This is the DE-ENABLE thread concerning buying and reading of tarot.

[Nisaba]

On 7/20/2021 at 1:14 AM, gregory said:

Yes , I KNOW. I only need 10. But, um, I have an ISSUE here....

 

Still, I have de-enabled my own self from several on line just this week. I'm getting better.

Tell me! Tell me!

 

I need to build up the corner of my collection that consists of Decks Gregory Doesn't Have.

 

Or rather, considering the nature of the thread, de-enable me on the decks you de-enabled yourself on! 

[gregory]

Here's one for you: 

 

https://tarotarts.com/collections/tarot-decks-and-kits/products/the-new-chapter-tarot-by-kathryn-briggs

 

I stumbled up on it and the artwork was beyond unappealing for me. I know it is terribly terribly diverse and all that - but a deck has to be appealing as well.

 

Also you are fairly safe with KS decks from the US, as the postage etc makes them unaffordable. But that being what de-enabled me might not count ?

[Therese]

I'd like to get a de-enabling for the Spacious Tarot, if possible. 

[vulprix]

45 minutes ago, Therese said:

I'd like to get a de-enabling for the Spacious Tarot, if possible. 

I actually need this de-enabling as well!

[Therese]

23 minutes ago, vulprix said:

I actually need this de-enabling as well!

 

Haha, I really do understand. 🙂 It is so tempting.

Edited September 30, 2021 by Therese

[Decan]

« Our pleasure to displease » on the De-Enable thread like already said it another member 🙂

 

I took a look at this Spacious Tarot…

Hmm, indeed, I can see the spacious side, no human being at all and a sort of minimalism.

Actually this reminds me a bit the minors in the Pagan Otherworlds Tarot, and I expected much of this one in the past, but it’s one of the decks I own that stayed silent, and I even would say « cold » (but elegant I recognize).
So « spacious » yes maybe, but possibly distant, difficult to connect with, or… EMPTY… 😞

You see, like a friend you want to call because you need their advice but there is just this unreachable spaciousness… freaky somehow finally 💀

Edited September 30, 2021 by Decan

[fire cat pickles]

It reminds me of an art project that turned into a tarot project. After the fact they said, "Hmmm let's name it the Spacious Tarot. Yeah, that sounds about right."

 

 

Edited September 30, 2021 by fire cat pickles

[Decan]

I was on my phone when I posted my comment above, but looking at the cards on the laptop, I still have an impression of "trendy minimalism".

I hope there is a consistent guidebook with it because there are some choices I don't understand, like a poppy for the Emperor (it's a little weird).

Most of the symbols that make "a reading deck" seem removed, not sure that won't impact a reading in a negative way.

 

[Therese]

Thank you, dear people! It becomes better with my desire for this deck. (Hope, it is the same for you, @vulprix !)

 

"Trendy minimalism" did it for me, good job @Decan ! And I really feel the emptiness. 

 

I never had to fight that hard to not buy a deck. 

 

I had to laugh so hard, @TheThumbPuppy, "There's no way I'd ever fit into there.  🧐". 

 

Indeed for me there is a kind of emptiness in the Pagan Otherworlds too, which brings me in a distance, so maybe we really have similar tastes, Decan. 

 

 

 

 

[Raggydoll]

8 hours ago, TheThumbPuppy said:

I was kind of taken aback by the picture of the box with the ominous inscription "This space is for you" on the inside of the lid. There's no way I'd ever fit into there.  🧐

😂 I don’t appreciate it when people try to force fit me into anything. Particularly not a small box! Sounds very unhealthy 😁

 

 

[Raggydoll]

7 hours ago, Therese said:

Thank you, dear people! It becomes better with my desire for this deck. (Hope, it is the same for you, @vulprix !)

 

"Trendy minimalism" did it for me, good job @Decan ! And I really feel the emptiness. 

 

I never had to fight that hard to not buy a deck. 

 

I had to laugh so hard, @TheThumbPuppy, "There's no way I'd ever fit into there.  🧐". 

 

Indeed for me there is a kind of emptiness in the Pagan Otherworlds too, which brings me in a distance, so maybe we really have similar tastes, Decan. 

 

 

 

 

The pagan otherworlds failed me too. I just couldn’t get excited about using it and the mega slippery cardstock bugged me so much. I sold mine a couple of years ago and have never regretted it. 

[Decan]

13 minutes ago, Raggydoll said:

😂 I don’t appreciate it when people try to force fit me into anything. Particularly not a small box! Sounds very unhealthy 😁

 

 

Hmm… that’s a devilish influence when someone is using this sort of unhealthy trick to force you to buy a deck.

I would run away far from this deck!! 

[katrinka]

8 hours ago, Decan said:

I was on my phone when I posted my comment above, but looking at the cards on the laptop, I still have an impression of "trendy minimalism".

I hope there is a consistent guidebook with it because there are some choices I don't understand, like a poppy for the Emperor (it's a little weird).

Most of the symbols that make "a reading deck" seem removed, not sure that won't impact a reading in a negative way.

 

 

Well, poppies are where heroin comes from, right? And if you fall into doing THAT on the regular, the poppies will run your life like an Emperor and...oh, never mind. Too much of a stretch.
Unless it's a street drug themed deck. Is there also a crack card? A meth card? Or one for huffing spray paint? 🤣

 

18 minutes ago, TheThumbPuppy said:

On that subject, I couldn't help myself. I just had to share Bettina and the white box

 

Patsy is someone who has probably seen entirely too many of these silly decks. Sometimes I think I would like to join her and transform my liver into something resembling a large, smelly cheese.

 

[Raggydoll]

9 hours ago, Decan said:

I was on my phone when I posted my comment above, but looking at the cards on the laptop, I still have an impression of "trendy minimalism".

I hope there is a consistent guidebook with it because there are some choices I don't understand, like a poppy for the Emperor (it's a little weird).

Most of the symbols that make "a reading deck" seem removed, not sure that won't impact a reading in a negative way.

 

I wonder if it’s the size of the poppy in the front..  one poppy to rule them all? 😁

[vulprix]

14 hours ago, Therese said:

Thank you, dear people! It becomes better with my desire for this deck. (Hope, it is the same for you, @vulprix !)

 

"Trendy minimalism" did it for me, good job @Decan ! And I really feel the emptiness. 

 

I never had to fight that hard to not buy a deck. 

 

I had to laugh so hard, @TheThumbPuppy, "There's no way I'd ever fit into there.  🧐". 

 

Indeed for me there is a kind of emptiness in the Pagan Otherworlds too, which brings me in a distance, so maybe we really have similar tastes, Decan. 

 

 

 

 

I do feel very satisfied with everyone’s accomplished de-enabling efforts 😊

[Therese]

It is so exhilarating to read your comments. 😂

[Rupicapra]

I am often a bit late to the party, I never bought a Bohemian Gothic, only once they were sold out I figured I might quite like one. Yesterday, I got an email in my inbox, Babastudios releasing a few more leftover decks for sale to the public - Yay/1 Or so I thought. Turned out that really, I can't afford/justify the price hike.  They wrote that basically because of the decks are being sold on eBay and else for lots of money, they reflect this on the new pricing. A 3rd edition regular as well as a 2nd edition mini are now for sale (with a slightly scuffed box mind) for GBP 148!!! That is around 203 USD and 175 Euros. Seriously???

I mean, I really don't need that much disabling here, I feel more like ranting. They also announced that they are thinking of reprinting, but because everything is slowed down these days, this might not be until 2023. 

But anyway - I'm pissed off that they upped the price so horrendously. Feel free to rant with me people, it'll make me feel a bit better 🙂 

[Decan]

33 minutes ago, Rupicapra said:

A 3rd edition regular as well as a 2nd edition mini are now for sale (with a slightly scuffed box mind) for GBP 148!!! That is around 203 USD and 175 Euros. Seriously???

I paid around 39 GPB for the 3rd edition standard and 44 GBP for the mini, and don't use any of them on a regular basis. I think this will be enough to de-enable you, no? 🙂

Edited October 23, 2021 by Decan
I edited to give you the price in GBP since I remember you live in the UK

[DanielJUK]

34 minutes ago, Rupicapra said:

I am often a bit late to the party, I never bought a Bohemian Gothic, only once they were sold out I figured I might quite like one. Yesterday, I got an email in my inbox, Babastudios releasing a few more leftover decks for sale to the public - Yay/1 Or so I thought. Turned out that really, I can't afford/justify the price hike.  They wrote that basically because of the decks are being sold on eBay and else for lots of money, they reflect this on the new pricing. A 3rd edition regular as well as a 2nd edition mini are now for sale (with a slightly scuffed box mind) for GBP 148!!! That is around 203 USD and 175 Euros. Seriously???

I mean, I really don't need that much disabling here, I feel more like ranting. They also announced that they are thinking of reprinting, but because everything is slowed down these days, this might not be until 2023. 

But anyway - I'm pissed off that they upped the price so horrendously. Feel free to rant with me people, it'll make me feel a bit better 🙂 

 

I bet if you keep looking around you will get it cheaper one day. Keep your eyes peeled and watch out for the trading section here and on ebay and you might be able to snap up a good deal, don't fall for their increased prices! Every time I have set out an intention for a deck, it comes my way at some point for a not insane price but you have to be patient and be in it for the long wait.

Also just recreate the Bohemian Gothic in your own life for a much cheaper price 😉 We are fast moving back to the Victorian times in this country and just read some Mary Shelley in the living room by candle light! 🤣

[midrena]

2 hours ago, Rupicapra said:

 Yesterday, I got an email in my inbox, Babastudios releasing a few more leftover decks for sale to the public - Yay/1 Or so I thought. Turned out that really, I can't afford/justify the price hike.  They wrote that basically because of the decks are being sold on eBay and else for lots of money, they reflect this on the new pricing. A 3rd edition regular as well as a 2nd edition mini are now for sale (with a slightly scuffed box mind) for GBP 148!!! That is around 203 USD and 175 Euros. Seriously???

 

 

Oh, I got the same crashing disappointment. I'm waiting for the reprint anyway but thought "oh hey I could grab one of these as well since they said they were changing the cards so much" but lol I saw the price and was like uh nope. And even just those  moments of being stunned, it was already sold out when I refreshed the page so I wouldn't have been able to get it anyway even if I wanted 😄

 

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So I would like some de-enabling, please!

 

A local shop has Blood Moon Tarot and the Botan Tarot in stock right now and I'm feeling a huge urge to get them, especially the Botan Tarot. Mostly because I'm of the same Asian ethnicity and because these are like, the last ones in print (the deck also is the version with indigo edges). But man, it's priced at 79 euro (92 USD), plus the zine/booklet with the extra info is an addition 15 euro (18 USD). The artwork in some of the cards looks rushed/unfinished (the non-court Minor Arcana ones), while the Majors are basically just portraits. But I still feel this urge to get the deck 😞 I feel like I want the deck not just because I want it but because FOMO too (the creator said in the future they'll have another edition with tweaks etc.).

 

The Blood Moon Tarot ... the borders are a turn off but I still also want it.

 

EDIT: forgot to put a link for easy access to see the art.  https://littleredtarot.com/product/botan-tarot/ This isn't the local shop for me but they have better photos.

 

Edited October 23, 2021 by midrena

[Raggydoll]

I have the original and mini bohemian, third edition. I almost never use them. I haven’t decided if I want to keep them or not. I would not consider it a ‘must have’ deck. And that price is way too high for a deck that you’ll likely just use on a few occasions - if at all! 

[Decan]

23 minutes ago, midrena said:

So I would like some de-enabling, please!

 

A local shop has the Blood Moon Tarot and the Botan Tarot in stock right now and I'm feeling a huge urge to get them, especially the Botan Tarot. Mostly because I'm of the same Asian ethnicity and because these are like, the last ones in print (the deck also is the version with indigo edges). But man, it's priced at 79 euro (92 USD), plus the zine/booklet with the extra info is an addition 15 euro (18 USD). The artwork in some of the cards looks rushed/unfinished (the non-court Minor Arcana ones) and I don't know if I like that it's basically just portraits. But I still feel this urge to get the deck 😞 I feel like I want the deck not just because I want it but because FOMO too (the creator said in the future they'll have another edition with tweaks etc.).

 

The Blood Moon Tarot ... the borders are a turn off but I still also want it.

 

I need some de-enabling, please tell me how ridiculous I am!

I took a glance at the Blood Moon Tarot online. That's fine that you said that "the borders are a turn off" because it's indeed something I noticed myself. The feel will be likely very artificial and otherwise I'm a bit afraid that for this one they ruined the traditional symbolism, it looks a fancy deck very commercial.

 

And the Botan Tarot! I looked at it online too, but from your post I learnt that the deck has indigo edges. OMG, I'm afraid the indigo won't stay long on the edges but will color your hands pretty soon!

Hmm... the borders are big, particularly at the foot with the titles in black, and the font they used is very ordinary (they could have chosen a font which fits better with the deck).

I was suprised by the Tower card (below); is that the card which means destruction? I'm shocked, it looks like a gentle hut for children.

What to add: save your money!!

 

Edited October 23, 2021 by Decan

[midrena]

28 minutes ago, Decan said:

I looked at the Blood Moon online. That's fine that you said that "the borders are a turn off" because it's indeed something I noticed myself. The feel will be likely very artificial and otherwise I'm a bit afraid that for this one they ruined the traditional symbolism, it looks a fancy deck very commercial.

 

And the Botan Tarot! I looked at that online too, but from your post I learnt that the deck has indigo edges. OMG, I'm afraid the indigo won't stay long on the edges but will color your hands pretty soon!

Hmm... the borders are big, particularly at the foot with the title in black, and the font they use is very ordinary (they could have chosen a font which fits better with the deck).

I was suprised by the Tower card (below); is that the card which mean destruction? I'm shocked, it looks a gentle hut for children.

What to add: save your money!!

 

 

Ahhh you're always right, @Decan . I've read every page of this thread and you're always spot-on. 🙂  And yeah, I noticed how huge the borders on the Botan Tarot look whenever I see it placed next to cards from other decks! I also had to grin when you mentioned the font -- it's one of the things I don't like, and I had forgotten to mention it!

 

The Tower ... apparently (I don't know for sure, I only listened to some random person on youtube) the structure is a watchtower or something that was for guarding the horrible internment camps for Japanese Americans back in World War 2 (or so the youtuber says the zine mentions). But yeah ... I mean, if I have to read a separate zine to be able to figure out what is going on in the cards or to realize that the art is not saying what it seems to be saying, then the cards aren't really expressing themselves very well.

 

Also, hah, "fancy deck very commercial" .... true. I must say, SO MANY indie decks seem to just be artsy cash grabs. Not that I'm accusing any specific tarot creator of anything. (And of course if one wants to have a deck for just the art just to have it as a mini gallery then by all means if one can afford it and the decks make ya happy.)  But someone said something earlier in the thread that I really resonated with (I think it might have even been you, @Decan hehe), that so many tarot / oracle decks are just flashy and artsy with no substance, no wisdom, no deep thoughts. Basically cold empty shells that look pretty. 

 

... Thanks @Decan,   I've calmed down with the buying urge. 😄

Edited October 23, 2021 by midrena

[Rupicapra]

Thanks all for the de-enabling! I fee fine having let the deck go past, as mentioned by @midrena, they're all sold out already anyway. That weird pricing might have actually put me off for-ever, especially after finding out that the deck originally cost less than a third, thank you @Decan! You are right @Raggydoll, far too much for an occasional mood deck, it might be the onset of darkness messing with my brain! Or having seen the "Lady in Black" in the theatre a few days ago! @DanielJUK - you are absolutely right, I'll make my own Gothic - gas is too expensive to heat, I turn on the stove and light them candles 😆 

 

From looking at the Botan-deck @midrena, the Majors frustrate me a bit: about half of the cards are close-ups of beautiful women which tell me... nothing I'm afraid. Well, there Hermit has a IX on the back of the coat which makes it easier, but the others.... hmmm.... And I think the artist ran out of ideas illustrating the minors of the Cups: 7 a snake, 8 a dragon, 10 a dragon and a fish - I have to admit I may not understand the background if it is cultural, but as you say, it has a very unfinished look to it. 

[katrinka]

8 hours ago, midrena said:

The Tower ... apparently (I don't know for sure, I only listened to some random person on youtube) the structure is a watchtower or something that was for guarding the horrible internment camps for Japanese Americans back in World War 2 (or so the youtuber says the zine mentions).

If that's what it is, it certainly IS negative, but not in the sense that the Tower should be. The people falling out of the Tower in the more standard decks may well have been despots - or not. It's not made clear in the card. What's made clear is that the Tower is being destroyed.

This one isn't. It's got flowers spilling out of the windows, there's no razor wire or any indication that it's being used to keep people imprisoned. Maybe that's the point: the people have been released and it's been abandoned. But then shouldn't it look rotting and rickety? 

It really does look like what Decan called it: a gentle hut for children. Kind of like a treehouse.
 

8 hours ago, midrena said:

I mean, if I have to read a separate zine to be able to figure out what is going on in the cards or to realize that the art is not saying what it seems to be saying, then the cards aren't really expressing themselves very well.

 

True. And I'm NOT saying we shouldn't read up on things. But the art needs to communicate. We might read a book to get perspectives on the meanings or correspondences. But we shouldn't need a book or a zine to tell us what an image is.
 

8 hours ago, midrena said:

I must say, SO MANY indie decks seem to just be artsy cash grabs.

 

Yep.

 

8 hours ago, Rupicapra said:

the Majors frustrate me a bit: about half of the cards are close-ups of beautiful women which tell me... nothing I'm afraid.

 

Yeah, I don't get the point of that.
If someone just wants cards with pretty girls on them, they can get a pin-up deck much cheaper than a Tarot.

https://playingcarddecks.com/products/pin-up-deck-bicycle-playing-cards-poker-size-uspcc-limited-edition-sealed-sexy?_pos=11&_sid=e612d2db6&_ss=r&variant=28120140363