Few question from complete novice

[FindYourSovereignty]

Here is the complete link for anyone interested https://www.tarotforum.net/threads/books-vs-no-books.89767/

[gregory]

49 minutes ago, Barleywine said:

Unfortunately I got a 404-Not Found error when I tried to open the link. Do you think you could summarize? I also don't see why a study group is necessary unless we expand it into a range of similar reading techniques. I don't think too much about how and why it flows, I just do it. Maybe we could call it the "rhythm method;" I tend to see waves and cross-currents in the interaction of the cards in a reading. (But I draw my inspiration from the Lenormand Grand Tableau, which I think of as showing "ripples on a pond" between the various topic hubs.)

 

Sorry - I seem to have cut a bit off.

 

The rhythm method rather smacks of Roman Catholic contraception....

[Barleywine]

58 minutes ago, FindYourSovereignty said:

Here is the complete link for anyone interested https://www.tarotforum.net/threads/books-vs-no-books.89767/

Thanks for this. I haven't absorbed 17 pages of posts quite yet, but I particularly like the exchange between Scion and Umbrae, and Splungeman answered my question: "glorp" seems to be an invented catch-all term for an anti-intellectual (i.e. non-rational) phenomenon that is not unlike but not exactly like intuition or psychism (mainly because so many people take issue with the word "intuition," as do I). The stated premise seems to be that reading tarot books interferes with the "glorp flow." I used to be a "book guy" myself, but not for several decades now; the only one I still open for reference with any regularity is the Book of Thoth because it's a bottomless well (or pit, take your pick) of information for the esoteric reader. I still read tarot books, of course, but mainly as something to occupy my brain while on my treadmill in the morning, then I take anything I sifted out of them and go write blog posts about it. I think the best book I've read about the Medieval roots of the Western tarot is not even a tarot book, it's The Discarded Image by C.S. Lewis, a cultural history of the thought-patterns of the Middle Ages. But I do agree that the whole "book/no book" argument partakes of a "false schism."

Edited February 9 by Barleywine

[Barleywine]

25 minutes ago, gregory said:

 

Sorry - I seem to have cut a bit off.

 

The rhythm method rather smacks of Roman Catholic contraception....

Of course the sly reference was entirely intentional, even though having nothing to do with my point.

[fire cat pickles]

Maybe not a study group, but a spin-off thread to delve more into the glorp method. It is too involved for this thread, although it does fit into @Troll's fifth question "What is the best advice for a secular beginner" (sort of). Maybe not the best advice, but good advice none the less.

 

A quick google search tells us that Splungeman is actually the inventor of the word "glorp:" "I use a term I made up called "Glorp" to refer to whatever it is that gives us our information. Some don't like to use "intuition", so that was my solution."

 

I think its better to post  Splugeman's original thread, Some thoughts on reading... in the Adeclectic Tarot Thread Revival and we can continue the discussion there. 

[katrinka]

34 minutes ago, FindYourSovereignty said:

Here is the complete link for anyone interested https://www.tarotforum.net/threads/books-vs-no-books.89767/

Ah, that was when "books are bad!" was trending. Of course Sturgeon's Law is relevant, but willful ignorance is never a good thing. Reading GOOD books is vital.  Avoiding them won't make you more "intuitive" or "psychic." That right brain-left brain stuff has been thoroughly debunked. Angeles Arrien thought Crowley was icky so she avoided reading him and ended up writing a horrifically stupid book about the Thoth.

 

24 minutes ago, gregory said:

The rhythm method rather smacks of Roman Catholic contraception....

 

That was my first thought.
(And "ripples on a pond" sounds like a personal quirk.)

 

[fire cat pickles]

(New discussion here so as to not go OT 😉)

 

[Barleywine]

12 minutes ago, katrinka said:

(And "ripples on a pond" sounds like a personal quirk.)

 

And what is wrong with personal quirks? Besides, this one is just another way of explaining the Bjorn Meuris approach to "near/far" interaction between topic hubs (which I didn't know about when I came up with it during my time as Aeclectic Tarot's Lenormand/TdM mod).

 

[gregory]

19 minutes ago, fire cat pickles said:

Maybe not a study group, but a spin-off thread to delve more into the glorp method. It is too involved for this thread, although it does fit into @Troll's fifth question "What is the best advice for a secular beginner" (sort of). Maybe not the best advice, but good advice none the less.

 

OK - a study group is not my thing; I read using the method that I use and which is mine*, and what it is too, to paraphrase  Ann Elk (Miss) on her theory on dinosaurs

 

*well technically Simone taught me to use it, but....

 

19 minutes ago, fire cat pickles said:

 

A quick google search tells us that Splungeman is actually the inventor of the word "glorp:" "I use a term I made up called "Glorp" to refer to whatever it is that gives us our information. Some don't like to use "intuition", so that was my solution."

 

I think its better to post  Splugeman's original thread, Some thoughts on reading... in the Adeclectic Tarot Thread Revival and we can continue the discussion there. 

 

Fair enough - FM certainnly implied she had coined it,. Either way it works for me and I'm sticking with it.

 

19 minutes ago, katrinka said:

Ah, that was when "books are bad!" was trending. Of course Sturgeon's Law is relevant, but willful ignorance is never a good thing. Reading GOOD books is vital.  Avoiding them won't make you more "intuitive" or "psychic." That right brain-left brain stuff has been thoroughly debunked. Angeles Arrien thought Crowley was icky so she avoided reading him and ended up writing a horrifically stupid book about the Thoth.

 

Yes indeed. It is quite exceptionally bad.

 

  

1 minute ago, Barleywine said:

And what is wrong with personal quirks?

 

Nothing - so what have you against my calling my style the glorpish method ?

 

Edited February 9 by gregory

[Barleywine]

3 minutes ago, gregory said:

Nothing - so what have you against my calling my style the glorpish method ?

 

I wasn't aware that I came across as personal. Splungeman's explanation cleared it up for me. (And I appreciate the Monty Python reference; I've always been a huge fan.)

[DanielJUK]

We are going off-topic with this thread and it's starting to get personal and argumentative.

 

I just wanted to remind everyone of the first rule of the forum (here) is to respect one another. We don't have to agree with everything somebody says, but please be respectful in your replies. We are a supportive family here and want to hear what everyone has to say.

 

Secondly, moderating decisions made back on Aeclectic, have nothing to do with us here. We were not party to the decisions made and it's not fair to name past moderators when they don't get to share their side and perspective. This has nothing to do with us here and relates to events that happened over ten years ago. I've removed some of the posts about this as it's off-topic

 

We are going off-topic, so let's get back to @Troll's last question asked.....

 

19)I was reading and my reading would make sense only if last card would be queen ,because queen is patience ,and yes last card I drew was queen .Not the first time it happened ,but it is cool thing . Does it happen often to you pro`s ?Knowing what the next card will be ?

 

 

There is a split off thread from Firecat if you want to discuss intuition / "glorp" -

 

[JoyousGirl]

1 hour ago, DanielJUK said:

19)I was reading and my reading would make sense only if last card would be queen ,because queen is patience ,and yes last card I drew was queen .Not the first time it happened ,but it is cool thing . Does it happen often to you pro`s ?Knowing what the next card will be ?

 

Well I wouldn't say one card would make more sense than another in a reading, but the answer to a question I have asked will often come to me while shuffling, before I've even laid anything down. 

 

Sometimes I get the card I think will come out, but not always. I wonder if this might be a guide to pay attention to your gut, too? You knew the answer somewhere inside you already, but maybe doubted yourself or wanted confirmation. 

 

 

[Troll]

On 2/10/2025 at 3:36 AM, JoyousGirl said:

 

Well I wouldn't say one card would make more sense than another in a reading, but the answer to a question I have asked will often come to me while shuffling, before I've even laid anything down. 

 

Sometimes I get the card I think will come out, but not always. I wonder if this might be a guide to pay attention to your gut, too? You knew the answer somewhere inside you already, but maybe doubted yourself or wanted confirmation. 

 

 

Yes this resonates with me very well .I almost always know the answer instantly when I grab deck ,because my subconsciousness have all the answers I need and deck is just the service provider ,that helps systematize my thinking and get these answers out