let's share our tarot journey! -hello from france

[theholysticvagabond]

Hello tarot lovers, 

 

I'm the holystic vagabond and I'm part of the lucky humans that had tarot entering their lives. 

 

-who would imagine that?-

I was completely CLOSED to any sort of spirituality in the past. Rationality and science were my mantra. 

But for some reasons, tarot chosed me (at least, the feeling i had): I had a spiritual awakening, and many signs showed up that led me to the cards.

Did you experienced something like that too?

 

-like a need-

I spent night and days learning about the interpretation of the cards (and still learning every day). 

But it took me a while to share and "confess" my passion to my surrounding. Especially in my country (france), tarot is not something well received.

Is it the same in your country?

 

Anyway! (i talk too much) 

I'm now reading for myself, for others, and just started recording general tarot reading videos on YT. 

It's an intense journey, and I would love to hear yours !

 

❣️

[stephanelli]

Welcome to the forum @theholysticvagabond!

 

It's sounds like you've had an intense journey with the cards so far.  I hope you will enjoy your time here and continue to learn!

[theholysticvagabond]

17 minutes ago, stephanelli said:

Welcome to the forum @theholysticvagabond!

 

It's sounds like you've had an intense journey with the cards so far.  I hope you will enjoy your time here and continue to learn!

Thank you for your message! 😺

[joy]

Hello @theholysticvagabond welcome to the TT&M Family

[LoveLightPeace]

Hi and welcome to TT&M @theholysticvagabond!

 

Different areas of my country are more open to tarot than others. My area is a little more open to tarot than it used to be, but there are a lot of people that keep their interest in tarot a secret. 😉 

[DanielJUK]

welcome to the forum @theholysticvagabond

 

There are other French members of the forum as well, you are not alone 🙂 I am sorry you are in an area where tarot is not well received or wide spread!

When I came to tarot, I had gone through a really rational and secular period of my life, everything had to have evidence and be backed up but there were loads of weird things happening that just could not be explained in my life. I think I really repressed my subconscious and intuition during this period and learning tarot opened me up so much!

 

Now I try to be a balance between the two, there are both sides of myself! It's good to be both open to what you can't understand and also be sceptical and challenge what you believe. But I have so many things happen with divination that it's changed me as a person 🙂 Being open to whatever happens has been such an interesting journey for me, especially from an inner and spiritual place

[theholysticvagabond]

2 hours ago, joy said:

Hello @theholysticvagabond welcome to the TT&M Family

Thank you ! ✨

1 hour ago, LoveLightPeace said:

Hi and welcome to TT&M @theholysticvagabond!

 

Different areas of my country are more open to tarot than others. My area is a little more open to tarot than it used to be, but there are a lot of people that keep their interest in tarot a secret. 😉 

Hi ! Thanks !

 

I have this feeling too that things are getting better with time and tarot is slowly more accepted ! :)

 

51 minutes ago, DanielJUK said:

welcome to the forum @theholysticvagabond

 

There are other French members of the forum as well, you are not alone 🙂 I am sorry you are in an area where tarot is not well received or wide spread!

When I came to tarot, I had gone through a really rational and secular period of my life, everything had to have evidence and be backed up but there were loads of weird things happening that just could not be explained in my life. I think I really repressed my subconscious and intuition during this period and learning tarot opened me up so much!

 

Now I try to be a balance between the two, there are both sides of myself! It's good to be both open to what you can't understand and also be sceptical and challenge what you believe. But I have so many things happen with divination that it's changed me as a person 🙂 Being open to whatever happens has been such an interesting journey for me, especially from an inner and spiritual place

 Hey! Thank you :)

 

I feel you completely and see a lot of myself in your vision. 
 

Balance is always key, especially because tarot and spirituality can be sometimes tricky or addictive. And only be based on that can be unhealthy.

 

thanks for sharing ur story ! 

[Saturn Celeste]

Hi @theholysticvagabond and welcome to the forum!  I watched your video when you shaved your head and you did a great job!!  I shave my head also, I love the clippers going over my scalp.   I found myself coming to tarot as a need and it has fulfilled it!

[theholysticvagabond]

Hello @Saturn Celeste ! 
 

ohhh ! You’re also in the club, that is nice. 
Shaving my head was one of the best decision of my life, so worth it. 
 

Glad to hear that tarot is also helping you ☺️

 

[Marigold]

9 hours ago, theholysticvagabond said:

Especially in my country (france), tarot is not something well received.

 

That's strange that you say that. The Tarot was more or less invented in France (for divination purposes) and my experience has been that people are very open to it. They may not take it seriously, but the Tarot is not taboo at all. Is it maybe just the people you hang out with or your family that don't like it ? I think the country the least accepting would be the United States, due to the huge amount of evangelists and Christian church goers. I have a friend in the Bible Belt who would not DARE mention her interest in the Tarot, as she would be considered a devil worshiper or something equally nasty.  I've never met anyone in Western Europe who is suspicious of it to the extent of not receiving it. 

 

I'm just over the border in Switzerland, have also lived in France and have family there too. And have taken many courses by French tarologists (notably Georges Colleuil). 

 

En tout cas, bienvenue !!!

 

 

 

 

Edited January 20, 2020 by Marigold

[Mi-Shell]

Hi there! Welcome to TTM!

I am with Marigold here.

My own maternal grandmother used to read Tarot in Paris, Marseilles and Brest in the early 1900!

The circus had sold several acrobat numbers and the Tiger number to the Cirque d' Hivre also known as Winter circus and Elizza had a more permanent bender wagon on the grounds. She improved her French there - she was VERY proud of that. 

[Andy]

13 hours ago, theholysticvagabond said:

Hello tarot lovers, 

 

I'm the holystic vagabond and I'm part of the lucky humans that had tarot entering their lives. 

 

-who would imagine that?-

I was completely CLOSED to any sort of spirituality in the past. Rationality and science were my mantra. 

But for some reasons, tarot chosed me (at least, the feeling i had): I had a spiritual awakening, and many signs showed up that led me to the cards.

Did you experienced something like that too?

 

-like a need-

I spent night and days learning about the interpretation of the cards (and still learning every day). 

But it took me a while to share and "confess" my passion to my surrounding. Especially in my country (france), tarot is not something well received.

Is it the same in your country?

 

Anyway! (i talk too much) 

I'm now reading for myself, for others, and just started recording general tarot reading videos on YT. 

It's an intense journey, and I would love to hear yours !

 

❣️

Hello! 😊 And welcome to the TT&M family! 

[theholysticvagabond]

Hi @Andy, thank you ! 🙂

 

On 1/20/2020 at 7:45 PM, Marigold said:

That's strange that you say that. The Tarot was more or less invented in France (for divination purposes) and my experience has been that people are very open to it. They may not take it seriously, but the Tarot is not taboo at all. Is it maybe just the people you hang out with or your family that don't like it ? I think the country the least accepting would be the United States, due to the huge amount of evangelists and Christian church goers. I have a friend in the Bible Belt who would not DARE mention her interest in the Tarot, as she would be considered a devil worshiper or something equally nasty.  I've never met anyone in Western Europe who is suspicious of it to the extent of not receiving it. 

 

I'm just over the border in Switzerland, have also lived in France and have family there too. And have taken many courses by French tarologists (notably Georges Colleuil). 

 

En tout cas, bienvenue !!!

 

Hello @Marigold, 

 

You're right. I might spoke too fast. I think tarot has a lot of history in France.

 

I was saying that because even though the origin of tarot, in my eyes, France is a country where numbers, statistics, scientific facts are loved. So, things like tarot, astrology or things like that are not considered as serious. I feel in some other countries, spirituality and alternative way of thinking are more accepted and at the core of their culture. 

 

But it's just the way I feel it and maybe yes, I'm not neutral due to the places I live in.

 

For instance, I discover tarot in the United States when I was living there, and I felt more open to talk about it there. So... I guess it really depends on the experience of everyone ! 🙈

 

Thank you for your insight though !

 

On 1/20/2020 at 10:18 PM, Mi-Shell said:

Hi there! Welcome to TTM!

I am with Marigold here.

My own maternal grandmother used to read Tarot in Paris, Marseilles and Brest in the early 1900!

The circus had sold several acrobat numbers and the Tiger number to the Cirque d' Hivre also known as Winter circus and Elizza had a more permanent bender wagon on the grounds. She improved her French there - she was VERY proud of that. 

 

Hi @Mi-Shell, 

 

After reading the post of Marigold, I'm with Marigold too 😂

 

[Marigold]

1 hour ago, theholysticvagabond said:

 

Hello @Marigold, 

 

You're right. I might spoke too fast. I think tarot has a lot of history in France.

 

I was saying that because even though the origin of tarot, in my eyes, France is a country where numbers, statistics, scientific facts are loved. So, things like tarot, astrology or things like that are not considered as serious. I feel in some other countries, spirituality and alternative way of thinking are more accepted and at the core of their culture. 

 

But it's just the way I feel it and maybe yes, I'm not neutral due to the places I live in.

 

For instance, I discover tarot in the United States when I was living there, and I felt more open to talk about it there. So... I guess it really depends on the experience of everyone ! 🙈

 

Thank you for your insight though !

 

 

 

That's also true what you say. Thanks for bringing this up. They love the scientific facts don't they. When it comes to medicine it's extreme to extreme compared to other European countries. The lack of spirituality in France is largely due I think to their history, and the revolution and their fierce allegiance to secularism (laïcité) that results from their history. This is also taken to the extreme when for instance a mother accompanying school kids on a school outing in a spirit of community and solidarity is vilified by wearing an Islamic veil and for 2 weeks the newspapers speak of nothing but this. I felt really sad for that woman. 

 

But there is also the other side. Because France is France and is also full of poetry. And the spirit of Egalité, Fraternité et Liberté is still there, a little confused at the moment. France has inspired the world since forever at certain periods like a beacon in many domains. But they seem to be lost a bit at the moment. That's a page in history. They'll rise up again one day... when they bring back god or whatever one wishes to call it. They've been ignoring it for quite some time and they're in a right mess. 

 

In 1984 the Bibilothèque Nationale organised what must have been a fascinating exhibition entitled "Tarot, jeu et magie". The French are very proud of the Tarot of Marseilles. It's part of their heritage. The tarot as a divination device may be denigrated at times, but the Tarot of Marseilles as a pack of cards is very respected. Also because of the other tarot deck, the playing card one. Tarot in some form of another is sort of in their DNA. 

 

 

Edited January 22, 2020 by Marigold

[DDwarks]

As another Frenchie, I can attest to God/religion being dead in France.

And yes, the revolution has had a lot to do with it. 

The Church and the State are two very separate identities with neither one recognising the other. A church wedding isn't recognised by the state unless the civil ceremony happens too.

There is no religious studies in school, that's what Sunday is for. And even Sunday school is get presents at your communion.

I remember the begining of a spiritual movement in the 80's which quickly died but other than that? Nothing!

I lost my dad last year and was surprised to see a picture of the Buddha in the clinique's corridor! No Jesus or Koran verse, though. It made me chuckle 🙂

I see France as going through an identity crisis it's refusing to acknowledge...yet. 

Stubburness is another one of the cockerel's qualities!

Edited January 22, 2020 by DDwarks

[Marigold]

1 hour ago, DDwarks said:

 

Stubburness is another one of the cockerel's qualities!

Indeed !!

 

But their national anthem is one of the coolest in the world !! The English translation can't do it justice though - especially the "fatherland" which sounds more like Nazi Germany than the French "patrie". The singing of it never ceases to stir me - along with the Russian national anthem which is probably the most beautiful in the whole universe. (I hate patriotism but still, a beautiful anthem is a beautiful anthem).  I mean, how can one not love an anthem that calls you to fight the bloody flag of tyranny until their impure blood should water our fields ! What a treat for the eyes and soul. 

 

Arise, children of the Fatherland
Our day of glory has arrived
Against us the bloody flag of tyranny
is raised; the bloody flag is raised.
Do you hear, in the countryside
The roar of those ferocious soldiers?
They’re coming right into your arms
To cut the throats of your sons, your comrades!

To arms, citizens!
Form your battalions
Let’s march, let’s march
That their impure blood
Should water our fields.

 

 

There are meetings by the government with the Chief Rabbi and the Chief Imam and most likely someone from the Catholic church, but I think this is more a token gesture and I doubt they ask them for spiritual advice but more day to day issues like how to protect their synagogues and mosques and how to fight antisemitism and Muslim haters. They're obviously not helping by forcing mothers to remove their veils . That's not creating any cohesion whatsoever !! 

 

With all the great philosophers and sociologists in France, not only in history but contemporary - it's a pity they do not automatically get seats in the government along with a few spiritual advisers. The French government is more an off-shoot of the ENA and there's no magic at the ENA.

 

As to the marriages, I doubt there are any countries in Europe where church marriages are valid without a civil marriage. It's very much the norm. Maybe not in a country like Poland which is Catholic to their very toenails, but maybe even there this is the case.  I find this normal and very adequate. 

 

 

Edited January 22, 2020 by Marigold

[gregory]

The UK.

 

As the CofE is the established church, vicars can marry people; they are ex officio registrars.

[Marigold]

1 hour ago, gregory said:

The UK.

 

As the CofE is the established church, vicars can marry people; they are ex officio registrars.

Only the CofE  ? Not other faiths like Catholicism or Islam ?

[DDwarks]

I don't know about the Catholic church but Muslim marriage ceremonies aren't recognised by the state.

[Marigold]

If it's only the CoFE it's the same as the state then because of the head of state being the head of the Church of England. So it is a sort of civil-not-civil marriage. A civil marriage with lipstick.

Edited January 22, 2020 by Marigold

[Endy]

Hello and welcome to the forum, fellow tarot lover!!!

[DanielJUK]

I read somewhere once (I don't know if this is true) that in France you have a separate civil / religious marriage, so everyone has a civil ceremony as part of the separation of church and state. They are separate events, everyone has the civil one and then religious people can have the second one in their place of worship. I think I prefer that to here where if you have a Church of England / Wales (the Anglian religions linked to our state and monarchy) Marriage the Vicar can do a combined ceremony all at once, All other religions have to have a registrar attend to register it as a civil marriage or you have a separate civil ceremony.

 

 

[Marigold]

6 minutes ago, DanielJUK said:

I read somewhere once (I don't know if this is true) that in France you have a separate civil / religious marriage, so everyone has a civil ceremony as part of the separation of church and state. They are separate events, everyone has the civil one and then religious people can have the second one in their place of worship. I think I prefer that to here where if you have a Church of England / Wales (the Anglian religions linked to our state and monarchy) Marriage the Vicar can do a combined ceremony all at once, All other religions have to have a registrar attend to register it as a civil marriage or you have a separate civil ceremony.

 

 

Not only in France. All over Europe at least. Anyone can have any religious ceremony that they want, but it's not considered a valid marriage by the state until one goes to the civil registar with two witnesses and sign a paper there. Some people have more elaborate civil ceremonies. I just went in to sign the papers as the law required with two witnesses. The man there tried to, bless his heart. give a little speech, but we said it wasn't necessary. I suppose he also asked us separately if we agreed but I don't remember. 

Edited January 22, 2020 by Marigold

[gregory]

3 hours ago, Marigold said:

Only the CofE  ? Not other faiths like Catholicism or Islam ?

Someone told me it holds up for Jewish marriages but I don't actually know. 

[DDwarks]

6 hours ago, Marigold said:

Indeed !!

 

But their national anthem is one of the coolest in the world !! The English translation can't do it justice though - especially the "fatherland" which sounds more like Nazi Germany than the French "patrie". The singing of it never ceases to stir me - along with the Russian national anthem which is probably the most beautiful in the whole universe. (I hate patriotism but still, a beautiful anthem is a beautiful anthem).  I mean, how can one not love an anthem that calls you to fight the bloody flag of tyranny until their impure blood should water our fields ! What a treat for the eyes and soul. 

 

Arise, children of the Fatherland
Our day of glory has arrived
Against us the bloody flag of tyranny
is raised; the bloody flag is raised.
Do you hear, in the countryside
The roar of those ferocious soldiers?
They’re coming right into your arms
To cut the throats of your sons, your comrades!

To arms, citizens!
Form your battalions
Let’s march, let’s march
That their impure blood
Should water our fields.

 

 

 

 

Not one of the coolest, THE coolest 😎