Learning Tdm (Resources And Discussions)

[Raggydoll]

1 minute ago, gregory said:

gregory doesn't, but gregory will rootle... 🙂 Does anyone have the original address of her website ?

Me thinks I had it once but cannot find it now. Me also thinks that perhaps @katrinka has it. 

[gregory]

See above.... And I have to go to the dentist.

 

OOH but pickles uploaded her files on AT:

 

http://tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=4715978&postcount=10

Edited December 11, 2019 by gregory

[Raggydoll]

5 minutes ago, gregory said:

See above.... And I have to go to the dentist.

 

OOH but pickles uploaded her files on AT:

 

http://tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=4715978&postcount=10

Yes he certainly did ☺️ And if we haven't linked it over in the playing cards forum then we probably should do so. 

[katrinka]

On 12/10/2019 at 5:26 AM, Marigold said:

If people copied my posts or writing verbatim and said they were there "own" personally I wouldn't bat an eyelid. As long as the ideas are getting OUT there, who cares in what form they are. Like the study I'm wanting to initiate on another forum... if someone goes peeking and then goes and copies my posts to put over here... well that's just fine and dandy. No need to even mention my name. 

You do you. But I feel the need to mention here that most of us do NOT feel this way. You might even be completely unique in this aspect.

We invest decades studying and practicing with the cards. Then we write about it, we try to find the right words to communicate clearly and effectively, we format it, upload images, add links and citations - all of this is work. To have someone claim it as their own in order to create a false reputation as a knowledgeable reader is galling. Especially when it's something you generously wrote on your blog so the information would be available to people free of charge.

Blogs generally have "Share" buttons for sharing someone else's post on your own blog. This creates a "pingback", which is a post with the introductory text and a link back to the original blog page. Copypasting someone else's writing without attribution, robbing them of blog traffic and potential income from readings, is disgusting - even moreso when they could have made a pingback by simply clicking a button. Going through the trouble of copypasting is proof that their intentions were bad.

And for some reason, the so-called "spiritual" community is the most sticky-fingered. Seriously, I've seen more thievery of card and occult themed writings than I have of ANY other subject. Check out this page https://www.facebook.com/pagansagainstplagiarism/

and this group https://www.facebook.com/groups/pagansagainstplagiarism/
Pirated books, plagiarized websites, so many that you can never get to the end of them.
Even your local library might be affected. Ours has a very limited selection of Tarot books, usually only one or two, if any. I asked them about that. They told me that people usually steal them as soon as they get them.

Even if we are not published authors, what we write is protected by the DMCA. I've sent out MANY Cease and Desist letters. People will steal literally anything you write. I've not only had blog posts stolen, I've had forum posts and my old ad blurb from Keen plagiarized. The thief didn't even know enough about the cards to write their own ad blurb. And I sent a letter to every one of the people and either got it taken down, or got them to put my name on it with a link to the source.

 

I posted a Cease and Desist right in a woman's blog comments once. She deleted it, of course - but she also took my content down. Mission accomplished. And I hope her followers saw it before she deleted it.

These people need to be named and shamed. When a know-nothing uses your writing to make themselves look competent, it makes all readers look like pretenders.

Quoting PART of something, with attribution, is fine and is covered by Fair Use.
Sharing something with permission and attribution is also OK.
Copypasting someone's writings to a document for your eyes only is OK, too. Just keep it as part of your private notes and don't share it with anyone.

If someone is not available to grant you permission, you don't have permission. I had a friend come back online after an extended absence and apparently some buzzards out there had presumed she was dead and reposted things from her blog as their own. Disgusting.

I remember when Kapherus wrote a PDF on playing card reading, that he let everyone download for free. And he gave us all permission to share it, as long as he got attribution. It was very generous on his part, He isn't a wealthy person and he could have easily gotten some income from it instead of giving it away. But no good deed goes unpunished. Some lop of **** uploaded it to their facebook group files with Kaph's name deleted and their own name on it.

Things like this have happened to all of us, and if you put things online, it will happen to you, too. So bookmark this https://fennario.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/attn-bloggers/

 

OK, off rant now. Back to the subject at hand.

 

Edited December 12, 2019 by katrinka

[katrinka]

16 hours ago, Raggydoll said:

Me thinks I had it once but cannot find it now. Me also thinks that perhaps @katrinka has it. 

Oops, I missed this. Apologies.

Just type "hedgewytchery.com" into the Wayback Machine and it comes right up: https://web.archive.org/web/20071031235233/http://www.hedgewytchery.com/cartomancy.html

 

No need to share files. 😉

[Marigold]

4 hours ago, katrinka said:

You do you. But I feel the need to mention here that most of us do NOT feel this way. You might even be completely unique in this aspect.

Yes, it's rather unusual I know. I've had lots of debates and even arguments with friends who are artists on this subject. I ask them are they doing art for the sake of art, or for their own glory ? Reminds me of a comrade in the animal rights movement who berated me once by asking "are you serving the cause here or is the cause serving you ?"

 

When it comes to ideas, I think they should not be copyrighted. They should go be free to fly. If they get perverted, the seeds will be sown on barren soil and won't come to much anyway.

 

But I recognise that this is not something very common. 

 

[devin]

I've said before how I'm a fan of Michael S Howard's blogs (bar his penchant for Gnosticism). Here are some good ones. Some of the below is posted as a reminder to myself to give certain pieces a more in-depth reading.

 

The Tarot Trumps, Some History, from Christian Beginnings to the Esotericists and C. G. Jung

 

Cartomancy from Lot-Books to Etteilla

 

Etteilla's Trumps as Interpreted by him and his followers: pictures, translations, commentary

 

Etteilla's Third Cahier and Supplements: Translation & Commentary

 

Binary Patterns in Games and Divination Tools

 

22 Invocations of Dionysus: The Esoteric Tarot Before 1781

 

Alain Bougearel's "tarot arithmologique du nombre pentagonal 22 = 1+4+7+10"

 

Michael Dummett's "Il Mondo e l'Angelo": translations and commentary

 

The Astral Journey of the Soul

 

Yummy.

Edited December 12, 2019 by devin

[katrinka]

2 hours ago, Marigold said:

Yes, it's rather unusual I know. I've had lots of debates and even arguments with friends who are artists on this subject. I ask them are they doing art for the sake of art, or for their own glory ?

Professional artists are plying a trade. Just like any other kind of work. You wouldn't expect the plumber to fix your pipes free, "for the sake of plumbing."

The idea that people in certain professions don't deserve to be compensated, but should do it "for the sake of art"...ugh. Artists are not slaves.

[Marigold]

That's what my artist friends tell me too. I tell them I never said they shouldn't earn their daily living through their art. And that they deserve to reap rewards. I do have an unusual view on copyright and private property and things. So let's just say I'm weird. 

Edited December 12, 2019 by Marigold

[gregory]

2 minutes ago, Marigold said:

That's what my artist friends tell me too. I tell them I never said they shouldn't earn their daily living through their art. I do have an unusual view on copyright and private property and things. So let's just say I'm weird. 

But why should someone else who does nothing earn THEIR living through someone else's work. Adam McLean had to stop doing his on line courses, some of which he charged for, because people were running off copies and selling them on ebay for less than he charged. It's a shame; I had hoped to do some that I never ever got to.

[Marigold]

Just now, gregory said:

But why should someone else who does nothing earn THEIR living through someone else's work. 

Yes. That's what Karl Marx said too. I like Karl Marx. He's one of my heroes. 

[Raggydoll]

15 minutes ago, Marigold said:

That's what my artist friends tell me too. I tell them I never said they shouldn't earn their daily living through their art. And that they deserve to reap rewards. I do have an unusual view on copyright and private property and things. So let's just say I'm weird. 

You are fully entitled to your personal opinions regarding copyright, ownership etc. and you can certainly discuss this topic if you like - just not in the thread that's dedicated to TdM 😉

[Raggydoll]

1 hour ago, devin said:

I've said before how I'm a fan of Michael S Howard's blogs (bar his penchant for Gnosticism). Here are some good ones. Some of the below is posted as a reminder to myself to give certain pieces a more in-depth reading.

 

The Tarot Trumps, Some History, from Christian Beginnings to the Esotericists and C. G. Jung

 

Cartomancy from Lot-Books to Etteilla

 

Etteilla's Trumps as Interpreted by him and his followers: pictures, translations, commentary

 

Etteilla's Third Cahier and Supplements: Translation & Commentary

 

Binary Patterns in Games and Divination Tools

 

22 Invocations of Dionysus: The Esoteric Tarot Before 1781

 

Alain Bougearel's "tarot arithmologique du nombre pentagonal 22 = 1+4+7+10"

 

Michael Dummett's "Il Mondo e l'Angelo": translations and commentary

 

The Astral Journey of the Soul

 

Yummy.

 

Yummy indeed!

[Raggydoll]

Oh look what the postwoman just delivered!! Its the Mamanmiyuki tarot !! And as promised, I am featuring a comparison between this deck, the Pierre de Madenie (2012 edition) and the mini ancien tarot de marseille.

 

 

As you can tell, the Mamanmiyuiki is slightly bigger than the mini ancien, but both are significantly smaller than the more standard sized Madenie. 

 

Lets compare the cards:

 

 

I really like the look of the Mamanmiyuki. The colors, the soft renderings of the faces... and I am thrilled to not have to see a stark white background! The size is adorable but also very workable (I am biased though, because I love small decks). 

 

Lets look at some more cards because...well.. you all want to, right?

 

 

(Sorry that the images are a bit blurry. I blame lack of daylight, crappy phone camera and caffeine-shaky hands, but you still get the picture, I hope!)

 

 

 

I really, really like this deck. In fact, it might just become my new favorite. Thank you so so much my dear friend @Flaxen for recommending it to me. You do know me very well 

 

[katrinka]

*sighs* It's beautiful.

[Raggydoll]

12 minutes ago, katrinka said:

*sighs* It's beautiful.

Yes it is, isn't it?! And the shipping was free, world wide...... ☺️

 

Here, have a direct link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/mamanmiyuki-Tarot-tarot-mini-size-japan/dp/B00EUC0AQ8

 

 

 

[gregory]

katrinka - this is one purchase you will never regret...

[katrinka]

26 minutes ago, Raggydoll said:

Here, have a direct link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/mamanmiyuki-Tarot-tarot-mini-size-japan/dp/B00EUC0AQ8

 

 

The little man in the cape WINS. LOL.
One left! I hope it's not gone before payday!

[Flaxen]

So glad you love it @Raggydoll! It’s one on my favourites, so much so that it’s one of the few I have a backup for. 

[Raggydoll]

41 minutes ago, katrinka said:

The little man in the cape WINS. LOL.
One left! I hope it's not gone before payday!

Don't worry, it said one left when I purchased too, and then it was one left again. And I just purchased a back up, and there is still one left. I believe they list it that way so that they won't have to ship multiple decks for free shipping. It makes sense because then they would lose money on heavy packages. So I think you can safely wait until payday. But NOT any longer than that, or I will start PMing you devil gifs all day long.... 😁

 

[Raggydoll]

So, still reading Camelia Elias book “Marseille tarot - Towards the art of reading”. I am enjoying it. In the early chapters she comments on an article written by a tarot historian:

 

 

 

I think she makes a good point.

 

Another feature in her book that I enjoy is the “Public life” description of the majors. Like here, for the Papesse:

 

 

The one thing I do not get though, is how the Papesse both ‘confirms  pregnancy’ and indicates ‘infertility’? Is it the old legend of Pope Joan? Looking at the card I do however see where a UTI could be implied. Or perhaps constipation ☺️. 

 

[Guest]

The public-life definitions do contain some creative definitions - I remember Dracula featuring somewhere.

 

Dr. Elias appropriates Colette Silvestre’s health associations. Silvestre derives these - or at least justifies - from planetary correspondences. La papesse is associated with Saturn and the Moon and Virgo.

 

Silvestre notes the card ”...predisposes to all genital and urinary diseases and weakness often linked to female cycles with all the little discomforts these can cause. Irritation, itching, fungi or small infections may disturb the genital or urinary tract.”

 

In Le Tarot Qui Guérit Silvestre also talks about the legs and sitting which I remember features obliquely in Dr Elias’ text.

 

Of course, as Dr. Elias dismissed the astrological correspondences she is unable to make direct connections and explanations. This is noticeable in le pape and l’amoureux. Like Dr. Elias I don’t like astrology in my cards, to be honest. Personally, I associate la Papesse with the throat and issues therein. But there is a logic to Silvestre’s. 

Edited December 13, 2019 by Guest

[Raggydoll]

This morning my 3,5 year old son was looking at my tarot shelves when he suddenly exclaimed “Mommy! You have a book about PIRATES!!!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You should have seen the excitement 😛

 

And yes. I can sort of see the resemblance 😊

 

 

And by the way, this is the new edition of Ben-Dov’s “Tarot - the Open reading”. They just changed the title (plus I believe it now has full color pictures). I have the old version too but it’s full of highlights and notes so I purchased a fresh copy on sale. But now I’m thinking I totally don’t need two. Oh well, that’s rather off topic 😆

[katrinka]

LOL. The Bateleur kind of IS a pirate. He just loots using sleight of hand rather than brute force.
The boy might be on to something.

[devin]

19 hours ago, Raggydoll said:

“Mommy! You have a book about PIRATES!!!"

I love this. The kid'll go far, for sure.

 

The Bateleur always reminds me of a pool/snooker shark I used to know. He put himself through college hustling and had an impeccable sense of timing - knowing when to push his luck and when to make a quick exit. On a good night, he came away with some cash. If it was a bad night, and things went wrong, all he got for his efforts was a black eye and bruised ribs. Ah, fate, a fickle mistress.

 

Of course, there is a difference between the pirates of old and their modern incarnation, the shyster. With pirates of old, what you see is what you get. With shysters, appearances can be deceiving.

 

Here's a good song on the subject of pirates: