Lo Scarabeo Anima Antiqua Line

[Czenzi]

1 hour ago, gregory said:

I've had it for years under the name of Ditha Moser (the artist.)

 

https://www.wopc.co.uk/austria/piatnik/jugendstil-tarock

 

It is indeed basically a tarock, first produced in 1906, in aid of a Viennese charity.  The 22 major arcana depict art nouveau scenes of people, animals, places and objects reminiscent of when the artist was a child.   The court cards have an almost stained glass effect, depicting Assyrians, knights, royalty and Egyptians. I have read with tarock decks, but I think you really need a playing card mindset to do them justice. If that makes sense.

Yes, it makes sense. I am interested in cartomancy too, so I may buy it to try it and see if it works for me. 

[HermitWriter]

On 2/13/2020 at 8:24 PM, katrinka said:

The numbering of the pips is curious: Hearts and Diamonds are numbered 1-4, Clubs and Spades are numbered 7-10. I leave you to your own devices here - your guess is as good as mine.

My suspicion is this is because in some tarot game rules, Cups and Coins (or Hearts and Diamonds) rank 1 highest and 10 lowest, while Batons and Swords (Clubs and Spades) rank 10 highest and 1 lowest. Tarock strips the lowest ranking pips out of each suit, bringing the deck to 54 cards, and leaving the cards you've pointed out to remain.

[katrinka]

That makes sense. Thanks!

[Czenzi]

2 hours ago, HermitWriter said:

My suspicion is this is because in some tarot game rules, Cups and Coins (or Hearts and Diamonds) rank 1 highest and 10 lowest, while Batons and Swords (Clubs and Spades) rank 10 highest and 1 lowest. Tarock strips the lowest ranking pips out of each suit, bringing the deck to 54 cards, and leaving the cards you've pointed out to remain.

I think it is interesting how we can get these really game-specific decks that make little sense outside of that context. I found the numbering system odd too, so this helps explain.

By the way @gregory, I ordered the deck and it came in yesterday. I just love the art style. I actually immediately connected to some of the meanings of the deck, so I think I can read with it. But, it is definitely it's own system and since the majors are so...odd...I think it does kind of limit *what* I can read on with it. I hope that makes sense. 

[gregory]

Oh yes - it is very odd. But it isn't that way because of LoS !

[AeonHorus]

I  have this deck. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yesterday I did my first reading with it. 

 

I really like it!

Edited February 25, 2020 by AeonHorus

[gregory]

I am certain sure you do NOT spell Soprafino with two fs. I am now less certain than I was. But I have NEVER seen the deck thus titled. I  have asked Lo Scarabeo. Il Meneghello's has only one, for a start. And Menegazzi was Italian too.

 

https://tarot-heritage.com/2011/10/26/the-soprafino-deck-of-carlo-dellarocca/

Edited March 3, 2020 by gregory

[AeonHorus]

2 hours ago, gregory said:

I am certain sure you do NOT spell Soprafino with two fs.

Sorry..

Not sure I follow ???

[AeonHorus]

Oh haahaha I see it now...

 

This isn't the thread that I started 🤣

[gregory]

On 3/2/2020 at 9:33 PM, gregory said:

I am certain sure you do NOT spell Soprafino with two fs. I am now less certain than I was. But I have NEVER seen the deck thus titled. I  have asked Lo Scarabeo. Il Meneghello's has only one, for a start. And Menegazzi was Italian too.

 

https://tarot-heritage.com/2011/10/26/the-soprafino-deck-of-carlo-dellarocca/

 

I stand hugely corrected:

 

We will call it Sopraffino (2 ff).

It is also called sometimes “soprafino” (1f).

 

The Italian word is with 2 ff.

It is called 1 f because it was sometimes to say “Tarocchi fini // Tarocco fino” at that time to say “high quality”

And this one was ultra quality so it was written “sopra fino” (two dinstinct words), but it was not the title.
It was later Vito Arienti that used those two words to make a title of it (same as Marteau named the Tarocchi Marsigliesi).

But we prefer to use the correct word with 2 ff, as we don’t want to use the two separate words.

 

I have been mightily educated today, and thank them very much.

Edited March 5, 2020 by gregory

[AeonHorus]

14 minutes ago, gregory said:

I stand hugely corrected:

Takes a big man / woman to admit to fault 😉 

 

Hats off to ya 💪

[gregory]

I am a great believer in admitting when I am wrong. (And I actually learned a useful Italian word, so double win !)

 

  I guess you weren't around for the Great Mystic Faeries climb down ! (That wasn't even a factual thing, either.)

 

I never get why I am congratulated for saying I was wrong. To me it's quite important that when I state a wrong fact, others should not continue to believe me and be misled. NOW when people say Oh look LoS got it wrong, we can ALL say no they didn't.

 

But I am big....

[Morsoth]

Thanks for the confirmation for 'Sopraffino' vs 'Soprafino'!

[gregory]

It was a revelation to me !

[Morsoth]

Quick update: The Tarocchino Montieri is now available for pre-order on Amazon.ca (it's not listed on Amazon.com yet) with a Sep 8, 2020 release date: https://www.amazon.ca/Tarocchino-Montieri-Anima-Antiqua-Luigi/dp/0738767301/

 

No entry for the Tarocco Sopraffino, but I'll keep looking! 🙂

[Saturn Celeste]

On 1/29/2020 at 8:02 PM, Morsoth said:

Finally received the last one! The collection, so far:

 

Very impressive Morsoth!! 

[Morsoth]

On 5/28/2020 at 8:15 AM, Saturn Celeste said:

Very impressive Morsoth!! 

Gotta Collect 'Em All! 🤩 🤪

 

Small update: A listing page has been created for the Tarocco Sopraffino on Amazon.ca, but no pre-order yet. The release date is now listed as Feb. 8 2021.

[kudos91]

can anyone who owe a deck from this line please let me know if they varnish the cards? I love my Il meneghello Soprafino a lot but hate the fake stain that they use to make the deck look antique, the nice thing is they don't apply any kind of varnish on the card though

[gregory]

I'd call it a light lamination (the term varnish is not one I would use.) NOT like the Meneghello finish at all. The LoS ones don't as a result look totally antique in finish, only in the artwork. But shiny they are not. Anyone else agree ?

[kudos91]

Thanks @gregory! As i thought they use a matte lamination like most of higher end decks these days. Il Meneghello normally doesn't use lamination on the card ( I doubt they even use playing card stock since the card are very thick and not flexible at all), but they smell soooo good (the best smell of all  so far).

[gregory]

No, I know. I have many Meneghello decks, and these are not like them. But they are rather lovely, just the same. And much easier to use.

[Morsoth]

Like gregory just said, I'll say that the Anima Antiqua line has a very subtle matte finish. I must admit that I prefer Lo Scarabeo's Anima Antiqua card quality over the Il Meneghello ones.

 

However, be aware that the new edition ("Museum Quality") of the Sola Busca is highly laminated:

 

___________ Matte Finish____________ vs ____________ Laminated

 

      

[Morsoth]

Update: Looks like the Tarocco Sopraffino will gets released on (or around) July 8, 2020! It's not listed on Amazon.com yet, but it is on Amazon.ca. 😛

 

 

[gregory]

I have it on the way  Ordered direct from LoS ! And the Montieri. arriving on the 9th !

[Morsoth]

Oh nice! I never bought directly from LoS. On Amazon, the Tarocchino Montieri is only released on September 8, 2020.