though - as on my previous post I did intend to. It might take a while though!

[PathWalker]

Thank you both very much!

I am sticking the card keywords in google translate right now  . . . . .

 

Here are the first 11 cards

 

 

Lug Magician Mercury Initiative, skill, enthusiasm, progress.  Inability, indecision, violence, imprudence. Damona o Morrigan High Priestess Moon Fertility, patience, fidelity, peace.  Closure, secrets, unreliability, passivity. Brigantia Empress Virgo Clairvoyance, lucidity, study, dynamism.  Vanity, falsehood, lightness, ignorance. Amaethion Emperor Leo Stability, authority, will, pracital sense.  Pride, immaturity, tyranny, selfish. Esus Hierophant Jupiter Benevolance, protection, relief, diplomacy, wisdom. Grudge, backbiting, laziness, intolerance Nemetona Lovers Gemini Falling in love, dedication, altruism, art. Hesitation, frustration, temptations, failure. Teutates Chariot Mars Self control, victory, will, enthusiasm, courage. Efforts, obstacles, ambition, inconclusive. Arduinna Justice Libra Serenity, stability, justice, harmony, prize. Lawsuit, complications, abuse, delays. Ogmios Hermit Saturn Wisdom, depth, eloquence, caution, silence, frugality Inertia, regression, slowness, delay, obstacles. Dagda Wheel of Fortune Neptune Change, announcements, possibility, dynamic. Exaggeration, obstacles, risk, deceit. Smertrios Strength Aries Force, will, resistance, ambition, self contol. Cruelty, selfishness, prevarication, pride, pretense

Edited November 19, 2022 by PathWalker

[PathWalker]

@ilweran Would it be possible to do one of the pip pages? I'd be grateful. I'm trying to see how much the meanings (in the book) relate to either the ogham illustrated, or the element, or traditional pip meanings (if there could be such a thing) - just to get an understanding of how to approach them, with the artist and writers view in mind. Although of course @Bodhiseed is right in that it's what we each see and feel that is really correct when we use them   But I'd like to get  feel for it.

 

many thanks if you can, any one will be do.

 

PW

Edited November 18, 2022 by PathWalker

[ilweran]

No problem, hang on...

[PathWalker]

Gwydion Hanged Man Pisces Adaptability, spirituality, sacrifice, mission, wait Stasis, worry, evidence, boredom, illusions. Sucellos Death Capricorn Destiny, melancholy, esoteric initiation, solitude. Break, painful turn, pessimism, lost, punishment. Diancecht Temperance Aquarius Evolution, tolerance, cooperation, chastity, harmony. Instability, imbalance, whims, coldness, sterility. Cerumno The Devil Scorpio Instinct, magnetism, occult powers, attraction, passion. Upheaval, imbalance, evil, lust, arrogance Taranis The Tower Uranus Change, conflict, change, break, fear. Fall, mistake, defeat, ruin, hate. Sirona The Star Venus Fortune, hope, serenity, optimism, love. Mishaps, frustration, doubts, bad luck. Borvo o Manannan The Moon Cancer Unconscious, fantasy, mediumship, popularity, femininity, childhood. Restlessness, sadness, prejudices, laziness. Belenos The Sun Sun Heat, affection, happiness, cheerfulness, fortune. Darkness, disharmony, bad luck, lies. Epona Judgement Sagittarius Change, evolution, success, conquest, healing. Uncertainty, disappointment, frustration, crisis. Artio The World Taurus Fullness, perfection, climax, reward, happiness. Fear, imperfection, obstacles, greed. Cuchulainn The Fool Pluto Fury, heroism, enthusiasm, impulsivity, independence. Empty, chaos, immaturity, inconsistency, excesses, exhibitionism.

Edited November 19, 2022 by PathWalker

[ilweran]

Info on the minors -

 

THE MINOR ARCANA

The fifty-six minor arcana, perhaps less dense on a symbolic level, turn out to be very close to the magical atmosphere of the forest which the Celts considered to be a great open-air temple, consecrated by the divinities of the nature themselves.

 

In the Celtic world, plants are assimilated to living beings who act, speak, listen and go so far as to fight for the freedom of their land. Instead of ten numbers plus four figures, multiplied by four suits (diamonds, hearts, spades and clubs), in the Celtic game as in the traditional game, the minor arcana consist of four plants (corresponding to the four aces classic cards), plus thirteen others which are repeated four times and are distinguished only by the color of the background. The description begins with four plants: broom, heather, poplar and pine, each of which relates to one of the four main Celtic festivals: Imbolc, Beltaine, Lammas and Sam hain, which respectively open the door to the four seasons: spring (early February), summer (early May), autumn (early August) and winter (early November).

 

Then come the maps of the thirteen other plants, the same ones which, according to the account of the bard O'Flaerty reported by Robert Graves in The White Goddess, punctuate the thirteen lunations of the year, concentrating and projecting their characteristics onto the events and people born during their period of influence. Their background color coincides with each of the four seasons of the year, the four cosmic elements (earth, air, water, fire) and the spirits of nature (gnomes, sylphs, undines and salamanders) associated with them. Regardless of their position in the Celtic calendar, we thus have a birch tree in spring (linked to air), summer (linked to fire). fall (bound to the earth) and winter (bound to the water). The same goes for mountain ash, ash, elderberry, oak, etc.

 

As with the major arcana, the minor cards have a number (in Arabic numerals, this time).

 

The numbering begins with the opening card of spring: Broom (number 23), followed by the plants (from Birch, number 24, to Elderberry, number 36) of the phase in question. Then we continue with Bruyère (number 37), starting point of the summer period: the plants then reappear successively in summer dress (still from Birch, this time number 38, to Elderberry, number 50). The White Poplar (number 51) launches the autumn season (from Birch, number 52, to Elderberry, number 64), and the Silver Pine (number 65), the winter season (from Birch, number 66, to Elderberry, number 78).

 

In addition to this number, the Minor Arcana are marked (on the right, in the frame) with the letter of the Celtic alphabet to which the plant refers. By their very definition, the Minor Arcana aret he auxiliaries of the major arcana (charged with the energy, dormant but still alive, of the divine figures which are represented there), because just as in the traditional games, they specify and explain in detail what the latter have sketched with great features. In order not to complicate the reading, at least at the beginning, we can very well let them rest in their case since even when the game provides for them, they are simply content to provide some details.

Edited November 18, 2022 by ilweran

[ilweran]

GENET: OHN

It is the flower of spring, yellow like the sun, which gradually regains vigor after the winter weakness. Thanks to the magical power of their pointed ends, which dissipate negative energy fields, the long spines of the broom hunt witches, of which Caillach is the most influential. According to legend, it is precisely during the spring festival of Imbolc that Caillach, the bad weather, is transformed into the splendid Brigit, patroness of poetry and prophetic art.

 

Deities: sylphs.

The color: green.

 

The map

The plant that hunts witches with its long defensive thorns is associated here with the robin, emblem of the progression of light to the detriment of darkness. The fire and the candle perform the same function, encouraging the resumption of the Spring Sun after the restrictions of winter. In addition, the celebration of Imbolc, which takes place at the same time as Candlemas and the feast, at the beginning of February, of Saint Brigid (as by chance patroness of dairymen), coincides with the birth and nursing of lambs. , an omnipresent symbol of sweetness, hope and renewal. Note the flute, symbol of the wind and the fertility of spring, also mischievously evoked by the ringing of the bells that adorn the elf's hat.

 

Keywords: momentum, explosiveness, beauty.

 

Upright: capacity, determination, desire to

change, desire to engage in a more independent and creative profession; risky but successful efforts; dismissal followed by a new hiring.

 

Reversed: intolerance of routine, suppressed momentum, aggressiveness, discontent; troubles in the professional environment, conflicts with a boss, demands for autonomy; criticism, dismissal; unexpressed creative force, studies unsatisfactory or faced with too much haste; travel hazards.

 

The time: spring.

 

The advice: release the brakes on your mind and let the force of emotion flow through you.

[PathWalker]

Blimey! I'm going to have to think about that LOL

Many thanks - I'm winding up for now, but will post the rest of the major card keywords tomorrow when my eyesight is better   Making an excel spreadsheet for myself, so I can add on all sorts of other info as it comes.

Bless you for doing this

PathWalker

Edited November 18, 2022 by PathWalker

[ilweran]

I think it will make more sense when I've done the whole book...

[PathWalker]

Hmm. So actually once you get beneath all the lovely pictures and plant map stuff, you've got something recognizable as an Ace of Swords definition? Or is it just me?

Interesting.

Certainly the intuitive approach of @Bodhiseed and @Mi-Shell is more lyrical and picturesque, and encourages one to research the plants, symbols, goddesses and gods and so on. Then you have a more layered set of possible meanings.

 

But then it says things like "release the brakes on your mind and let the force of emotion flow through you. " which to me would be much more water than air? 

 

 * I guess I was thinking it would all make deep mystical sense LOL

But maybe, like lots of other decks we love, we'd just read the book, go "Oh that's really  interesting" and then read it how it appeals to us? 

 

 

Edited November 18, 2022 by PathWalker

[ilweran]

Well there is always the hope that there will be some amazing new insight! I do like to be able to browse the book that comes with decks though, so I will continue to translate pages when I have a free few minutes, I'm half way through the mythology section.

[PathWalker]

I have used google translate to give the keywords from the majors, from Italian to English, I apologise if any of them don't seem correct to Italian speakers - do please let me know and I can correct

 

If anyone is interested and would like to explore the minors, translate the keywords from the cards and so on, then perhaps we could make a study group to go further.

 

Best wishes

PathWalker

[DanielJUK]

We can get a I Tarocchi Celtici study group created for you in that section if you like @PathWalker, please let me know if it would useful and I will put in a request.

Also if you want it, what do you want it called, just this name of the deck? 🙂

[PathWalker]

1 hour ago, DanielJUK said:

We can get a I Tarocchi Celtici study group created for you in that section if you like @PathWalker, please let me know if it would useful and I will put in a request.

Also if you want it, what do you want it called, just this name of the deck? 🙂

Thank you Daniel, not sure if there's a call for it right now to be honest. I have had the decks for years, and not used it, but the reprint sent me searching for an English translation. I can study at home no problem, was just happy to share if there was any other interest, you know?

 

I'll let you know, many thanks

PW

[DanielJUK]

no worries, you are more than welcome to discuss it and list the translations here. If more people are interested in a study area for the deck we can always make one in future 🙂

enjoy learning this deck