This is the DE-ENABLE thread concerning buying and reading of tarot.

[Nemia]

On 9/28/2023 at 1:31 PM, FindYourSovereignty said:

I did mention all of the negatives I’ve experienced, I just didn’t do it with the panache that you and others are so good at! 😝

 

Here let me try it again…

 

The deck comes in a cheesy cloth bag, not even a tuck box to protect the extremely slippery cards - they slide all over the place. For a photographic deck about water, the satin matte finish makes some of the enhanced image colors look unnatural.. The minors are miserable to read because you not only are trying to read the card, but first you have to decode the suit they represent because they have all been changed. I think Lisa describes the deck fairly accurately although she can make any deck look good even when it isn’t - I’ve been there done that. The cards are definitely more slippery than she describes - by far one of the slipperiest decks I own. It does not have any traditional RWS imagery to assist with intuitive readings or symbols beyond just a very few, like a rainbow in the 10C. It is definitely not a deck for a beginner and even an advanced reader will be challenged to have water representing ALL the suit elements. I realize none of these comments necessarily de-enable you, but I am trying to highlight and enhance what are certainly negatives. It does focus specifically on flowing, even in the guidebook, which has more questions instead of keywords . It is a BIG emotional, feeling and thinking deck, which limits its usefulness on getting answers and could take hours to really understand the message. And of course, the deck is costly all by itself. Include the outrageous shipping and that makes it an astronomically expensive tarot deck, with a narrow focus. 
 

 

Definitely enabled, more than ever 😉 

[Eugenie]

12 minutes ago, Nemia said:

 

Definitely enabled, more than ever 😉 

 
A newbie's opinion: looks like a collection of beautiful (but rather common) photos with almost-randomly added titles. 

I have nice photos from my summer vacation. Want me to share some with you for free? I can do 78! 

Gosh, I can even throw in a Squirrel Card for you, lots of squirrels there! 

[Nemia]

On 11/11/2023 at 2:28 PM, Eugenie said:

 
A newbie's opinion: looks like a collection of beautiful (but rather common) photos with almost-randomly added titles. 

I have nice photos from my summer vacation. Want me to share some with you for free? I can do 78! 

Gosh, I can even throw in a Squirrel Card for you, lots of squirrels there! 

 

Why the snark? These photos are not random. 

 

It's not a beginner's deck though. It would work as an oracle for a beginner, too. 

 

De-enabling is one thing, disrespect for deck creators is not okay in my book. 

 

 

Edited much later:

 

That came out much more sharply than I intended, and I'm sorry. 

Edited June 13 by Nemia

[Eugenie]

7 minutes ago, Nemia said:

 

Why the snark? These photos are not random. 

 

It's not a beginner's deck though. It would work as an oracle for a beginner, too. 

 

De-enabling is one thing, disrespect for deck creators is not okay in my book. 

Oh, I am sorry. I thought I was echoing what one of the previous commentators had said but with a generous proposal added. I do apologize, didn't mean to sound offensive. 

[FindYourSovereignty]

4 hours ago, Eugenie said:

I adore the fact that you - we - have this thread! It is terrific! 

As I live far away from the places where you can easily buy a nice authentic deck, I have to order everything (usually from the US). The problem is that it takes WEEKS for packages to arrive, so I pay and then wait and wait and my urge is still there until the items are here.

Right now, as I am waiting for three decks (a Centennial RWS in a tin, a Marseilles-Waite by Iger and an Antique Tarot of Bologna by LoS) to arrive, I keep reading about cards and of course I feel like buying more. A Madenie deck from Tarot Heritage as a reference TdM deck with nice kindly faces! La Corte dei Tarocchi because it is so beautiful! Tarocchi Fine dalla Torre because it is so old and historical and with lovely colors and beautiful faces and why not have more! 

Please someone do tell me that I will have enough with what I have ordered (and I own a Spacious Tarot) and as for the others, I can peer at them on the Internet, right? Thank you!

 

1 hour ago, Eugenie said:

@DanielJUK thank you, this is immensely helpful! I will be coming back to re-read your response when I have the urge to splurge on more decks while having not received the previous ones. 

Digital decks sound interesting, I might check them. Although I really try to reduce my screen time, so maybe I should read or draw instead... anything, really, but not buying cards!  

 

You will have more than enough with the decks you have.
 

I encourage you to 🛑 peering which will definitely curb the urge to buy and it will also reduce your screen time. Seriously, we buy new decks because we see them not because we need them. The grass is not greener on the other side of the fence.

Having only the decks you need means that you will ultimately have a greater connection with the ones you do have. There is an inundation of decks out there that mostly emulate Tdm, RWS or Thoth in some way. You get to choose: waste all of your precious time looking for the perfect deck creating dissatisfaction and unwarranted cravings or you can really enjoy your life reading, drawing, and creating beautiful relationships with the world around you.  
 

And, on a more practical note, if your location requires waiting, than when does the cycle ever end? What happens when that deck you thought you had to have arrives and you hate it? You cannot create a craving if you simply don’t open the door for one to start. 

[Eugenie]

6 minutes ago, FindYourSovereignty said:

 

 

You will have more than enough with the decks you have.
 

I encourage you to 🛑 peering which will definitely curb the urge to buy and it will also reduce your screen time. Seriously, we buy new decks because we see them not because we need them. The grass is not greener on the other side of the fence.

Having only the decks you need means that you will ultimately have a greater connection with the ones you do have. There is an inundation of decks out there that mostly emulate Tdm, RWS or Thoth in some way. You get to choose: waste all of your precious time looking for the perfect deck creating dissatisfaction and unwarranted cravings or you can really enjoy your life reading, drawing, and creating beautiful relationships with the world around you.  
 

And, on a more practical note, if your location requires waiting, than when does the cycle ever end? What happens when that deck you thought you had to have arrives and you hate it? You cannot create a craving if you simply don’t open the door for one to start. 

 
Kristine, thank you! This was immensely helpful.

It is true, if I keep buying the decks without waiting for the previous ones to arrive, the cycle can be endless. And I do spend too much time at the computer already. The times are stressful; I keep talking to friends and relatives in war-affected countries and keep browsing... need to cut it, definitely. Not talking, but the obsessive window-shopping and then buying something now and then.  Decks are not an essential things, especially as I have bought several and only need to wait. 

 

[gregory]

1 hour ago, Nemia said:

 

Why the snark? These photos are not random. 

 

It's not a beginner's deck though. It would work as an oracle for a beginner, too. 

 

De-enabling is one thing, disrespect for deck creators is not okay in my book. 

 

Huh ? This is the de-enabling thread. I've seen actual creators diss their decks more harshly than that.... And - to be honest, I looked at this deck when i was first mentioned in this thread, and the photos did look a bit random. Clearly they weren't random to the creator, but that comment was well within the norm for de-enabling, to me. It isn't a deck I'd buy - because the photos say nothing to me.

[Natural Mystic Guide]

9 hours ago, FindYourSovereignty said:

As I live far away from the places where you can easily buy a nice authentic deck, I have to order everything (usually from the US). The problem is that it takes WEEKS for packages to arrive, so I pay and then wait and wait and my urge is still there until the items are here.

I can totally relate.  I'm in Indonesia (Bali).  I have found it unreliable to order and wait.  I spoke with a metaphysical store here.  They have stopped carrying Tarot cards because they have hundreds of decks that they ordered that have disappeared in customs.  Some Muslim governments, in their great wisdom, are very serious about helping us to have moral and upstanding lives.  Sometimes, if something is deemed immoral, or witchy, it can be intercepted and not allowed in.  So I wait for friends who are visiting who are willing to mule in new decks for me.

[Misterei]

14 hours ago, Eugenie said:

As I live far away from the places where you can easily buy a nice authentic deck, I have to order everything (usually from the US). The problem is that it takes WEEKS for packages to arrive, so I pay and then wait and wait and my urge is still there until the items are here.

LOL I'm in the USA but I've waited weeks for decks to arrive from Italy, Bulgaria, Czec, and UK ...

 

@Eugenie said
<<Right now, as I am waiting for three decks (a Centennial RWS in a tin, a Marseilles-Waite by Iger and an Antique Tarot of Bologna by LoS) to arrive, I keep reading about cards and of course I feel like buying more. A Madenie deck from Tarot Heritage as a reference TdM deck with nice kindly faces! La Corte dei Tarocchi because it is so beautiful! Tarocchi Fine dalla Torre because it is so old and historical and with lovely colors and beautiful faces and why not have more! ... Please someone do tell me that I will have enough with what I have ordered ...>>

 

OK. STOP NOW!!!!

You have made wise choices with RWS in a tin and Marseilles-Waite by Iger [not sure about Lo Scrabeo Bologna deck. I don't know it]

As a beginner ... it's best to learn RWS and Tarocchi or TdM really really deeply.

Too many decks distracts from the learning process. I can close my eyes and see every card of RWS in detail. I mean that type of deep learning.

 

You mention two of my favorite decks:

La Corte dei Tarocchi and Tarocchi Fine dalla Torre

These are classic decks you will never be disappointed. If you keep buying ... buy those but NOTHING ELSE [except Eduord Dotti reprint by Valenza. Good price and reads well]

You will find other decks don't measure up. You have an eye for the best decks and most aren't that good.
 

There. I hope this DE enabled you at least a little bit.

[Eugenie]

@Natural Mystic Guide, thank you for sharing this experience. So, my situation is not unique. I totally agree with you on some too zealous people, we have the likes of those here, too... I haven't heard of decks disappearing but some intimate goods can be seized which I find absurd.

I guess learning patience is not a bad thing for me, so for now I will wait for what I have ordered, and I will keep an eye on friends who travel. I am not thrilled with postage costs from Europe and don't want to splurge that much on a hobby, I don't know yet if Tarot reading (as opposed to buying) will grow on me. 

 

@Misterei, thank you for your great advice! You know, this is a very useful thread, I have been seriously de-enabled and will stick to my Spacious Tarot for the time being. Then will switch to the RWS to learn. I love your Edoardo Dotti deck, your photos of those cards are ravishing (much better than those in the shop), and the offer at the Deviant Moon is very enticing. However, I don't feel the urge to purchase it which is just as well. 

[DanielJUK]

@Eugenie you might find these threads a helpful read.....

 

 

[Eugenie]

@DanielJUK thank you very much! Yes, I can see they are very useful threads... will ask questions there... 

[Eugenie]

I just wanted to thank everyone for properly de-enabling me from binge browsing in searching for more decks to want, you all have helped immensely. I guess many people here "been there, done that". I am presently very content to work with my single deck while waiting for the others to arrive and almost completely (lol) stopped any window shopping for Tarot. 

[Eugenie]

I am ashamed to confess that I keep thinking of buying the Keymaster Tarot, but mainly for the minors. I love the House of Rising Spade deck it is based on, and I am sort of thinking, what if I buy the deck and just put the majors away and use the remaining cards for divination and to stare at. However, I can feel myself that this is a silly idea, probably coming from being stressed, underslept, etc. as I am behind my reading plans, drawing and card reading plans as well, and I really should be doing other things, not the card shopping (which takes a lot of time and energy). I am trying to put this into a perspective saying to myself that I should not be paying 40-50 dollars for more pieces of cardboard where I don't even like all of the cards. And in any case Stockholm17 will be releasing more playing cards and I will be able to buy a playing card deck from the creator if I want one so much. Can you please help me with these de-enabling workings? I was so proud of myself for NOT buying decks, and now this again... 

Edited December 25, 2023 by Eugenie

[PathWalker]

Had a quick look through and it reminds me of a cross between the Aquarian and the Servants of the Light Tarots.

And you're right, if you don't want to use the majors then it would be a major waste of money and a 78 card card deck. Just hold on until the playing card deck arrives, get what you really want, and have a pat on the back.

In the meantime, play with something else you DO like 

[Eugenie]

@PathWalker, thank you very much! That was some proper de-enabling! 

[Eugenie]

On 12/25/2023 at 3:51 PM, PathWalker said:

Had a quick look through and it reminds me of a cross between the Aquarian and the Servants of the Light Tarots.

And you're right, if you don't want to use the majors then it would be a major waste of money and a 78 card card deck. Just hold on until the playing card deck arrives, get what you really want, and have a pat on the back.

In the meantime, play with something else you DO like 

I am so glad I haven't bought anything because I just bought that very playing deck on Ebay at a fair price and I am very happy about it! If nothing else, I will be able to resell or swap it, but I hope to learn to read playing cards. Thank you again!

[Misterei]

On 12/24/2023 at 11:38 PM, Eugenie said:

I am ashamed to confess that I keep thinking of buying the Keymaster Tarot, but mainly for the minors. ...

OK ... I know this is the DE enable thread ... but I ADORE the Tarot deck and it reads great for me.

My avatar for this forum is Keymaster HP card.

On the down side: thin card stock, stupid LWB that's trash and nonsense.

On the up side: Reads great. I feel like I'm in the book Dune every time i use it [I'n a sci fi fan so this is a big deal to me]. I love the Majors. I love the hybrid with a playing card deck that subtly pays homage to TdM.

Well ... I've failed at the DE enable thing ... the only thing I can say is that it was affordabable for me b/c shipping costs were low.

I wrote a review on this forum.

Edited December 29, 2023 by Misterei

[Eugenie]

7 hours ago, Misterei said:

OK ... I know this is the DE enable thread ... but I ADORE the Tarot deck and it reads great for me.

My avatar for this forum is Keymaster HP card.

On the down side: thin card stock, stupid LWB that's trash and nonsense.

On the up side: Reads great. I feel like I'm in the book Dune every time i use it [I'n a sci fi fan so this is a big deal to me]. I love the Majors. I love the hybrid with a playing card deck that subtly pays homage to TdM.

Well ... I've failed at the DE enable thing ... the only thing I can say is that it was affordabable for me b/c shipping costs were low.

I wrote a review on this forum.

 

Thank you, Misterei! I know that your avatar is the Keymaster HP and I love looking at it. When I see it, I involuntarily imagine it is you with a laptop posting something on the forum!
I have read your review, of course, and I kept looking at all the cards thinking if they will sit well with me. I know you are using the deck quite a lot, as I searched the forum and saw all those messages with it. I would have been happy to love whole of the deck, but unfortunately, there are too many Majors in it that I clearly don't love. The Emperor, the Hierophant, the Chariot, the Hermit, the Wheel of Fortune, the Hanged Man, the Devil, the Sun and the Judgement are way too many. Some of them I mildly dislike and some clearly irritate me. So sad! I also don't love the colors on the Majors in general, they are different from the Minors - I understand why that may be so, but still I don't like them. 
However, maybe it will grow on me after a while and I will buy it - we'll see. 

Edited December 30, 2023 by Eugenie

[Misterei]

40 minutes ago, Eugenie said:

... unfortunately, there are too many Majors in it that I clearly don't love. ... I also don't love the colors on the Majors in general ...

Chacun à son goût 😇

I often see decks that people RAVE how much they love them ... and I'm thinking [to myself] "Ugh! It's hideous!"

Funny how our reactions to color and design can be so different. Keymaster hits a note for me misses that note for you.

And yes ... the HP card is EXACTLY what I look like with my laptop posting on the forum.

I even have the hat ... although I don't normally wear that hat indoors and it has yak wool on top instead of a tassel };>

[Laura Borealis]

Please please de-enable me on the Metanoia Marseille. I'm begging you. I've been obsessed with it for a couple weeks now. Usually watching a couple of flip-throughs will convince me I don't need something, but in this case it's just making me want it more. The color palette is lovely. There are subtle, almost transparent swirls that suggest plant life on the Death card (gosh I love it so much).  Some of the pips have radishes! It's all very botanical.

 

I don't need another pip deck! I already have several I rarely use. But it's so pretty. 😭

 

Creator's Etsy: https://www.etsy.com/shop/BouchetteDesign

[gregory]

Never heard of it - does that help.

 

Also I just looked now you mention it, and I SO don''t care. I mean like, yes, it's PRETTY - but as you say it's another pip deck. Download the image of Death you like so much and buy radishes. (I wouldn't get it anyway - coming from the US almost doubles the price on the spot. (OK, raises it by more than 50%. Must be HONEST here.) Pretend you live in the UK and think if you want it enough for that.)

[Laura Borealis]

That DOES help a bit! And the thing I keep thinking is, I'd probably use it a few times and then put it aside and never look at it again. Like so many decks. Or I'd get it and be disappointed immediately. That has happened all too many times. But the radishes are still calling me.

 

I think I'll put the desire for this deck in a sort of time-out. Take it off my wishlist, un-favorite it on Etsy, and just stop looking at it in general. If I still want it by the time my birthday rolls around (a couple months) then maybe I'll get it. But I bet I'll have forgotten about it.

 

Meanwhile I'll add radishes to my grocery list. 😸

Edited June 13 by Laura Borealis

[Misterei]

2 hours ago, Laura Borealis said:

I don't need another pip deck! I already have several I rarely use. But it's so pretty. 😭

I don't care for the Hanged Man card at all. Generally it feels anachronistic. Are we Victorian? Edwardian? Renaissance? What?

The clothing is a dealbreaker for me.

OTOH I *do* quite like the floral Pips.

Get the mini version if you can't stop yourself? It's cheaper

Or just give it a pass before the Historical Fashion Police confiscate it.

[Natural Mystic Guide]

5 hours ago, Laura Borealis said:

But it's so pretty.

Sorry.  I cannot de-enable you as your post as further enabled me.  Ultimately I shall buy a  Marseille deck.  I have been casually shopping.  The Metanoia Marseille is the only deck that has made it on to my wish list thus far.  For me, it's all about aesthetics.  Your post prompted me to go ahead and view another walk through.  It's really pretty.  I don't mind the dorky costumes on the human figures.  They are, at least, consistently dorky.  Contemporary gets dated.  These are more artsy than old style.  So I'm good.  I'm still shopping though.  Let us know how you decide @Laura Borealis