Reversals in Thoth readings???

[Misterei]

I've read both Crowley and Du Quette's books. Neither gives reversals the way most RWS books do.

I seldom use reversals even with RWS ... I dislike seeing the artwork upside down. Ditto that for thoth or any deck.

 

That being said ... there are times when I will craft a spread that uses reversals. In that case I would use reversals wirh thoth or any other deck b/c its integral to that spread. Hope this makes sense.

[RunningWild]

Thank you for the images @Wyrdkiss.

 

On 8/30/2023 at 8:43 AM, gregory said:

And I will dig out my trimmed deck later - that's not as easy as taking a book off a shelf.

 

ETA indeed it isn't - as it isn't listed in my catalogue (not being exactly in my collection) I'm not at all sure where I filed it.....

 

I can imagine.  Perhaps now you might catalogue the decks you've trimmed and "blinged" over the years...because you have so much free time.

 

🤣

[Tarotnewbie]

On 8/30/2023 at 8:43 AM, gregory said:

 

OK I'm back. He is very unspecific - most relevant page attached:

 

 

The reversed meanings (actually all the meanings) he gives are almost cursory - most of the book is much more about the symbolism in each card.

 

You could get over to his website and ask:

hermetic.com/osiris/index.htm

 

I haven't the knowledge to ask a sensible question, here.

 

And I will dig out my trimmed deck later - that's not as easy as taking a book off a shelf.

 

ETA indeed it isn't - as it isn't listed in my catalogue (not being exactly in my collection) I'm not at all sure where I filed it.....

Thank you very much for sharing this. I will look into it🙏🏼

[Tarotnewbie]

On 9/2/2023 at 11:35 AM, pacificwaters said:

It’s so wonderful to know that you have started your journey with the Thoth deck. All the very best @Tarotnewbie

 

This deck is in a league of its own. And is much different from the RWS clones. As regarding reversals I absolutely second what @gregory has said. On a personal note I found the Thoth so intimidating that I could never muster the courage to think of even attempting reversals.

 

The post by @Nemia makes a whole lot of sense.The book by DuQuette is a very good reference book. Another book I commonly refer is Qabalastic Tarot by Robert Wang. This is my go to book most of the times. Tabula Mundi makes reading with Thoth a little easier as compared to the traditional Thoth deck imho. I like reading with Tabula Mundi as well as the Liber T deck. Both are Thoth based (more so the former) and good to start with. What helped me gain even more insight was applying astrology to the card meanings and seeing how the particular placements depicted by the cards layered an additional meaning to the message!

Thank you @pacificwaters the more i look into this deck more it has to offer to learn and understand… I don’t know why i was scared to pick this deck up. It is such an amazing deck. Like you i am not getting into reversals… the upright is quite daunting on its own. Thanks for suggesting the reference book. I will look into it when i find time.

[Tarotnewbie]

On 9/2/2023 at 11:25 PM, Misterei said:

I've read both Crowley and Du Quette's books. Neither gives reversals the way most RWS books do.

I seldom use reversals even with RWS ... I dislike seeing the artwork upside down. Ditto that for thoth or any deck.

 

That being said ... there are times when I will craft a spread that uses reversals. In that case I would use reversals wirh thoth or any other deck b/c its integral to that spread. Hope this makes sense.

Thanks for your inputs. It makes a lot of sense and gives me something to ponder about.

[gregory]

On 9/3/2023 at 1:26 PM, RunningWild said:

Thank you for the images @Wyrdkiss.

 

 

I can imagine.  Perhaps now you might catalogue the decks you've trimmed and "blinged" over the years...because you have so much free time.

 

🤣

 

There are exactly two. I know where the other one is.

[Nodogs]

On 8/6/2023 at 6:46 AM, Nemia said:

Look for M.M.Meleen's fantastic deck and book: Tabula Mundi. It's Thoth based and lucid, and for me, it threw new light on the Thoth.

I’m finding a daily card from the Tabula Mundi app very interesting and it helps me to look up the same card in the app for the earlier Rosetta Tarot which looks much more like the Thoth.

 

 

[Guest]

I like how vivid the Rosetta minors are. Sorta reminds me of the Golden Dawn Temple Tarot though the media used are different. 

[pacificwaters]

On 9/8/2023 at 5:55 PM, Serpentwand said:

I’m finding a daily card from the Tabula Mundi app very interesting and it helps me to look up the same card in the app for the earlier Rosetta Tarot which looks much more like the Thoth.

Exactly, I use this app too. The added detailed reference book is amazing!

[Barleywine]

This is one of my favorite topics. There is a strong current of opinion that one MUST NOT read reversals with the Thoth deck. I've read the Book of Thoth four times now, and I don't see where Crowley every mentioned it. Those who think they know say that Elemental Dignities replace reversals, but I personally think they serve two different purposes: EDs affect the potency of the "principal" card (the middle one) while reversals alter the way a card's influence is delivered and received (I like to say it changes the "mode of delivery and angle of attack"). So I don't read reversal as diminishing anything in the way EDs can, just as skewing the perspective so we have to rethink our strategy. I've been reading with reversed cards in the Thoth deck since 1972 and they work just fine as long as that distinction is made. I've also written over a dozen essays on the subject of reversals with both the RWS and the Thoth.

[Misterei]

Many more readers now-a-days read reversals in different styles.

Back in the day I memorized Eden Grays RWS card meanings and reversal meanings straight from the book.

And people might say if it wasn’t in Book of Thoth don’t read reversals.

 

But now its very accepted that people read reversals in their own style … and many who choose not to—even for RWS. 

I like this evolution toward freedom of thought about the topic.

[mountaintop]

On 8/2/2023 at 2:00 PM, Tarotnewbie said:

Hi Everyone,

 

I hope all of you have been doing great. 

 

I got the Thoth deck last year around this time... I have been trying to study the cards and learn the deck well.. the more I learn about Thoth, one thing gets much more clear is that it is a life long study. It blows my mind. I am in absolute awe of this deck!!! I wish I had studied this deck first and then went to RWS... the range this deck offers simply mind boggling.

 

I have looked in a few places but didn't find a satisfactory answer... do we read reversals in Thoth spreads? I know we can take the meanings how they resonate to us while we are making sense of the cards in the spread... but, are there any reverse meaning to these cards at all? 

 

Your answers are highly appreciated. Thank you all very much 🙂 

Thank you for posting this as I have also wondered about this.

[Barleywine]

1 hour ago, mountaintop said:

Thank you for posting this as I have also wondered about this.

 

1 hour ago, mountaintop said:

I have looked in a few places but didn't find a satisfactory answer... do we read reversals in Thoth spreads? I know we can take the meanings how they resonate to us while we are making sense of the cards in the spread... but, are there any reverse meaning to these cards at all? 

If you read Michael Snuffin's Thoth Companion you will find reversed meanings. I don't think much of them since I read reversed cards in my own way.