Minchiate study group

[fire cat pickles]

Welcome to the Minchiate Study Group!

 

Flaxen

PathWalker

luciaeffe

Misterei

Akhilleus

Grizzlykt

 

Please post here if you're interested in learning more about the Minchiate with me. It will be easier in the future in case we want to start a Reading Circle later, and I can PM those who are participating here in the Study Group. This thread will also serve as an Index that I can then update with links as we accumulate more and more study threads.

 

This thread is only for sign-ups and not individual card discussions. Once you start a separate thread on a card of your choice that you would like to discuss, I will link it here. Thanks for joining!

 

Card Study Threads ([For discussions, let's use this deck: Minchiate Images on commons.wikimedia])

0. Il Matto - The Fool

I. Il Bagatto - The Trickster

II. Il Granduca - The Grand Duchess

III. L'Imperatore - The Big Emperor

IV. L'Imperatrice - The Little Emperor

V. L'Amore - Love

VI. La Temperanza - Temperance

VII. La Forza - Fortitude

VIII. La Giustizia - Justice

 

Discussion Threads

 

Reading Threads

Vitali's method or any other spreads with Minchiate

 

Edited March 24, 2023 by fire cat pickles

[Flaxen]

How exciting! I love the Minchiate deck but don’t use it much for readings. 

It will be really interesting to explore more. 

[fire cat pickles]

Cool! I'll add you to the list 🙂 (Just in case you change your mind about reading with us later...)

[PathWalker]

There is a book which accompanied Brian Williams version of the Minchiate - I've found that very helpful

 

This one _ https://www.amazon.co.uk/Minchiate-Tarot-Brian-Williams/dp/0892816511

 

[fire cat pickles]

I love this book and it is very helpful. He put a lot of research into it. From what I remember, it is heavy on research and light on divination. That doesn't mean to say that it isn't without it merits as a divination tool, though!

 

Unfortunately, I gave it away at some point and I need to get it again.

[luciaeffe]

Oh this is interesting. In Italian Minchiate has  a very specific meaning...why this name for this deck?

[fire cat pickles]

From what I've learned, the earlier meaning  of the word "Minchiate" was the "Fool" or "excuse". It refers to the actual game of Minchiate where a maneuver was used to trump all the other cards with the Fool card.

 

Today (400 years later) the actual word "Minchiate" has taken on a completely different meaning, the word has evolved, and is closer to the English equivalent to "dumbass". Your Italian equivalent is much more crude and refers to the other side of the human anatomy if I'm not mistaken 😉 

 

 

Edited August 5, 2021 by fire cat pickles

[Misterei]

Anyone still active on this thread?

I recently got into Minchiate. Wondering how others actually read this deck?

I got the Williams book (great book) ... but his spreads seem like Tarot spreads adapted to Minchiate.

 

I saw a YouTube where Daily Tarot uses the method from Andrea Vitali LWB that comes with the Lo Scarabeo edition ... but sadly that's out of print and now goes for crazy high prices which I don't want to pay just to get an LWB.

 

Basically, in this method (Vitali's I assume) the deck is split into Triunfi, Virtues, Zodiacs, Elements, and Minors. Then a card or cards is drawn from each group to answer a specific type of question.

 

Anyone use this method?

 

Anyone have the Vitali LWB that came with the Lo Scarabeo deck?

Do you use this method or care to elaborate on it?

 

Thanks if anyone can help.

 

[fire cat pickles]

This thread is as active as you want it to be!

 

I use this deck as often as any other of my other decks. It is still my favorite. I haven't used the Vitali method but it looks very interesting.

[Guest]

I have the book though I haven't used it much. This might help, @Misterei and @fire cat pickles :

 

DIVINING SPREAD WITH THE MINCHIATE 

 

This divinatory spread can be useful to start using the Minchiate and exploiting their potential. 

 

First of all, divide the deck into 6 parts:

     • the 22 Traditional Arcana 
     • the 12 Zodiac Arcana 
     • the 4 Theological Virtues 
     • the 4 Elements 
     • the 40 Numerical Cards
     • the 16 Court Cards 

 

Then take the deck of Court Cards and choose a card. The card selected plays the role of Signifier, or the card that represents the Querent and the situation. For selecting this card, the brief scheme below can be used and structured according to the topic. 

 

If the question of the Querent concerns 

     • work: suit of Wands 
     • feelings: suit of Chalice 
     • money: suit of Pentacles
     • something abstract: suit of Swords 

 

If the problem the Querent is dealing with is:

     • about learning: a Knave 
     • about making a choice or courage: a Knight 
     • about a relationship: a Queen 
     • about a decision: a King

 

For example, if the Querent is seeking a job, the Knave of Wands could be the card to choose. This card, once chosen, does not appear in the divinatory spread, but will be very useful for helping the Querent to better understand the setting of his own question and the problem that he is about to face. 

 

Then proceed to draw a card from each deck of the Virtues, the Elements, and the Zodiac Arcana. 

 

The Virtues card indicates a quality of the Querent that can be useful. For example, if Hope is drawn, the Querent must give space to his own optimism, and not be discouraged by difficulties or a failure. 

 

The card of the Elements indicates the attitude the Querent must assume. For example, if the Fire card is drawn, the Querent must be aggresive and passionate; concrete and balanced if instead the Earth card is drawn; emotional and adaptable with Water, and lucid and rational with Air. 

 

The card of the Zodiac Arcana indicates the way in which the outside environment (persons, occasions situations) is influencing the client. Sagittarius, for example, could indicate the presence of hidden opportunities, while Capricorn might suggest physical and material obstacles that can be overcome with perseverance. 

 

Continuing with the reading, 3 cards are drawn from the Traditional Arcana and are interpreted as follows: 

     1. Past: the causes and motives that have led to the current situation 
     2. Present: the current situation 
     3. Future: the most likely development of the current situation 

 

Finally, 3 cards are drawn from the Numerical Cards deck. These give an idea of the positivity or negativity of the situation and of how it is evolving 

     • 3 cards of the same suit: depending on which suit, indicates strong positivity or negativity
     • 2 cards of one suit and 1 card of another: depending on the suits drawn, a situation that is evolving from a condition represented by the suit with 2 cards towards a different one, represented by the suit of the third card (for example, if there are two cards with Wands and one with Pentacles, it is a problematic situation that is becoming a happy one) 
     • cards of different suits: a confused situation with both positive and negative aspects. 
 

[Misterei]

5 hours ago, Akhilleus said:

I have the book though I haven't used it much. This might help, @Misterei and @fire cat pickles :

DIVINING SPREAD WITH THE MINCHIATE

This divinatory spread can be useful to start using the Minchiate and exploiting their potential.

Thank you so much for sharing this! Really appreciate it. I'm going to cut and paste into my notes.

[Guest]

You're welcome, @Misterei. By the way, would you still be interested in studying the Minchiate? 

[Misterei]

1 hour ago, Akhilleus said:

You're welcome, @Misterei. By the way, would you still be interested in studying the Minchiate? 

Yes. Maybe a study buddy to post minchiate spreads on this thread and look at each other's spreads or similar. What do you have in mind?

[Guest]

I was thinking of continuing with the other cards in this study group. The previous discussions only got as far as La Ruota della Fortuna. Would love to finish all of them. But I guess that might not be what you had in mind. 

[Misterei]

1 hour ago, Akhilleus said:

I was thinking of continuing with the other cards in this study group. The previous discussions only got as far as La Ruota della Fortuna. Would love to finish all of them. But I guess that might not be what you had in mind. 

I'm open to try different things. Can you link me to where the old posts are? So I can see what was happening?

I do see some links at the top of this thread ... but they don't appear to have got to La Ruota ... ?

Edited November 7, 2022 by Misterei

[Guest]

Check out the main Minchiate study group folder HERE.

[DanielJUK]

If you guys create threads / discussions for the missing Minchiate cards in this subsection, we can add them to this index here for people using this section in future.

[fire cat pickles]

16 hours ago, Akhilleus said:

I was thinking of continuing with the other cards in this study group. The previous discussions only got as far as La Ruota della Fortuna. Would love to finish all of them. But I guess that might not be what you had in mind. 

Please do! Also, the other cards weren't really discussed. I opened the threads hoping to begin discussions, but no one really continued from there. Feel free to add to them.

[fire cat pickles]

14 hours ago, Misterei said:

I'm open to try different things. Can you link me to where the old posts are? So I can see what was happening?

I do see some links at the top of this thread ... but they don't appear to have got to La Ruota ... ?

  I see where the confusion was. I have updated the OP with the links to our current threads.

 

Anyone can start new threads to the cards that haven't been started yet. We are on X. Il Carro - The Chariot. (Here is a link to the wikipedia page where I got the images from, in case anyone is interested.)

 

 

Edited November 7, 2022 by fire cat pickles

[Misterei]

On 11/7/2022 at 11:04 AM, fire cat pickles said:

 Anyone can start new threads to the cards that haven't been started yet. We are on X. Il Carro - The Chariot. (Here is a link to the wikipedia page where I got the images from, in case anyone is interested.)

I'm more of a learn by doing type ... so not ready to start posting or commenting on the card threads. I'm still too ignorant of the system.

Question: is it appropriate for this thread to do Minchiate reading with the Andrea Vitali method that Akhilleus posted? And post it here with interpretation?
Or would this have to go in one of the other topics?

[fire cat pickles]

On 5/3/2019 at 7:17 AM, fire cat pickles said:

This thread will also serve as an Index that I can then update with links as we accumulate more and more study threads.

This thread is only for sign-ups and not individual card discussions.

 

I think when I originally created this post I wanted to reserve it as an index for topics, readings, discussions, etc. that people could come back to as a resource. If you don't mind.

 

4 minutes ago, Misterei said:

I'm more of a learn by doing type ... so not ready to start posting or commenting on the card threads. I'm still too ignorant of the system.

Question: is it appropriate for this thread to do Minchiate reading with the Andrea Vitali method that Akhilleus posted? And post it here with interpretation?
Or would this have to go in one of the other topics?

 

So, with that in mind, can you start a separate thread with the Vitali method and then I can link it here in the OP?

[Guest]

Thanks @fire cat pickles and @DanielJUK. I'll 100% be continuing this study group, I'll just be lining up my resources and finishing some commitments to better focus on it. Will be doing around 2-3 cards a week. 

 

I can't match firecat's insights and depth of experience but I'll try to make up for it by providing a plethora of possible meanings from diverse sources. 

[Misterei]

On 11/8/2022 at 12:12 PM, fire cat pickles said:

So, with that in mind, can you start a separate thread with the Vitali method and then I can link it here in the OP?

OK I created a different thread/topic.

Hopefully this is what you meant?

[fire cat pickles]

5 hours ago, Misterei said:

OK I created a different thread/topic.

Hopefully this is what you meant?

Yes, I updated the OP with a link, thank you. 

[fire cat pickles]

@GrizzlyKt I've added you to the list here as well. Let me know when you've gotten your deck!