FindYourSovereignty Posted February 9 Posted February 9 Here is the complete link for anyone interested https://www.tarotforum.net/threads/books-vs-no-books.89767/
gregory Posted February 9 Posted February 9 49 minutes ago, Barleywine said: Unfortunately I got a 404-Not Found error when I tried to open the link. Do you think you could summarize? I also don't see why a study group is necessary unless we expand it into a range of similar reading techniques. I don't think too much about how and why it flows, I just do it. Maybe we could call it the "rhythm method;" I tend to see waves and cross-currents in the interaction of the cards in a reading. (But I draw my inspiration from the Lenormand Grand Tableau, which I think of as showing "ripples on a pond" between the various topic hubs.) Sorry - I seem to have cut a bit off. The rhythm method rather smacks of Roman Catholic contraception....
Barleywine Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) 58 minutes ago, FindYourSovereignty said: Here is the complete link for anyone interested https://www.tarotforum.net/threads/books-vs-no-books.89767/ Thanks for this. I haven't absorbed 17 pages of posts quite yet, but I particularly like the exchange between Scion and Umbrae, and Splungeman answered my question: "glorp" seems to be an invented catch-all term for an anti-intellectual (i.e. non-rational) phenomenon that is not unlike but not exactly like intuition or psychism (mainly because so many people take issue with the word "intuition," as do I). The stated premise seems to be that reading tarot books interferes with the "glorp flow." I used to be a "book guy" myself, but not for several decades now; the only one I still open for reference with any regularity is the Book of Thoth because it's a bottomless well (or pit, take your pick) of information for the esoteric reader. I still read tarot books, of course, but mainly as something to occupy my brain while on my treadmill in the morning, then I take anything I sifted out of them and go write blog posts about it. I think the best book I've read about the Medieval roots of the Western tarot is not even a tarot book, it's The Discarded Image by C.S. Lewis, a cultural history of the thought-patterns of the Middle Ages. But I do agree that the whole "book/no book" argument partakes of a "false schism." Edited February 9 by Barleywine
Barleywine Posted February 9 Posted February 9 25 minutes ago, gregory said: Sorry - I seem to have cut a bit off. The rhythm method rather smacks of Roman Catholic contraception.... Of course the sly reference was entirely intentional, even though having nothing to do with my point.
fire cat pickles Posted February 9 Posted February 9 Maybe not a study group, but a spin-off thread to delve more into the glorp method. It is too involved for this thread, although it does fit into @Troll's fifth question "What is the best advice for a secular beginner" (sort of). Maybe not the best advice, but good advice none the less. A quick google search tells us that Splungeman is actually the inventor of the word "glorp:" "I use a term I made up called "Glorp" to refer to whatever it is that gives us our information. Some don't like to use "intuition", so that was my solution." I think its better to post Splugeman's original thread, Some thoughts on reading... in the Adeclectic Tarot Thread Revival and we can continue the discussion there.
katrinka Posted February 9 Posted February 9 34 minutes ago, FindYourSovereignty said: Here is the complete link for anyone interested https://www.tarotforum.net/threads/books-vs-no-books.89767/ Ah, that was when "books are bad!" was trending. Of course Sturgeon's Law is relevant, but willful ignorance is never a good thing. Reading GOOD books is vital. Avoiding them won't make you more "intuitive" or "psychic." That right brain-left brain stuff has been thoroughly debunked. Angeles Arrien thought Crowley was icky so she avoided reading him and ended up writing a horrifically stupid book about the Thoth. 24 minutes ago, gregory said: The rhythm method rather smacks of Roman Catholic contraception.... That was my first thought. (And "ripples on a pond" sounds like a personal quirk.)
Barleywine Posted February 9 Posted February 9 12 minutes ago, katrinka said: (And "ripples on a pond" sounds like a personal quirk.) And what is wrong with personal quirks? Besides, this one is just another way of explaining the Bjorn Meuris approach to "near/far" interaction between topic hubs (which I didn't know about when I came up with it during my time as Aeclectic Tarot's Lenormand/TdM mod).
gregory Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) 19 minutes ago, fire cat pickles said: Maybe not a study group, but a spin-off thread to delve more into the glorp method. It is too involved for this thread, although it does fit into @Troll's fifth question "What is the best advice for a secular beginner" (sort of). Maybe not the best advice, but good advice none the less. OK - a study group is not my thing; I read using the method that I use and which is mine*, and what it is too, to paraphrase Ann Elk (Miss) on her theory on dinosaurs *well technically Simone taught me to use it, but.... 19 minutes ago, fire cat pickles said: A quick google search tells us that Splungeman is actually the inventor of the word "glorp:" "I use a term I made up called "Glorp" to refer to whatever it is that gives us our information. Some don't like to use "intuition", so that was my solution." I think its better to post Splugeman's original thread, Some thoughts on reading... in the Adeclectic Tarot Thread Revival and we can continue the discussion there. Fair enough - FM certainnly implied she had coined it,. Either way it works for me and I'm sticking with it. 19 minutes ago, katrinka said: Ah, that was when "books are bad!" was trending. Of course Sturgeon's Law is relevant, but willful ignorance is never a good thing. Reading GOOD books is vital. Avoiding them won't make you more "intuitive" or "psychic." That right brain-left brain stuff has been thoroughly debunked. Angeles Arrien thought Crowley was icky so she avoided reading him and ended up writing a horrifically stupid book about the Thoth. Yes indeed. It is quite exceptionally bad. 1 minute ago, Barleywine said: And what is wrong with personal quirks? Nothing - so what have you against my calling my style the glorpish method ? Edited February 9 by gregory
Barleywine Posted February 9 Posted February 9 3 minutes ago, gregory said: Nothing - so what have you against my calling my style the glorpish method ? I wasn't aware that I came across as personal. Splungeman's explanation cleared it up for me. (And I appreciate the Monty Python reference; I've always been a huge fan.)
DanielJUK Posted February 9 Posted February 9 We are going off-topic with this thread and it's starting to get personal and argumentative. I just wanted to remind everyone of the first rule of the forum (here) is to respect one another. We don't have to agree with everything somebody says, but please be respectful in your replies. We are a supportive family here and want to hear what everyone has to say. Secondly, moderating decisions made back on Aeclectic, have nothing to do with us here. We were not party to the decisions made and it's not fair to name past moderators when they don't get to share their side and perspective. This has nothing to do with us here and relates to events that happened over ten years ago. I've removed some of the posts about this as it's off-topic We are going off-topic, so let's get back to @Troll's last question asked..... 19)I was reading and my reading would make sense only if last card would be queen ,because queen is patience ,and yes last card I drew was queen .Not the first time it happened ,but it is cool thing . Does it happen often to you pro`s ?Knowing what the next card will be ? There is a split off thread from Firecat if you want to discuss intuition / "glorp" -
JoyousGirl Posted February 10 Posted February 10 1 hour ago, DanielJUK said: 19)I was reading and my reading would make sense only if last card would be queen ,because queen is patience ,and yes last card I drew was queen .Not the first time it happened ,but it is cool thing . Does it happen often to you pro`s ?Knowing what the next card will be ? Well I wouldn't say one card would make more sense than another in a reading, but the answer to a question I have asked will often come to me while shuffling, before I've even laid anything down. Sometimes I get the card I think will come out, but not always. I wonder if this might be a guide to pay attention to your gut, too? You knew the answer somewhere inside you already, but maybe doubted yourself or wanted confirmation.
Troll Posted February 11 Author Posted February 11 On 2/10/2025 at 3:36 AM, JoyousGirl said: Well I wouldn't say one card would make more sense than another in a reading, but the answer to a question I have asked will often come to me while shuffling, before I've even laid anything down. Sometimes I get the card I think will come out, but not always. I wonder if this might be a guide to pay attention to your gut, too? You knew the answer somewhere inside you already, but maybe doubted yourself or wanted confirmation. Yes this resonates with me very well .I almost always know the answer instantly when I grab deck ,because my subconsciousness have all the answers I need and deck is just the service provider ,that helps systematize my thinking and get these answers out
Troll Posted July 8 Author Posted July 8 20) I want to buy second deck, it needs to be mini one ,but there is no mini Mary El-Tarot . I would love to buy Dreams of Gaia Tarot but can it be read as Marseille as I do with Mary El? I am asking because it seems to have super different structure. Thanks
Natural Mystic Guide Posted July 9 Posted July 9 10 hours ago, Troll said: I would love to buy Dreams of Gaia Tarot After looking at pictures and maybe a video of Dreams of Gaia Tarot, I was really won over by the beautiful art. So I bought it on a recent trip to Singapore. When I opened up the box and started reading the book and looking at the cards, I was extremely disappointed. The basic structure of Tarot was very changed... so I would answer 'No' to your question. This deck is purely its own thing and because of its major modifications to basic Tarot structure it will not adapt easily for use with other systems. I was so disappointed that I left the brand new boxed set in the library of my boutique hotel in Singapore. It was useless to me. Not a good choice for a second deck, either.
Chariot Posted July 9 Posted July 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, Natural Mystic Guide said: After looking at pictures and maybe a video of Dreams of Gaia Tarot, I was really won over by the beautiful art. So I bought it on a recent trip to Singapore. When I opened up the box and started reading the book and looking at the cards, I was extremely disappointed. The basic structure of Tarot was very changed... so I would answer 'No' to your question. This deck is purely its own thing and because of its major modifications to basic Tarot structure it will not adapt easily for use with other systems. I was so disappointed that I left the brand new boxed set in the library of my boutique hotel in Singapore. It was useless to me. Not a good choice for a second deck, either. I took a look at this deck on YouTube, and agree. In fact, I'm surprised it calls itself a tarot deck at all. It seems more suited to being used as an oracle deck. While the first 20+ cards looked interesting (with keywords) I found my interest started to pall after that. It was just face after face ...and most of them didn't give a clue as to meanings. It is a pretty deck, though. I can see the initial attraction. But no. I wouldn't use it. For me, a good deck focuses on the meaning of the cards, depicting a personality type or situation that embodies whatever the deck designer think the cards mean. To me, this deck seems to just be artwork—and somewhat same-y artwork as well. Thank goodness for YouTube flip-throughs that show all the cards! It's a good way to make an initial decision about whether a deck will work for you, as an individual, or not. Edited July 9 by Chariot
DanielJUK Posted July 9 Posted July 9 You might want to post in the Tarot Decks section @Troll with a thread about what you like in decks and art and I am sure the members can give you new recommendations or decks like decks you have, that sort of thing.
Troll Posted July 9 Author Posted July 9 11 hours ago, Natural Mystic Guide said: After looking at pictures and maybe a video of Dreams of Gaia Tarot, I was really won over by the beautiful art. So I bought it on a recent trip to Singapore. When I opened up the box and started reading the book and looking at the cards, I was extremely disappointed. The basic structure of Tarot was very changed... so I would answer 'No' to your question. This deck is purely its own thing and because of its major modifications to basic Tarot structure it will not adapt easily for use with other systems. I was so disappointed that I left the brand new boxed set in the library of my boutique hotel in Singapore. It was useless to me. Not a good choice for a second deck, either. Thank you, you helped a lot
Troll Posted July 9 Author Posted July 9 9 hours ago, Chariot said: I took a look at this deck on YouTube, and agree. In fact, I'm surprised it calls itself a tarot deck at all. It seems more suited to being used as an oracle deck. While the first 20+ cards looked interesting (with keywords) I found my interest started to pall after that. It was just face after face ...and most of them didn't give a clue as to meanings. It is a pretty deck, though. I can see the initial attraction. But no. I wouldn't use it. For me, a good deck focuses on the meaning of the cards, depicting a personality type or situation that embodies whatever the deck designer think the cards mean. To me, this deck seems to just be artwork—and somewhat same-y artwork as well. Thank goodness for YouTube flip-throughs that show all the cards! It's a good way to make an initial decision about whether a deck will work for you, as an individual, or not. Fantastic deep analysis, so it looks like a no-go
Troll Posted July 9 Author Posted July 9 3 hours ago, DanielJUK said: You might want to post in the Tarot Decks section @Troll with a thread about what you like in decks and art and I am sure the members can give you new recommendations or decks like decks you have, that sort of thing. I have issue with that ,because I am such a perfectionist that even looking for TWO years, I couldn't find my first deck. I just got lucky that local shop offered bundle Mary El and I ching dead moon for 70-80 euros. I couldn`t pass on that DEAL ,but Mary El working for me like it does is pure luck
Troll Posted Sunday at 09:40 PM Author Posted Sunday at 09:40 PM 21) I have found a deck I really like but it is Toth tarot . can I read it like regular Tarot ? I am big of Pitsi so can I still read Rorigh Tarot in that way?
DanielJUK Posted Monday at 10:22 AM Posted Monday at 10:22 AM You can read a deck in whatever way that works for you 🙂 However I bought a deck some years ago which is Thoth style (but not fully Thoth) and read it firstly with RWS ideas (I know my Thoth friends were glaring at me through the screen ). It worked but it worked better when I learnt the basic Thoth idea about each card. You don't have to go into the rabbit hole which is so much study but a basic understanding of that system did help me reading with it. Many people just read each card when it comes up, so if you get the deck, just spend time studying each card. Possibly looking at the card image will lead you to more Thothy ideas about the meaning of the card. Reading each deck is different anyway as the art will be different. Think of it as a new study project, learning each card, it might be similar to Pitsi or it might have a whole new idea.
Scandinavianhermit Posted Monday at 01:29 PM Posted Monday at 01:29 PM 3 hours ago, DanielJUK said: Many people just read each card when it comes up, so if you get the deck, just spend time studying each card. Possibly looking at the card image will lead you to more Thothy ideas about the meaning of the card. Reading each deck is different anyway as the art will be different. Think of it as a new study project, learning each card, it might be similar to Pitsi or it might have a whole new idea. This is general good advice about all decks! This is how I familiarised myself with Dame Fortune's Wheel and CBD Marseille. You are good at expressing things briefly, @DanielJUK! I'm not. 15 hours ago, Troll said: I am big of Pitsi Do you mean Vincent Pitisci?
Troll Posted Monday at 05:41 PM Author Posted Monday at 05:41 PM 7 hours ago, DanielJUK said: You can read a deck in whatever way that works for you 🙂 However I bought a deck some years ago which is Thoth style (but not fully Thoth) and read it firstly with RWS ideas (I know my Thoth friends were glaring at me through the screen ). It worked but it worked better when I learnt the basic Thoth idea about each card. You don't have to go into the rabbit hole which is so much study but a basic understanding of that system did help me reading with it. Many people just read each card when it comes up, so if you get the deck, just spend time studying each card. Possibly looking at the card image will lead you to more Thothy ideas about the meaning of the card. Reading each deck is different anyway as the art will be different. Think of it as a new study project, learning each card, it might be similar to Pitsi or it might have a whole new idea. Great insight . My plan is to have one deck for each Tarot style that`s the only reason how I can explain to myself buying new decks And for Toth only Rorigh makes me warm and fuzzy 4 hours ago, Scandinavianhermit said: This is general good advice about all decks! This is how I familiarised myself with Dame Fortune's Wheel and CBD Marseille. You are good at expressing things briefly, @DanielJUK! I'm not. Do you mean Vincent Pitisci? Yes I do ,I absolutely love him ,so sad he passed .But the way he saw Tarot and reading resonates with me 1000 %
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